"It all started with me waking up Monday morning, the day after the match against ToT). I hopped on to Teamliquid.net" , did someone got farther than this?, plz summarize 8/

Mr.Testie

973 Posts

February 28 2006 02:27 GMT

#345

Well put Freezer. I believe it. But this wasn't a first time offense. I think either you should either have the match reversed, or be booted from this league, but allowed to participate in the next league. Seeing as it is obvious you cannot control your korean members though, you should be a little wiser in using them next time.

ToT) knows a lot of koreans too, we haven't even thought about recruiting one yet just because we're that bad ass. And i'm sure MyM. would be the toughest in the league if they had Canata / Iloveoov / Boxer / Kingdom / Gorush... I'm sure PJ, wufan, and LX could say, "hey, want to play on our nobo euro team for fun on sundays if you're not busy?"

There's nothing wrong with inviting koreans if you're previously friends with them and have known them for a long time, but i've seen how koreans can join teams before. I do not think oG) is very close with Sea. at all considering Sea. members are on another level entirely and no offense, wouldn't want to waste their time with regular practice games with a high % of your members.

taDa

575 Posts

February 28 2006 02:34 GMT

#346

As a manager you cannot let such things happen. You have to learn from your mistakes and the oG) Management (i.e. Freezer) didn't. You are the face of your team. It is your job to inform all your teammates about the rules, setup the draws, etc. In either case they should forfeit the season and start anew. -_-;; Any other judgement would be scandalous. You break it to them easy and you will open a wider window for corruption. If the SCCL Admins were smart they would do the right thing.

SW) used to be all about the Koreans as I am sure most of you would remember... heard it all before -- been there done that. I am all for Koreans participating in these leagues, but when you cannot obey the rules let alone break them twice there is no real discussion to be had.

Many teams have great connections to top koreans and there has been interest, but many chose not to use them for their own reasons.

PhilGood2DaY

Germany7424 Posts

February 28 2006 02:38 GMT

#347

the lowest penatly : 3:2 in favor of ToT
the right penatly ( imho ) : ban them from the league for this season and next
the hadrest penalty ( too hard imto ) : ban them forever

dev

Canada93 Posts

February 28 2006 04:09 GMT

#348

strafe, i feel like i felt before this happend which is you deserve a kick in the face.
testie as if you can get any korean's to join your team. and any team would let boxer join their team in a min if they could.

and to your point erlier. Jy could have eazly replaced jang, but jang's brother wanted to play badly which is why he lied about being jang. its unfortunate that ToT) will advance this way.
oh well good on you guys.

[X]Ken_D

United States4650 Posts

February 28 2006 04:15 GMT

#349

lol. It reads as though ToT has done something wrong inorder to advance.

dev

Canada93 Posts

February 28 2006 04:27 GMT

#350

iG. has korenas in their team and i believe one of them is semi pro?
MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea.
does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys.

I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team?
last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team.

ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that.

StYm

Mexico94 Posts

February 28 2006 04:27 GMT

#351

BAN oG) , go another chance for eSa and Play.it , ^^ istead of oG) in looser bracket , gosu solution^^

SolaR-

United States2685 Posts

February 28 2006 04:36 GMT

#352

On February 28 2006 13:27 dev wrote:
iG. has korenas in their team and i believe one of them is semi pro?
MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea.
does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys.

I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team?
last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team.

ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that.

Darkelf is FULL pro and the koreans in iG. have been in the team a very long time, even before they got really gosu (semi/prolevel)

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

February 28 2006 04:42 GMT

#353

lol dev nice way to dodge! but it isnt gonna work. and dont try to make it sound like tot has done something wrong you cheating slut. kiss more ass to let someone else win a tourney for you and be happy and cheery about it. besides i doubt we would let boxer join. whats the point he cant speak english and will only be on when we sleep. hows that for team spirit?

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

February 28 2006 04:56 GMT

#354

Yeah we would definitely not let any Koreans play for this league. We have team spirit and we like to play with what we have. As if SCCL has that big of a prize to offer ;o

And comparing your team with iG and mYm... you're missing the point. Pj and Legendary weren't recruited to win SCCL, they were recruited to form a good foreign team which can compete with anyone. mYm is really organized, and they obviously strive to become the best.

Few years back, iG.BingBong was really into the Korean scene, and he made really good friends with gamers such as Darkelf and a lot of other really great players. They joined iG. 2 years ago already, and they are proud members of iG.

You guys however recruited Sea. just prior to this league to win your matches for you. You should be glad that you got let into this league, and make the best out of it with the guys you have. I can't possibly understand why guys such as blackjack, paul and other non-koreans can bear with the fact that they can't even represent their clan, of which they're proud members probably. Instead they are at the sideline watching a bunch of guys they hardly know, who only come online at Sunday for the clanwar, beat other guys for them.

If this league had prizes of thousands of dollars I understand your motives to get the best you can, but I can't understand why you would for a few measly prizes. For me this league has been a lot of fun, although I didn't play much in it. I love cheering for my teammates as they duke it out with some of the best teams outside Korea.

TheBlackJack

57 Posts

February 28 2006 05:53 GMT

#355

Actually I've played in every oG clan war since I've joined. Except for the one vs ESA which SCCL rules forbid me from playing in.

dev

Canada93 Posts

February 28 2006 06:02 GMT

#356

A. sea and ogaming were talks of joining the team 1 month before sccl started.
B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none.
C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members.
D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off.

iNsaNe-

Finland5201 Posts

February 28 2006 06:03 GMT

#357

On February 28 2006 10:02 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Since when is losing 2-3 considered raped?

Well losing generally is considered as rape nowdays.

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

February 28 2006 06:14 GMT

#358

On February 28 2006 14:53 TheBlackJack wrote:
Actually I've played in every oG clan war since I've joined. Except for the one vs ESA which SCCL rules forbid me from playing in.

this means as much as freezer saying you guys had the most different players play for you than any other team. thats because you used 2 koreans minimum in each of the first 5 cw's or w/e getting you a big lead, then with that lead you severely dropped off, losing to several teams because you stopped using the koreans to make it seem like the team wasnt reliant on them (when it fact it just didnt really matter if you won or not). now the first oG match that really matters in quite a while and 3 koreans play, suprise suprise.

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

February 28 2006 06:17 GMT

#359

On February 28 2006 15:02 dev wrote:
A. sea and ogaming were talks of joining the team 1 month before sccl started.
B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none.
C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members.
D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off.

the point is in any real aspect of a team they arent members. very small odds theyve played more than a few friendly games with you, jang's actions in sccl show how much respect they have for non koreans. they come on only for cw's, nothing else. they are not og members, they are mercs. you are dillusional if you really believe otherwise.