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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
mYm vs play.it winner of that is vs iG in the next round ToT vs eSa winner of that is vs oG in the next round I think ToT > esa (will have a fun rematch with oG after that  )and mYm > play.it even though they lost their last 2 clan wars vs them i think they can come out on top this time. Any other predictions? | ||
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ZpuX
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
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BeaTeR
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
i think Play > MyM ToT>esa | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
ToT>esa iG>ToT oG>Play iG>oG | ||
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
On February 14 2006 14:10 Sfydjklm wrote: Play>MYM ToT>esa iG>ToT oG>Play iG>oG Those matchups arent possible how you have them. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 14 2006 14:12 Freezer_au wrote: Those matchups arent possible how you have them. Oh pardon me, i swtiched tot and play. Still result will be the same=O given that you use the koreans^^ | ||
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iNcontroL
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 14 2006 14:26 {88}iNcontroL wrote: nah. Koreans included ToT WITH Mondie/Testie in the 2v2 and the current lineup we are bolstering should win this playoff. We didnt have anywhere our best lineup vs iG and it still came down to the 2v2 in which we didnt have our 2v2 team. Finepix/Jy beat them before~_~ | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
If you disagree with my logic thats fine, i guess what im trying to convey is we are confident in different results in our rematches! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 14 2006 14:26 {88}iNcontroL wrote: nah. Koreans included ToT WITH Mondie/Testie in the 2v2 and the current lineup we are bolstering should win this playoff. We didnt have anywhere our best lineup vs iG and it still came down to the 2v2 in which we didnt have our 2v2 team. sen and mondi are both part of your best lineup and they were there and lost ~_~ mondi had jet lag or something though. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
so it'll be mym > play tot > esa ig>mym tot > og tot vs ig finals funfun | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 14 2006 14:46 HungZerg wrote: sen and mondi are both part of your best lineup and they were there and lost ~_~ mondi had jet lag or something though. Idra your young and innocent so i wont ream you to bad. But where do i say anything about us not bringing _any_ of our best? I said "anywhere near" (forgot to add near) meaning we sported some inactives and missed some of our best. ToT best vs iG best (koreans included) and i believe strongly in a ToT win. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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iNcontroL
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iNcontroL
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On February 14 2006 15:10 HungZerg wrote: i think 2 of 4 1v1's is somewhere near, especially considering the players from your main lineup lost, and i dont remember what players iG had either. im not saying tot will lose but saying its their clear win is fairly questionable. Where did i say anything about "clear win" ? I said we are confident in different results. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Stop nit picking and trying to misconstrue my statement. If you are struggling with the big words just read this because this is what i am saying: "We are confident to do better" ok? Losing 3-2 --> doing better = a Win. If you still dont understand seek education. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
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NeoIllusions
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 14 2006 17:48 Freezer_au wrote: I think ESA) and ToT) will be closer then people think. Especially if the two island maps Estrella and 815 are selected. It just doesn't favour an all zerg team, lucky they have Testie I guess. sen plays toss alot on islands, mondi played random on gorky but i dont know if he does on estrella/815, and they could put in odin or daze or something instead of midian (since he seems to abhor islands). that and break/schnib will most likely be playing for esa so its not a big advantage. | ||
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
On February 14 2006 18:22 HungZerg wrote: sen plays toss alot on islands, mondi played random on gorky but i dont know if he does on estrella/815, and they could put in odin or daze or something instead of midian (since he seems to abhor islands). that and break/schnib will most likely be playing for esa so its not a big advantage. True , but if I was ESA) I would much rather face ToT)'s zerg players playing their off race on an island map then playing their main race on a land map. I don't think Odin is allowed to play yet as the cut off point for joining SCCL has passed. | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
Would be fun to see a final between ToT and iG ~~! | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 14 2006 18:38 DaZe wrote: in a ToT vs iG final it would all come down to who plays who. Testie would definitly be able to pull off a win against darkelf or byul ^_^; Would be fun to see a final between ToT and iG ~~! let me quote you the master himself: "Koreans own white dudes!" | ||
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 14 2006 18:38 DaZe wrote: in a ToT vs iG final it would all come down to who plays who. Testie would definitly be able to pull off a win against darkelf or byul ^_^; Would be fun to see a final between ToT and iG ~~! byul wont be playing as he is pretty inactive, however darkelf is in amazing form as he is practicing hardcore for his dual group and i think testie would be hard pressed to beat him. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On February 14 2006 16:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote: yeah 45% of the best lineup is nowhere near 100%. I guess thats relative and opinion based. Its my opinion that 45% of your best playing in a clan war is "nowhere near" 100%. If that isnt the case for you, swell. your 2 inactive players won the games, and your best players lost, so your point is completly invalid. GJ. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
GJ | ||
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nArAnjO
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
On February 15 2006 02:03 nArAnjO wrote: well dunno who will win, but if i go active again i would bet on iG since the 2v2 should be pretty much freewin for us (yeah even if testie and mondi play), then kaaz matti or darkelf should the their 1v1, where it's a 90% chance at least 2 of them will so gg give me my minerals plz That is some wishfull thinking | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
On February 14 2006 19:16 HungZerg wrote: byul wont be playing as he is pretty inactive, however darkelf is in amazing form as he is practicing hardcore for his dual group and i think testie would be hard pressed to beat him. yeah well of course darkelf is a great player and all but im just saying that testie would have a fair chance-- | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Guybrush
