EPTSCCL Playoffs - Page 19
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:02 dev wrote: A. sea and ogaming were talks of joining the team 1 month before sccl started. B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none. C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members. D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off. Well I'm done arguing with you, not only do you seem completely retarded, your lack of understandance undermines any useful discussing. Telling me to fuck off out of the blue doesn't help buddy. | ||
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TheBlackJack
57 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:14 HungZerg wrote: this means as much as freezer saying you guys had the most different players play for you than any other team. thats because you used 2 koreans minimum in each of the first 5 cw's or w/e getting you a big lead, then with that lead you severely dropped off, losing to several teams because you stopped using the koreans to make it seem like the team wasnt reliant on them (when it fact it just didnt really matter if you won or not). now the first oG match that really matters in quite a while and 3 koreans play, suprise suprise. Actually I was addressing the issue of me having to 'sit on the sideline and watch koreans play.' Not whatever it is you are talking about. Too tired to understand it anyway  | ||
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Mr.Testie
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
This league is just a chance for your non-Korean players to show what they're worth, and they would definitely love to play in it. But instead, a bunch of Korean players they hardly know play every week. That's the point I was getting at. | ||
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YsL_hr
Croatia6 Posts
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:17 HungZerg wrote: the point is in any real aspect of a team they arent members. very small odds theyve played more than a few friendly games with you, jang's actions in sccl show how much respect they have for non koreans. they come on only for cw's, nothing else. they are not og members, they are mercs. you are dillusional if you really believe otherwise. i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right? | ||
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HumbleZealot
Canada508 Posts
On February 28 2006 16:37 HungZerg wrote: any team with 2-3 good tvz's has a strong chance vs ToT And that is exactly what oG) has, 3 very skilled Semi-pro koreans with skilled TvZ's. Which thay always stack their line-up's with when they play ToT) or other challenging clans. oG)'s non-korean gamers are almost all pieces of junk compared to what ToT) has. Testie, Mondi, SEn, TreK, rEVOLEr, XaiOzI, DaZe, Twisted and so on. That is probably one of the very best non-korean line-up's a team could have. oG) has some skill in Bj, pride, paul, and zergraptor but after those there really isn't a great deal of top talent on that team. Not the kind ToT) has. It is clear without their koreans oG) would not stand a chance vs. a lot of the clans they have been able to beat and that is why almost everyone has been flaming them for recruiting Sea. members. | ||
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Sadist
United States7084 Posts
Problem is not that they are koreans so much as. The sea. koreans are fags for the most part. They really dont like nonkoreans - white people. Smurfing as "WhitePig" only further proves as evidence for this | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 28 2006 18:23 Sadist wrote: Problem is not that they are koreans so much as. The sea. koreans are fags for the most part. They really dont like nonkoreans - white people. Smurfing as "WhitePig" only further proves as evidence for this Lol, I like the WhitePig smurf ;D His profile said something like 'A White Pig'. Damn art  | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On February 28 2006 10:30 IcedEarth wrote: I think all of you should read this, whether you agree with it or not: http://www.ogaming.org/zboard.php?id=oGaming&no=26 It's Funny to see that you call everyone (in oG) wesite) "Korean-Haters". | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
"An admin from WGT posted in a recent WGT news : “As usual, oGaming employed a team consisting of several Sea. Member” The “several” I can understand but the “usual” is a bit off track." oG used 16 Korean members out of 36 possible 1v1 matches and 9 Koreans out of 18 for 2v2 matches. The first 5 matches was 13/20 and 8/10 (went 4-1). The last 4 matches was 3/16 and 1/8 (went 2-2). (Wins vs 3D/RSgaming, Losses vs MgZ/eSa) | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
On February 28 2006 19:14 FunKiE wrote: It's Funny to see that you call everyone (in oG) wesite) "Korean-Haters". I was also confused/pissed at the time. Now I'm just mildly depressed about the whole matter. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
