He needs to pause the game every once in a while so that he can re-apply his fixadent on those dentures though. Might get annoying for your future opponents.

Good to see you again grandpa-dinosaur. Ok, for that jab, next time we meet the meal's on me. Sorry for reminding everyone if it was forgotten. =]

Did you guys know that this excellent Manifesto paid for a dinner for us once that ran over $100? Anyone who dislikes him has beef from coming to them from an internet nerd in the middle region of Ontario Canada.

Guybrush

Spain4744 Posts

February 28 2006 15:16 GMT

#383

I just read Real Zaragoza had to pay a large fine due to their supporters throwing racists remarks at Barcelonas Samuel Eto'o in their recent match. How fair is that ? Might not have been more than 5-10 percent of their supporters doing it, perhaps even less, but the whole club has to pay for it. Can be compared to this matter to a certain extent.

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

February 28 2006 17:32 GMT

#384

Yeah nick I think you're being way too lenient. This is a second time offense, which should be punished in a harsh way. I think a ban for this season's playoffs is appropriate.

Examples have to be set, and the management is totally responsible for the actions of their members. That's why mondragon didn't complain at all when he was banned for a playday when our team got punished for the bad manners from strafe. He took responsibility being the leader.

YsL_hr

Croatia6 Posts

February 28 2006 19:47 GMT

#385

MyM, and Esa was maid few days, months before sccl...... I meant that they didn t have competion before that...there were Tot and pG..... and underrated iG... And Esa, Mym pay ppl to play for them....oG didn t do that for koreans...even if they ll share prizes...and i can t see why it would be different from sponsoring mym or Esa... who even don t exist anymore (esa)..... Only thing that's different is that oG) koreans r better then mym sponsored players......

HumbleZealot

Canada508 Posts

February 28 2006 20:13 GMT

#386

Umm, that's kind of questionable, mYm. has gamers like Pj, lx, suncow, raven, blackman, stinger,yan and advokate. Very strong line up there, I wouldn't put it past mYm. to be able to beat oG. Plus eSa. and mYm. were formed a while before ESL SCCL was started, they were not created with SCCL in mind. Even if there was no SCCL, they still would have been made. However, oG had their koreans join up shortly before SCCL began. There is a clear difference there. There is no question here as to what oG's intentions were and now their bad mannered Sea. members are now also disregarding the rules. It is clear oG has to be punished harshly for what has happened. In other words.

SolaR-

United States2685 Posts

February 28 2006 20:26 GMT

#387

i 100% agree with testie banning oG would kinda ruin the event for everyone, banning the sea members is a good idea because oG will not win anyways and will be humiliated. Also their non korean players will have a chance to play

ArCNeON(TE)

Finland134 Posts

February 28 2006 20:33 GMT

#388

On February 28 2006 13:27 dev wrote:
iG. has korenas in their team and i believe one of them is semi pro?
MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea.
does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys.

I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team?
last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team.

ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that.

They aren't whining about oG coz you got koreans, they're whining coz you hired them VERY HIGH LIKELY for one & only one reason, SCCL. I don't have anything against koreans, I like great players in all leagues, otherwise it doesn't give satisfaction of the victory, incase I'd sometime succeed in one

And as I have said before, from a clan leaders view. If you look at the Top foreigner scene and start looking for members to recruit, there's maybe 0-1% you could possibly get anymore. It's frustrating & takes a lot time, oG didn't have this time in my opinnion, to get top players for SCCL. I think it was a good call to get great korean players, I don't see anything wrong in it, infact I think it was really smart & they surely have gained profit from it. Excluding these incidents of course ^^ Koreans are really hard to control and that is one of their downside in a clan.

I read Freezer's post on oG site and if all that is true, although you are responsible for this incident as being a leader, it wasn't your fault. You shouldn't feel bad ;o Just handle it, korean screwed you over & didn't care about your clan. Don't resign. Stay in oG leader if they just let you (they should!) and ban this guy. He obviously doesn't have any moral when it comes to oG). (Unless his brother also knew nothing about this :O(jang)).