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Finland134 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 14 2006 23:38 ret wrote: your 2 inactive players won the games, and your best players lost, so your point is completly invalid. GJ. Hey dumbass when i said "if it came down to the 2v2 they wouldnt beat mondie/testie" that is my point. Also you make it sound like our best players is a guranteed 100% loss everytime we play iG. They lost, great. You going to argue with me we are just as good with a inferior lineup than we are with a better one? Try to not come off like a complete dick next time. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
tot > esa, esa has almost no chance, fenris is just coming out of inactivity and fisheye is still quite inactive ig>mym i think this will be close, being ig 3-2 tot < og ,og will prob bring all their koreans for the play off game, i predict og for the win but this will be a close one | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 15 2006 07:02 nitram wrote: he was kiddingu got link? | ||
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BeBlinD-RedruM
Sweden6 Posts
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linyu)wufan18
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nArAnjO
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
For sure u have to play fricking asdaaafds much te have a chance vs the very best gamers.. stupid to even discuss this shit. I hate all these stupid people who say stuff like '' He was only talented and didnt play that much'' or '' super talent''. All the gosus, foreigns and koreans played a shitload of games. Slayer, was a very gifted player, STILL HE PLAYED FUCKING FUCKING MUCH when he was active. So stop this shit as if it was something abnormal to play much bw games, cause if u dont u simply get rusty.. even the good ones ;( | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 22 2006 05:47 linyu)wufan18 wrote: Silent_Control played OSL many times,Testie raped him twice in Singapore,lol control WAS a starleague caliber player, i dont even remember seeing him in dual round 1 recently, much less starleague. also that was on wcg maps which testie most likely practiced alot on and control probably didnt practice as much, several of the sccl maps are/recently were pro maps so darkelf has played them even more than testie has. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
But still... u know D; | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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gokai
United States812 Posts
On February 15 2006 04:49 TreK[cF] wrote: sources tell me that yellow, nal_ra and reach will play ToT's 1on1s, still unconfirmed ... updating later haha, nice | ||
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Terross
United States878 Posts
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
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uPGaminG
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k3fka
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StarOfDust
Sweden163 Posts
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
Fenris is back in iG, no more eSa? http://igamers.free.fr/member.php | ||
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iNcontroL
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BeBlinD-RedruM
Sweden6 Posts
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BinGBonG[gamei]
Netherlands514 Posts
i think we wil face og) in finals if they use jang and sy. | ||
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taDa
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KienO
Germany214 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
ig.kaaz 2-0 mym.draco ig.arcneon 2-0 mym.a2 ig.bong 0-1 mym.pj ig.byul 0-0 mym.legendary (postponed) kaaz/naranjito 0-0 blackman/raven | ||
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KienO
Germany214 Posts
btw it really sucks that there is no coverage at all for the playoffs | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
KaaZ won Draco on Estrella? :O And didn't naranjito just quit BW? | ||
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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iNsaNe-
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Freezer_au
Australia1461 Posts
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
dissy vs blackjack sen vs finepix control vs jang | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
Mondragon 0:1 BlackJack SEn 1:0 FinePix iNcontroL 0:2 Jang | ||
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rawrx
United States380 Posts
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Musli
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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XaH
Bulgaria23 Posts
This is surprise | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
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iNcontroL
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KienO
Germany214 Posts
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iNcontroL
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
On February 26 2006 07:37 iNsaNe- wrote: w00t, nice, toplineup by both, should be nice games KaaZ won Draco on Estrella? :O And didn't naranjito just quit BW? yeap, but so did blackman, meaning i can still play a pretty top level 2v2 and help my team when need most | ||
Twisted
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linyu)wufan18
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goodluck nArAnjO | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Testie is down 0-1 to Leta, leta did a mm rush tvp on 815 and got in just before cannon/dt. | ||
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XaH
Bulgaria23 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 26 2006 09:09 Twisted wrote: haha korean lineup again did you not expect it? | ||
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iNcontroL
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{ToT}Strafe
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XaH
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iNcontroL
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iNcontroL
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Nick lost as well, 0-2 to Leta | ||
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XaH
Bulgaria23 Posts
On February 26 2006 09:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote: sen lost 1-2 he went p last game on luna and did.. really bad. Why did Sen choose P on Luna this is very strange any specific reason ??????? | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Any iG updates? | ||
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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XaH
Bulgaria23 Posts
On February 26 2006 09:32 Ash wrote: cause he's been play a lot of p's lately? Come on this is not good reason. In important game it's not right time for experiments I am sure Mondi will win his game and if Sen had won. 2v2 game would have been decisive. | ||
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IdrA
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iNcontroL
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iNcontroL
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StYm
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StYm
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
