EPTaLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 8
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PaNiCterrran
Sweden47 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:20 IMABUNNEH wrote: I see it this way: Twice has Coach Lee brought up this kind of drama and "considered legal action". Twice the opposing party have basically come out and said half of what he's saying is rubbish, and it wasn't that way at all. Two different teams, but Coach Lee each time. I would say the problem likely lies with Coach Lee. You forgot the part where twice, the opposing party has actually been much further from the truth than Coach Lee's statement. | ||
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Melchior
United States112 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:24 Shiori wrote: Alive is a nice guy, but I'm really getting sick of these foreign teams thinking that just because they have money they can somehow void contracts or pretend they don't exist. Alive was, as it seems, manipulated by promises from a company that knew full-well it was going to breach a contract. This is precisely why we need some sort of eSports governing body: so that these sorts of things can be centralized in one place, and so everyone knows who is contracted and for how long. Then, when a team like Fnatic starts doing this sort of thing, they can be reprimanded by said official organization. There's absolutely nothing wrong with exercising the exit clause of a contract (which any contract worth its salt should have). aLive pays the early-termination fee, breaks the contract, and then he's perfectly free to join any team he wants. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with any organization approaching someone and saying "Hey, if you're ever thinking about a change of scenery, give us a call". aLive states in his interview that he was already planning on leaving before Fnatic contacted him, Coach Lee just wishes he could stop his players from leaving. There's absolutely no way TSL would have the money to enforce a non-compete agreement in the contract, either. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Seems like he found out and assuemd the worst from the start to me.. It doesn't seem lllogical to talk to a new team before leaving your former.. On the other hand both fnatic and coach lee made stuff official way too quick and now aLive is taking responsibillity for that.. | ||
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:32 Louis8k8 wrote: NOO aLive! o why and how did this happen  Now teamless too. How come? Fnatic doesn't want him anymore? How about reading the full article?? | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
Wonder what will happen to TSL after this.. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:32 Melchior wrote: There's absolutely nothing wrong with exercising the exit clause of a contract (which any contract worth its salt should have). aLive pays the early-termination fee, breaks the contract, and then he's perfectly free to join any team he wants. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with any organization approaching someone and saying "Hey, if you're ever thinking about a change of scenery, give us a call". aLive states in his interview that he was already planning on leaving before Fnatic contacted him, Coach Lee just wishes he could stop his players from leaving. There's absolutely no way TSL would have the money to enforce a non-compete agreement in the contract, either. Except this isn't what happened. I'm not sure why everyone seems to believe the back-pedaling of large organizations after the fact. These kind of accidents happen on far too regular of a basis to be considered truly accidental. Fnatic most likely knew about Alive's contract and decided it didn't matter; that, or they don't know how contracts work (or at least the person contacting Alive didn't). Here's why: paying the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. At the very least, stating that you intend to pay the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. From here, it turns into two scenarios: 1) Fnatic is not actually respectful of contracts (worst case scenario) 2) Fnatic has a low standard of professionalism/a lack of protocol (best case) Take your pick. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Melchior
United States112 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:36 Shiori wrote: Except this isn't what happened. I'm not sure why everyone seems to believe the back-pedaling of large organizations after the fact. These kind of accidents happen on far too regular of a basis to be considered truly accidental. Fnatic most likely knew about Alive's contract and decided it didn't matter; that, or they don't know how contracts work (or at least the person contacting Alive didn't). Here's why: paying the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. At the very least, stating that you intend to pay the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. Show me where Fnatic has announced they're signing aLive. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:38 Melchior wrote: Show me where Fnatic has announced they're signing aLive. Are you joking? | ||
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pseudocalm
Canada98 Posts
How many deserting players does it take before the community realizes something fishy and stupid is going on behind the veil of korean manner within TSL, either with coach Lee directly or the team's contracts? It's obvious that mass numbers of players now have become completely disenfranchised with their situation at the TSL house, and none of them are telling the whole truth of what really transpired even after they leave. The TSL story has the stench of a straight up bully who still strikes enough fear (or "respect" if you STILL buy into official statements made about coach lee) in his ex-players that they would rather glossily manner over the details of their reasons for leaving than come out with the lucid criticisms that one would expect especially considering this pattern has repeated itself over and over. | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
Also, i feel like this could start being a problem for alot of teams in korea. Western teams have (as i understand it) a great deal more money and the koreans probably want a piece of that money thats why they're so willing to leave teams | ||
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Demorase
136 Posts
Alive seems like a nice guy who got stuck with a bad contract and just wanting to get out of there. | ||
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Melchior
United States112 Posts
Not here: http://fnatic.com/players/SC2/ Not here: http://fnatic.com/news/9475/Fnatic-s-stance-on-aLive-amp-TSL.html The only source for Fnatic's alleged signing of aLive I've been able to find is Coach Lee's own statement. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:36 Shiori wrote: Except this isn't what happened. I'm not sure why everyone seems to believe the back-pedaling of large organizations after the fact. These kind of accidents happen on far too regular of a basis to be considered truly accidental. Fnatic most likely knew about Alive's contract and decided it didn't matter; that, or they don't know how contracts work (or at least the person contacting Alive didn't). Here's why: paying the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. At the very least, stating that you intend to pay the exit fee happens before you announce you're signing someone. From here, it turns into two scenarios: 1) Fnatic is not actually respectful of contracts (worst case scenario) 2) Fnatic has a low standard of professionalism/a lack of protocol (best case) Take your pick. fnatic hasnt signed him though, and has made no announcement to that fact. for someone getting so angry about the situation you could of atleast read the posts about the situation. coach is essentially pissed off because 2 friends, one of them Alive, one of them who happens to have a part time job translating for fnatic discussed Alives options, given that both he and coach lee KNEW alive wanted to look for a new team. | ||
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
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careohx
263 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:27 Chill wrote: Talking to a contracted person isn't against a contract. Making plans for when your contract expires isn't against a contract. Of course not, but Teams like fanatic should start thinking what they are doing with those actions. They are killing the worth of player contracts. This is so short-sighted by fnatic, who seem to don't expect that any other team may do the same to them. If contracts aren't worth anything anymore, where is the solid basement that teams are supposed to plan their lineup upon? We have several Team leagues starting in the near future. How can teams plan a strategy if they don't know if their star player will be with them until the next match? This whole thing is really killing stability of esports as a team based sport. And fanatic are the ones to blame here at first. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:08 FallDownMarigold wrote: So basically the only issue I see is the issue where Alive jumped the gun a bit. He should have waited till he "bought out" his TSL contract (or waited until it expired in July), and only then should he have made an official decision with Fnatic. Not much to see here, is there? To the people commenting about stealing info on computers...give me a break. If you are using a computer that is owned by your company (or your SC2 team), you accept the fact that data stored there does not belong to you, nor are your skype convos protected in any way. They're private if they're conducted on your own personal comp, which clearly isn't the case here. Do you guys seriously think the coach went off to Alives house, Matt Damon style, and hax'd into his computer for tehSkype_files? Yes you are right but is it included in the player contract that Coach Lee can invade Alive's privacy on the computer that he had his skype conversation? Also please don't forget that Korean progamer houses function both as a workplace and a home. | ||
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Shiori
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