oG) is a fine team for the most part. They are not so skilled but more a nice family with a couple talented gamers. Breakdown, BJ, Bounce, Dragon, and others seem very close and it's an ok team & I got along fine with most oG) as they were very nice. They never claimed to be the best. Though they (Freezer and a few others) did defend their Sea. members when we always teased them about, "why is this oG) isn't this vs Sea.?" No offense Freezer, but let's face it. It is not like oG) members practice with Sea. members on a regular basis and that's evident due to the vast difference in skill. The sole blame is upon the management, and Sea. Sea. was one of the only clans in ToT) vs koreans that really got on our nerves remember. And to be quite honest there may be another possible solution that may be worse for oG) and humbling for oG). Yet it will also give the rest of their team who had nothing to do with this a chance. I'm conflicted as to whether we should punish the entire team for a mistake on management and their korean counterparts. This is out of pure generosity to oG). Your korean members have shown a complete disregard for the rules. Your management has been a bit on the shady side as well. Personally, in hindsight perhaps I think a lot of people are being too rough on them. However, should we be rough on them because of what they have done or to partially discourage future teams from using shady characters in their clan wars? I say oG) should have their sea. members banned, and be forced to play the rest of this season, and the next without Sea. This would do two things. 1. Punish the Sea. members without fully punishing the rest of their team. From our own experiences with Sea. they have shown no respect, or shown any attempt to be friendly, or shown a high regard for the rules. Account sharing is not something semi-professional koreans are at all unfamiliar with. They know better. 2. It would perhaps humble oG)'s management and give the rest of their team a chance to be forgiven and not be targets for flame. They are right. Zia nor BlackJack, or most of their members deserve no flame for this. Show better character than those you condemn I say. And hopefully allow it to catch on and spread. If it doesn't, it was worth the effort and worth the try. And Dev, it was a nice dodge. But i'll take the bait & humiliate in process as you seem to need some humility. Who do you think you're talking to when you say I, or we can't get koreans to join ToT)? We are just very confident in our own members abilities and would be disgraced if we had a professional gamer team lineup representing us. We prefer to get by on our own merits and i'm quite sure that if koreans had their choice of practice partners from any team, they'd choose ToT) & MyM. As they seem to be the ones doing the best in tournaments. Ever since they were created it's been mostly ToT) & MyM. bringing down big tournaments or showmatches. Including invites to Blizzcon and WWI. 3 of the 8 invites were ToT) members. Edit: I hope I get some feedback on the topic of punishment mostly here. That's what is most interesting to discuss. I personally like my idea. But perhaps it should be stronger? Discuss. Dear Testie, Write shorter posts, Regards, Team STFU. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
I am torn on further punishment. One part of me feels an example needs to be set and a lesson learned. The lesson should be that "teams must be responsible for their members actions." I believe Mondragon received a 1 Playday ban for some of his players comments but thats irrelevant. Since this happened a second time, removal for the rest of the playoffs plus next season. If an example isn't set, this could set some type of precedent and who knows what a team will pull next, either by accident or intentionally. On the other hand, this is only one member who did it and penalizing the whole team is a bit extreme. This is a really tough call to make but I believe Lonic will make the right decision in this case. | ||
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TheBlackJack
57 Posts
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
If you are going to let untrustworthy people into your team, or people you do not even know who have made a mistake and not punish them yourself the first time around... stating explicitly it may not happen again. Remember, with my punishment we are being forgiving and giving freezer the benefit of the doubt. Not something everyone would do. Because it's easy to say it's a facade & something to save face. But I genuinely believe it, to an extent. I believe one of the times the management was fully aware the first time? We have not even checked their other clan wars to see if there are more incidents. We could though..? Negative points is not enough of a punishment & a bad one imo. But a ban from both seasons may be too much. And a ban from the playoffs somewhat ruins what we have in place. Banning Sea. is a beautiful solution. Their other gamers are not quite innocent puppy dogs. Koreans know when other koreans are sharing accounts. You do not just stumble upon your friends passwords all the time The rest of Sea. was very likely not ignorant of the fact but just didn't give a damn. Sea.Man their leader / co-ordinator is one of the most dispicable people i've met on west. Perhaps if they bring in mercs again, they should bring in ones of better repute, get to know them first and make them fully aware of the rules. Stating explicitly that they will not be allowed to let anyone else use their name and so forth. I think my other ToT) members may disagree and think i'm too lenient. & yeah, that's what i'm worried about. Setting a precedent. But, perhaps we should let them off the hook with my idea. It humiliates them, yet lets them play with their remaining players who are very likely eager to play. Next time state explicitly that the next time this happens in SCCL, there will be no warnings and this was out of the confusion of this situation. The next team that has, "confusion" will be tossed out on its ass. As for the precedent if some team says, "well oG) did it! & Our situation is even more confusing!!" we simply tell them to grow the fuck up, they aren't 4 & they should have a better hold on their members if they want to be in a league like this. If you don't know or trust your members, you'd better re-evaluate your team. We can use the parent argument that still stands today despite any precedents. "Yes, your sister got a dolly for christmas after she fucked up, but you can't get one too because you should have known better." They should have known better anyway but again, i'm lenient. | ||
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