We will fight back through loser bracket! | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
oG) wins 3-2 3 koreans win.. and everything else eh hehe. | ||
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iD.NicKy
France767 Posts
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nArAnjO
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linyu)wufan18
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XaH
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
also check matti(arcneon)'s game vs a2 on Estrella, nice one , don't see their first game it sucked :D | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On February 26 2006 10:35 nArAnjO wrote: gosu koreans should be able to play as long as they not pro or semipro i think Darkelf? | ||
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iNcontroL
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
you said progamers shouldnt be allowed to play when we played a progamer (and darkelf is full pro) btw sen vs finepix game that sen won is really really really nice http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/scbw/sccl/playoffs/download/884287/ | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
"I think koreans that are pro / semi pro should not be able to play" "Darkelf?" <--- a semi pro "Yeah so what?" "HES A FUCKING SEMI PRO" "Whats wrong?" Do you have alsheimers or however you spell it? Even if you did scroll up and read. iG has Darkelf Darkelf = a semi professional korean. YOU said they should not be able to play. YET you have one on your own team playing. THAT = a contradiction. Comprende? | ||
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iNcontroL
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
that's what i think, not what ig.bingbong think. He makes the line ups, i don't. I think darkelf shouldn't be able to play since he is semipro. I put little sentences for u to get it. Understande? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
<3 | ||
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
On February 26 2006 11:36 HungZerg wrote: im pretty sure only like 1 of the sea. people was semi pro before the whole thing happened. what you want is that people who were brought in only to be ringers in cw's not to be allowed to play, but thats subjective so theres not really anything you can do about it. yeah that's exactly what is needed but you are right that there is nothing you can do about it. My idea above is "something" but it has its flaws like anything rlse | ||
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HaiVan
Bulgaria1698 Posts
On February 26 2006 11:46 nArAnjO wrote: no problema, anyway if u come up with other thinking i woulda agreed with u, im too fucking happy right now to disagree :D Oh man naranjo u're one dumbass motherfucker , are you happy enough to not flame back ? lol | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
everyone knows that oG recruited Sea just before sccl started some people think its retarded some people (hi og) think its not its allowed, thats all that matters | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
og)zang wasn't really jang vs tot, again. | ||
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Freezer_au
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starofNC
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
haha such retardation. | ||
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IdrA
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On February 26 2006 16:27 HungZerg wrote: and we dont have to play sea. next round. yay! And you haven't even beaten mYm yet to advance to the next round. Oh no! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
have you talked to the admins yet? will they be banned or just have the match overturned? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
hahahahaha | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
oG)Zang (Real Jang) vs Fisheye ![[image loading]](http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5329/jangvfisheye4kc.jpg) Sea.Jang (Real Jang -_-) vs hiya[aegis] ![[image loading]](http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1053/jangvhiya2wo.jpg) oG)Zang (Sea.niSeung) vs incontrol ![[image loading]](http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8817/zangvinc5pz.jpg) Sea.niSeung vs skin[3.33] ![[image loading]](http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4854/niseungskin8nm.jpg) if nothing else it at least shows that og)zang was used by 2 different people. the 2 being jang and niseung (niseung is not part of oG's roster) | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On February 26 2006 16:38 HungZerg wrote: but we will have you talked to the admins yet? will they be banned or just have the match overturned? not talked to anyone yet, didn't even see the replays until 45 minutes ago or so, everyone offline at the moment. i'll tell mondragon tomorrow and i guess he'll notify admins | ||
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United States9218 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
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rawrx
United States380 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
I do. | ||
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iNcontroL
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Not only were they already the laughing stock of this league, they proved that reputation now again. | ||
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taDa
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
On February 26 2006 08:55 XaH wrote: Mondragon 0:1 BlackJack This is surprise Not. | ||
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MgZ)ResT
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Nal_CrayOn
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oG) admitted it yet? So this time, Korean Sea clan's fault? or oG managers just let other guy play on zang's ID? | ||
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dev
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Nal_CrayOn
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8888
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they can do what ever they want D: | ||
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bioboyAT
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dev
Canada93 Posts
those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control. look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool. | ||
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Play.RauDo
Italy6 Posts
No words again for oG). | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 27 2006 00:34 dev wrote: uh.. there is no proof here dude.. its 100% real jang those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control. look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool. Did you even bother to look at the hotkey breakdown of the four games... | ||
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Zymurgy
United States370 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On February 27 2006 00:34 dev wrote: uh.. there is no proof here dude.. its 100% real jang those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control. look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool. Are you a retard or something? The proof could not be more obvious. | ||
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Macedonia410 Posts
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starofNC