There's no point blaming urself imo, everyone makes mistakes :/ Good luck !

ArCNeON(TE)

Finland134 Posts

February 28 2006 20:43 GMT

#389

On February 28 2006 18:04 sMaCkEr wrote:

Show nested quote +

i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right?

iG.Probe played PGTour A+ 2 season in a row before he went to army. Bong as 90% (lol) of whole iG plays with fake ID ladders. We can face our koreans on west everyday and they come time to time on euro to play with us. They've been longer in the clan than prob 70-80% other iG's.
Think a little before you write :/ You most likely dont see any other iG than Gorky playing ladders with iG tag eiher lol ;d And Gorky most likely only does it to gain "respect" from great stats after bashing mass amount noobs

Well it's our gorky ;d

Dinnin[pG]

China70 Posts

February 28 2006 20:45 GMT

#390

http://www.ogaming.org/zboard.php?id=oGaming&no=27

a-game

Canada5214 Posts

February 28 2006 20:53 GMT

#391

amen, indeed

hopefully everyone will get off oG's case now

Elsi

United Kingdom8173 Posts

February 28 2006 20:57 GMT

#392

Keke 90 of the Sea members have been kicked! rofl! Also, he said Jang cheated in a game vs iG! Cheating scum i say!

BinGBonG[gamei]

Netherlands514 Posts

February 28 2006 21:02 GMT

#393

that must be the game ig.byulnamoo vs sea.leta, normally he never lost vs leta o.o

VorteXXX

United States430 Posts

February 28 2006 21:02 GMT

#394

On March 01 2006 05:13 HumbleZealot wrote:
Plus eSa. and mYm. were formed a while before ESL SCCL was started, they were not created with SCCL in mind. Even if there was no SCCL, they still would have been made.

thats not true

Dinnin[pG]

China70 Posts

February 28 2006 21:06 GMT

#395

On March 01 2006 06:02 BinGBonG[gamei] wrote:
that must be the game ig.byulnamoo vs sea.leta, normally he never lost vs leta o.o

Jang played on Leta's account. I compared the replays one by one and I am certain it wasnt Leta, therefore it was a rather easy decision for us to kick them.

Jy was not kicked - Why? He left Sea. a while ago, but he stayed with oG). (Dont know if he rejoined Sea.)

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

February 28 2006 21:24 GMT

#396

Thanks to Freezer for making a mature decision. I'm also expecting everyone to get off oG)'s case here.

The penalty seems just about right.

taDa

575 Posts

February 28 2006 21:38 GMT

#397

On March 01 2006 04:47 YsL_hr wrote:
MyM, and Esa was maid few days, months before sccl...... I meant that they didn t have competion before that...there were Tot and pG..... and underrated iG... And Esa, Mym pay ppl to play for them....oG didn t do that for koreans...even if they ll share prizes...and i can t see why it would be different from sponsoring mym or Esa... who even don t exist anymore (esa)..... Only thing that's different is that oG) koreans r better then mym sponsored players......

Don't spread speculation. SW) and SOL. have been around for a long time bud -- they found the right sponsor hence the name change. It took a while, but they got it done. All these teams could land Koreans, but they chose not to for several good reasons. Real easy to assume.

MgZ)ResT

France60 Posts

February 28 2006 23:01 GMT

#398

yep that was the best choice.
For the SCCL next season a new rule should be made for the korean.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

February 28 2006 23:55 GMT

#399

bravo..a self investigation and than a mature decision to turn in evidence that nobody had known about. They also removed the problematic players from the issue. THAT is how you handle this. Good job Freezer.

I hope we can continue the season with this lesson learned.

nArAnjO

Peru2571 Posts

March 01 2006 00:10 GMT

#400

On February 28 2006 18:04 sMaCkEr wrote:

Show nested quote +

i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right?

Actually, iG.ByulNamoo has played even WGT ladder with iG. tag... and iv'e seen them play numerousssssss a lottt of times vs arcneon kaaz drukentiger and well vs myself when i still cared to become better ^_^, so talking when u have no clue what ur talking about is... well... doh