United States1340 Posts
zulu_nation8 what you think he magically decided to play with hotkeys exactly like his clanmate in Sea? | ||
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dev
Canada93 Posts
it was jang that played dude.. he is semi-pro. its not like we were short on players.... outsider, raptor, jy,leta,jang, and finepix all showed up but we let blackjack play. plus none of the og admins would ever approve of such a thing. not freezer, not me, and no other ogaming manager. they all know better.... and you all know that. the screens like i said dont prove nothing as they are from tvt and tvp and compared to his tvz. tvz hotkeys are different as medics/marines/stimp are used alot more in tvz. and tvp and tvt are more a like. anyways i saw jang after the game he was talking to freezer about how his games went etc. there is no way someone else played for him. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
This is now the 3rd time that korean team cheats in a cw. Since Jamie fortunatly knows these guys better than you (gamingwise) ppl will trust his proovs | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On February 27 2006 03:10 dev wrote: ilvy i will clear this up soon, its real jang and sea.man was not there to organize this. it was organized all by freezer. ok they are not his tvz, let's take a look at his tvz hotkeys then, shall we? ![[image loading]](http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5131/jangvnaturalwhite8ia.jpg) i've got the fucking minerals buddy. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12802 Posts
Further undeniable proof. | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
On February 27 2006 04:14 asla wrote: sob sob, boohoo.. og ftw.. i dont see that happen | ||
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TreK
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
i understand that u can see at what time he hotkeys something from 1-0, but other than that its just numbers everywhere, maybe i suck Kinda cool tho...and i dont think the sea. members could care less if oG was banned from SCCL. & Sherlock Jamie u rock <3 :D | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12802 Posts
His word cannot be trusted. Hi Alex! :p | ||
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Thailand7026 Posts
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
i really dunno why cry about korean semi pros playing this sccl i see a replay Sen winning boxer <-- progamer, testie > Pj mondi winning many semipros too so why fear about semipros? or A+? i really laught when i see some people showing replays vs semipros and are here crying about semipros playing this O_O heros oldy heros octzerg and white ra satanik were A+ or u dont feel confident about ur skill? stop crying plz i think oG has a problem first with jang i dont think than they will repit the same twice gl | ||
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asla
Japan354 Posts
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Bumshohle
Seychelles7 Posts
Just pathetic...first he blames everything on his flu and now this.. | ||
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Finland5201 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:15 Bumshohle wrote: This is no proof. I've personaly looked at the reps and there's a lot of corrupt data in them...The only explanation is that Midian himself has mixed with the data. It could be changed names, hotkeys, anything... Just pathetic...first he blames everything on his flu and now this.. You know what i hate? ppl what create flameaccounts, use your real nick or fuck off | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:01 sMaCkEr wrote: lol i really dunno why cry about korean semi pros playing this sccl i see a replay Sen winning boxer <-- progamer, testie > Pj mondi winning many semipros too so why fear about semipros? or A+? i really laught when i see some people showing replays vs semipros and are here crying about semipros playing this O_O heros oldy heros octzerg and white ra satanik were A+ or u dont feel confident about ur skill? stop crying plz i think oG has a problem first with jang i dont think than they will repit the same twice gl Smacker , i do not have a problem with the iG koreans, they have been in this team longer and if you use 1 - 2 in match no problem at all, but if you add just a full korean team and let them random play, they even forget their password for b-net account after 3 games, how should anyone ever know who really plays, specially if you got lied in your face by the korean manager of the team? This is a official tournament, even with prizemoney, so if they cheated they are out, same as it happend with CS team of pG, and there wasnt even a 100% proof | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:01 asla wrote: funny that's the exact image i've got of tot.. reality is even worse ! | ||
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asla
Japan354 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
Many ppl have been caught with hotkey comparing and its mostly right too :p Oh rly? | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:51 asla wrote: yes, and? and u got owned in hockey yesterday | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
ouch | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
dev: 'why the hell would we let smoeone else who is worse then jang play for jang?' Testie: 'Perhaps because Jang could not make it or didn't want to, and you have no faith in your non-korean roster. So you'd better let someone worse than Jang, but still better than your team play.' | ||
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Bumshohle
Seychelles7 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:39 Ilvy wrote: You know what i hate? ppl what create flameaccounts, use your real nick or fuck off You know what i hate? ppl WHAT takes everything seriusly. And whats this shit about my real nick? so just because i most often use AwZ does that mean that i have to use it here or else i should fuck off? Im sorry mam, but i only have this account here. Did you actually think that someone would believe my story about "corrupt data"? that's fucking stupdid...OHH IM SORRY im not allowed to flame with this acc, i have to make a new one with my "real nick" | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:15 Bumshohle wrote: This is no proof. I've personaly looked at the reps and there's a lot of corrupt data in them...The only explanation is that Midian himself has mixed with the data. It could be changed names, hotkeys, anything... Just pathetic...first he blames everything on his flu and now this.. midian posted fake data? was it before or after he assassinated kennedy? conspired with the israeli government to blow up the twin towers? planted that iceberg in front of the titanic? had sex with a monkey so humans could contract HIV? rewrote the ballots in florida so bush could beat gore? | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
some Sea guy or rather other ? i think u should match hotkeys with Sea guys first ^^ | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On February 27 2006 09:08 Hot_Bid wrote: midian posted fake data? was it before or after he (...) had sex with a monkey so humans could contract HIV? ! haha.. | ||
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Bumshohle
Seychelles7 Posts
On February 27 2006 09:08 Hot_Bid wrote: midian posted fake data? was it before or after he assassinated kennedy? conspired with the israeli government to blow up the twin towers? planted that iceberg in front of the titanic? had sex with a monkey so humans could contract HIV? rewrote the ballots in florida so bush could beat gore? It was after all that.... If you want me to get into the details it was really 2pac that teached him to fool BWchart. When midian had got all the information about "the ultimate weapon"(BWChart) he killed 2pac for using Midians government name in a song. Then he placed a wave-generator in the Indian Ocean to create a tsunami and distract the world while he created the four replays of doom. | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
1.Jamie: that nick response was exactly what i said dorkus muaha 2.Bingbong: i never said anything about kicking darkelf or anything you (as expected) moron. Naranjito YOUR teammate said his status should make it that he cannot play, i pointed out his contradiction. My own opinion was void in those posts. I dont expect you to have a strong grasp of the english language cause its not your first language, but dont assume things when your speaking out of your ass. THANKS! | ||
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Nal_CrayOn
600 Posts
oG) I really dont have any offence to you, but it is true that u guys recrutied them right b4 SCCL cuz....Sea would get half prize from SCCL -_-;; Admit the truth. (Don't say i'm thinking with no clue, me/sea.man/jeeyunee knows....) seriously oG) I know u guys tried to communicate with Korean or watever, but the fact is that everything went to all about Clan's pride and so much bs. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
going by the assumption what crayon is saying is true, THAT's pretty pathetic. | ||
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asla
Japan354 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
cuz like I generally think people are telling the truth | ||
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Poland5130 Posts
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asla
Japan354 Posts
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 09:07 Bumshohle wrote: You know what i hate? ppl WHAT takes everything seriusly. And whats this shit about my real nick? so just because i most often use AwZ does that mean that i have to use it here or else i should fuck off? Im sorry mam, but i only have this account here. Did you actually think that someone would believe my story about "corrupt data"? that's fucking stupdid...OHH IM SORRY im not allowed to flame with this acc, i have to make a new one with my "real nick" Well you posted same shit on 2 pages, i do not take that as a joke than. take it as a hint not doing this kind of jokes when you are new in community (what i guess since on gg.net your account is new too) and got not much idea about what´s going on, it could end kinda unhealthy and it´s not helpfull at all in a already heated thread. | ||
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Bumshohle
Seychelles7 Posts
WTF NEW IN THE COMMUNITY? don't fucking draw conclusions based on when i made the account. That just proves that you're an infantile idiot. I've been with the community since 2001, hell i even run the swedish community so stop fucking around you make me mad. Yes my post could actually change the decision of SCCL crew... get real May i suggest that you think before you write anything next time. So ppl wont have to be exposed to nofactbullshit. | ||
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Into.Love
China172 Posts
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Finland772 Posts
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United States1936 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
accountsharing is worse for the team it's 2 totally different things and yeah Eri, you're too gullible. Of course Sea. didn't 'just' join because they thought, hey oG are nice guys! They mostly despise foreigners. They are the most bad mannered Korean team we ever faced in all our clanwars vs Koreans. These cases just prove it more and more, they don't give a flying fuck about our community, nor about principles. Recruiting Koreans to win a clanleague (prior to when the league starts of course) is on itself pathetic, but offering them half the prizes makes it even worse. And they aren't mercs, yeah right. On and I already banned 2 people in this topic, because they are complete and utter morons who are totally ignorant of the entire subject. If you don't have anything to add, then don't post please. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
paying them isn't so bad, many teams do that, only reason why people care about that part is them being korean, and I don't really care about them being korean but the only reason why they'd lie about it is they themselves feel it's not fair, and then doing it anyway, despite feeling it's not fair, isn't cool at all. | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On February 27 2006 11:07 (paladin)roMAD wrote: oG)Zang in these games was not Jang, the player was Sea.niSeung beyond a doubt. Stop argueing about it. Well really the only people arguing about it are either oG members or oG members on smurfs pretending to not be oG members  | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Zia you should leave oG. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 10:44 Bumshohle wrote: No you cant joke twice...its impossible WTF NEW IN THE COMMUNITY? don't fucking draw conclusions based on when i made the account. That just proves that you're an infantile idiot. I've been with the community since 2001, hell i even run the swedish community so stop fucking around you make me mad. Yes my post could actually change the decision of SCCL crew... get real May i suggest that you think before you write anything next time. So ppl wont have to be exposed to nofactbullshit. You run swede community? for me BW swede community is run on GG.net, ou aren´t member in that staff are you? i guess you are gamingeye like Patriot | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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taDa
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
On February 27 2006 08:45 Ilvy wrote: Smacker , i do not have a problem with the iG koreans, they have been in this team longer and if you use 1 - 2 in match no problem at all, but if you add just a full korean team and let them random play, they even forget their password for b-net account after 3 games, how should anyone ever know who really plays, specially if you got lied in your face by the korean manager of the team? This is a official tournament, even with prizemoney, so if they cheated they are out, same as it happend with CS team of pG, and there wasnt even a 100% proof vs ToT's who call koreans riceeaters and say shit about they for sure i will put in my lineup nada boxer reach to beat they!!! :D Gj oG | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
such things happening two times is ridicoulous and pathetic at the same time... | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On February 27 2006 11:25 CultureMisfits wrote: has sccl admins been contacted about this, I bet they know about this | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 27 2006 11:48 sMaCkEr wrote: they cheated, they got caught(again), don't try to justify that shit. are you still in oG)? would make more sense then. vs ToT's who call koreans riceeaters and say shit about they for sure i will put in my lineup nada boxer reach to beat they!!! :D Gj oG | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Pistasj
Norway272 Posts
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 27 2006 12:42 Pistasj wrote: If Jang is better than nieSung is'nt ToT more upset about loosing than actually beeing cheated? Comeon if ToT had won that game it would not even be an argument i think. Get rematch vs Jang and see whos better. If not you should take points from oG for cheating and not reward ToT for loosing. the point is not who won, it is that someone who wasnt allowed to play played. especially since they've already done this it shows utter disregard for the rules, meaning theyd probably do whatever they thought necessary to win in the future. they should be banned on that basis alone. | ||
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Pistasj
Norway272 Posts
Hope you understand what i meant. I know it's still cheating but, it's lauhgable. Just wanted to spread my thoughts. Thats the last from me in this thread. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 12:42 Pistasj wrote: If Jang is better than nieSung is'nt ToT more upset about loosing than actually beeing cheated? Comeon if ToT had won that game it would not even be an argument i think. Get rematch vs Jang and see whos better. If not you should take points from oG for cheating and not reward ToT for loosing. Its not the point of loosing or winning, maybe Geoff would have lost against all of them, it is about rules in first line and trust. @Smacker the "ricereater" case happend exactly the first time when sea. cheated, won´t say it was right that Strafe and Mondragon flamed, but they got penalty for , so all team payed for it. I did not flame anyone that day nor did i do it after, i even have ppl in oG i like since a long time, it was more that the sea. manager lied Midian and me right into the face last time when he denied in first place that it was wrong guy playing. You should not wonder that the trust to these ppl is gone. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Except July though | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
besides, its like hey ac milan has to play barcelona next week, lets make an all star team to beat them! | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On February 27 2006 14:14 {ToT}Strafe wrote: not enough to make this worth bitching about,but i dont like oG no one with a brain can still like oG after this fucking bullshit who the fuck do they think they are ? Fucking assholes.. Cheating 2 times.. thats soo pathetic.. | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On February 27 2006 13:48 iNsaNe- wrote: Did Freezer/other oG non-korean management know first time when FinePix was playing for Jang that it wasn't Jang playing really? it was FIREFIST playing instead of jang, not finepix. firefist wasn't on their roster, finepix was, not that that would've changed anything but yea. | ||
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littlechava
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On February 27 2006 15:51 greatmeh wrote: so is oG gonna re vs ToT, or nothing gonna change? re what the hell they should be banned | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
banned, kicked and slapped from the whole community | ||
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
jang cant play and say to a friend to come europe to play for him but freezer didnt know than he wasnt jang O_O just a hipotesis | ||
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
On February 27 2006 17:43 sMaCkEr wrote: maybe this happen if really isnt jang jang cant play and say to a friend to come europe to play for him but freezer didnt know than he wasnt jang O_O just a hipotesis Probably, but isn't the leader responsible for his members' behaviour? The fact that they are koreans should not be an excuse. | ||
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littlechava
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StYm
Mexico94 Posts
2nd.- oG) is a joke i've always said they are not a team and that answer from testie saying that they didnt used 1 member non korean vs tot, i agree, that was cuz they were afraid and used a worst player than jang , but better than the non koreans.. If i would manage this league i would ban oG) right now , proofs are clearly. and My Gosu opinion to this is: oG) banned and gogogo eSa vs Play.it >> winner vs ToT) that would be awesome , and kinda imposible^^ but would be great , looks fair (to me^^) | ||
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TheBlackJack
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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Balance
United States11 Posts
Just ban oG) from the league. No quesitons, no answers, simple power usage. That's my simple answer. | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
On February 27 2006 11:14 Twisted wrote: There we have it. roMAD, StarofNC and MidiaN all are 100% sure it's niSeung ; ). Zia you should leave oG. Well I DO know this much: I'm not going to feel any guilt whatsoever because a Korean fucked up. That's his problem, not mine. If the whole community wants to bash oG for an individual's mistake, so be it. I didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Freezer. I'm still a little confused and rather uneasy on the situation though. It does bother me knowing that every single time I log on euro, I get relentlessly verbally abused just because I carry a tag. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
(I tried to provide a balanced side of the view, even though I feel oG) is guilty as hell and should be kicked from the league) | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
Though if you want to blame Freezer (don't know why you would in the first place, not the point though) because hes a manager of the team, atleast blame Dev, Zoxxer, Kentaro, Dinnin, Seaman, Yoon, and AngelicFrost. With the exception of Dev (oG admin), the rest are "Management." | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
With a big management like that they shouldnt have the problems which now have occured. | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 27 2006 00:34 dev wrote: uh.. there is no proof here dude.. its 100% real jang those screens are from jang's tvt and tvp vs his tvz vs control. look at jang's tvz games.. and the thing about the command centre those are at different times.... hes no sherlok just a fool. This statement leads me to believe that dev was entirely aware of the substitution. An honest, competent manager would thoroughly investigate this matter before abruptly declaring his absolute certainty. Since the proof is hard to ignore, they have devised a new strategy: blame it on their korean all-stars. If they were truly ignorant, as they now claim, they would never blindly come to Jang's defense in this manner. Lets face it. They got caught and are now attempting to save-face by selling out Sea. | ||
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TheBlackJack
57 Posts
On February 27 2006 20:25 NubainMuscle wrote: This statement leads me to believe that dev was entirely aware of the substitution. An honest, competent manager would thoroughly investigate this matter before abruptly declaring his absolute certainty. Since the proof is hard to ignore, they have devised a new strategy: blame it on their korean all-stars. If they were truly ignorant, as they now claim, they would never blindly come to Jang's defense in this manner. Lets face it. They got caught and are now attempting to save-face by selling out Sea. And you determined that just from Dev's post? I don't see the connection. Either way, you should join up with the NYPD. They have so many unsolved murders, you could take care of half of them in a day. I don't think Dev was even online during the clan war. Perhaps a better explanation for Dev's post would be that he was totally clueless to the account sharing and his post was an instinctual reaction to criticism of something he was apart of. Much like people will naturally defend their country or political party. If he was in on it, do you think he would knowingly flame someone who was stating the truth just so he could look twice as dumb when he was proven wrong? I don't believe Freezer or any of the other non-korean members knew about this. About a half hour before the clan war "oG)Leta2" join op oG) asking what was the password for oG)Jang. Freezer seemed kind of ignorant to what was going on saying "lol you forgot your own pass?" I thought it was pretty fishy, but I was too tired to care. I don't really read much of what is going on in setting up the clan war. I usually wake up a half hour before the clan war, join the channel so they know that I am going to show up, and then go back to sleep for another half hour. Although if I was manager of oG) and responsible for setting the draw, I'm certain I would have figured out that they were screwing around on their accounts. Hindsight is 20/20 But with all due respect, to suggest that anyone in the non-korean management was aware of the situation is just plain stupid. Before the clan war started, Geoff told midian to check the hotkeys of all the matches. It's extremely easy to see if someone is account sharing, and oG)Jang has been busted for this in the past. Even then, I hear oG)Jy also showed up to the clan war and was an available substitute. Do you believe oG) made a collective decision to try to get away with account sharing, knowing that ToT would be checking the replays afterwards, knowing they were penalized for this in the past, and knowing that there was another korean just as good waiting on the bench? | ||
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South Africa423 Posts
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TheBlackJack
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 27 2006 21:15 TheBlackJack wrote: none? An analogy: A employer arrives on the jobsite and is greeted by federal agents. The press is nearby as well, so any comments will go on the record. The federal agents inform the employer that a worker is being charged with a felony, and present some circumstantial evidence in defense of this accusation. If the employer announces publicly with 100% certainty that his employee is innocent, despite having no knowledge of what took place and only briefly glancing at the evidence, then this will look extremely suspicious to the public. A competent employee that was truly ignorant of the matter would have immediately stated "I have no knowledge of the proceedings at this point in time, a thorough investigation will be carried out, and the guilty parties prosecuted." However, let us assume, as in the case of oG), that selling out the employee is not a desirable outcome. Perhaps the employee will squeal and inform the press that the employer was in fact an accomplice and well aware of the criminal activity. So as a result, the employer has only 1 option to save the reputation of his firm and mitigate the situation: hire a lawyer and claim that the evidence/charges are 100% false. After such a performance, supporting his employee 100%, the evidence is proven to be irrefutable, then the employer will only have 1 option: go back on his word and plead ignorance, perhaps in an attempt to partially salvage the shattered reputation of his firm. To the viewers at home, the press, and the prosecution, the employer (in this analogy, the management of oG) is a spineless shank who will sell out his confidant the employee in order to save whatever fleeting vestige of a reputable firm that remains. Seriously, oG) management is pathetic. On a sidenote, I do have respect for you BlackJack, as a talented American representative gamer. | ||
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TheBlackJack
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
oG) management was confronted publicly with an accusation (supported by evidence) that niSeung played under Jang's account. The management's initial strategy is to totally deny the cheating, hoping that the evidence is too weak to adequately support the accusation. That way, Sea. AND oG)'s reputations are spared. Once the evidence proves too strong to ignore, oG) has only one option (of course telling the truth isn't one of them!), and thats to sell out Sea. and plead ignorance. This would have been the initial strategy if oG) management was sharper mentally, had more time to think the matter through, and/or hadn't underestimated the power of the evidence. Ultimately, this proved to be the worst decision because now oG) is caught in multiple lies and were even willing to sell out the same squad that was responsible for their success in the first place! | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 27 2006 21:36 TheBlackJack wrote: I think you're giving Dev way too much credit lolol Well Freezer gave a similar defense (he talked with Jang afterward about the outcome of the games). This is suspicious as well, considering an average battle.net conversation consists of "ok", "rofl", "-,,-", "--;", etc. etc. Coupled with the language barrier, it seems very odd that Freezer could authenticate Jang from a brief battle.net conversation. With the exception of users like Ragnar (Entropy), Manifesto, etc the text would be quite generic. But the fact that he uses this as a defense leads me to believe that he was scrambling for an initial defense in order to protect niSeung. Not to mention that niSeung would intentionally keep the conversation terse in order to avoid implicating himself if in fact Freezer did not know. So in summary, Freezer could not have gained any insight from the battle.net conversation with niSeung that would have absolutely confirmed that it was Jang. So rather, he used the instance as a transparent alibi. | ||
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TheBlackJack
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On February 27 2006 21:50 TheBlackJack wrote: That only explains the course of action after they were caught account sharing. It doesn't explain WHY ON EARTH oG) management would possibly go along with account sharing! That's the part you have to explain, and the part you can't explain, because they didn't go along with it and they were ignorant to it. At least that's my unbiased belief. 1) You said oG)Jy was a potential substitute. oG)Jy is a Zerg user, and ZvZ is Geoff's best matchup.I understand that oG)Jy would still be the favorite, but why take the risk (when money is on the line). Not to mention that Z v Z is arguably the most unpredictable and luck-based matchup in Broodwar. It would be safer (from the standpoint of winning the match) to substitute Jang with a Terran user. TvZ is the most imbalanced matchup in Broodwar on most pro-maps (based on ongamenet and msl statistics at least). Therefore niSeung was far more likely to win, at least in theory. | ||
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StYm
Mexico94 Posts
A match between Play.it vs eSa. , winner goes vs ToT) instead of oG) and then all keep going good^^ im dreaming a lot^^ | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
Crayon confirmed the suspicion that the Sea. users were recruited for the sole purpose of winning the SCCL so that both teams could split the prize money pot. Users like ZoXXeR, Freezer, etc. would argue that oG) provided no monetary incentive for Sea. to merge other than the camraderie and practice ( LOL ). Your managers lie. They disrespect not only their opponents but the entire community of spectators and fans as well. So I think it is safe to say that they would not object to the account sharing solely for reasons of moral conscience! As with any illegal activity, there is always a probability (however small) that you will be caught, so like most cheaters, they were simply willing to accept the risks. | ||
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TheBlackJack
57 Posts
Readers can decide from here | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
Nero and I will be out of the way, since he retired and might not compete this year, and I'm moving back to Cali. You'd have a good shot. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 27 2006 21:12 NubainMuscle wrote: If Dev was not online during the clanwar, then on what grounds can he claim he was 100% sure it was the real oG)Jang? He was online, he was in the channel when CW started | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On February 27 2006 11:56 MaGic~PhiL wrote: oG) should be banned for this season and for the next.. such things happening two times is ridicoulous and pathetic at the same time...  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28562 Posts
there doesn't have to be some grand conspiracy or whatever. (but they should still be banned of course. :-) ) | ||
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ZoXXeR
Sweden197 Posts
On February 27 2006 22:17 NubainMuscle wrote: ... and BlackJack lets face it, your management has no ethos whatsoever. Crayon confirmed the suspicion that the Sea. users were recruited for the sole purpose of winning the SCCL so that both teams could split the prize money pot. Users like ZoXXeR, Freezer, etc. would argue that oG) provided no monetary incentive for Sea. to merge other than the camraderie and practice ( LOL ). Your managers lie. They disrespect not only their opponents but the entire community of spectators and fans as well. So I think it is safe to say that they would not object to the account sharing solely for reasons of moral conscience! As with any illegal activity, there is always a probability (however small) that you will be caught, so like most cheaters, they were simply willing to accept the risks. That is wrong. There are no money whatsoever involved. Although, feels like no one can understand that, and without any proof or anything keep on guessing, or simply do not belive us. I don't know what to say in this mess... I just feel vey disappointed with Jang. Last time we got in trouble it was because he gave his passowrd to another player and let him play. This time it is because Jang gave out his password to another player (it's even his brother, if I do not mistake myself) who could play in a clan war. Still, it's oGaming as a whole who gets attacked and talked trash about. As for people who are saying the oGaming management sucks since it's so big nd still can't handle a cw, or whatever - the oGaming management is big, yes. But everyone doesn't do the same thing, in our clan. I don't think a lot of people from the management was online when the CW started. I was not, for sure. | ||
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asla
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dev
Canada93 Posts
Yea its true, although we were all hurt by it, I believe the person that was hurt the most is oG)Freezer, his statment can be found http://www.ogaming.org/zboard.php?id=oGaming&no=26 My Apologies to madian and everyone in tot). | ||
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ArCNeON(TE)
Finland134 Posts
On February 27 2006 18:59 TheBlackJack wrote: Hey, the non-koreans in oG didn't know about this account sharing. I don't care if anyone does it to me, but please stop calling my teammates newbs and cheaters when they are on bnet. They had nothing to do with this. There's no need to go on a witch hunt every time you see an oG) tag. On February 27 2006 19:20 IcedEarth wrote: Well I DO know this much: I'm not going to feel any guilt whatsoever because a Korean fucked up. That's his problem, not mine. If the whole community wants to bash oG for an individual's mistake, so be it. I didn't do anything wrong. Neither did Freezer. I'm still a little confused and rather uneasy on the situation though. It does bother me knowing that every single time I log on euro, I get relentlessly verbally abused just because I carry a tag. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. Seems like you both starting to understand more of iG's long lasting situation Don't look for a way out Zia, think of the reasons you joined oG rather ;p | ||
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HumbleZealot
Canada508 Posts
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
I also understand the oG staff and their will to recruit competitive players for this tournament. I mean, everyone did it, except oG did it with koreans good players. Now, oG staff should use that as an experience. Don't recrtuit players on the only matter of the skill, take the manner and the teamspirit in consideration too. It is easay to shoot someone when he is down, so i don't think it is intereseting to keep flaming oG, let their staff and the SCCL staff do their job. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
i would really wonder if he would have known it. Even if i could say that i am not a Freezers friend, i feel sry now for him, i hope you guys learned that korean semipro or pro like the game, maybe like you and your team, but mostly like themself more or they never would have played arround that shit with "his oh so loved team", he even did 2 times, he knew what will happen so i would say he gives a shit on oG, on rules and on nonkorean community since he still thought "we" are way to newb and to stupid to find out. Ppl like this i never would call a friend and teammate. I bet the rest of your playing korean knew it. For me Sea lost all the respect as korean guild for pissing on community and letting oG down. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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asla
Japan354 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
I could say what goes around comes around, when recruiting those dickfaces, but that would be mean. I trust that oG will get banned from the league, nothing more and nothing less. I also hope this is a lesson that if you play this league, just play it with the people you have, it makes for a lot more fun games. I don't know about you guys, but I don't enjoy myself watching a bunch of Koreans playing eachother while I don't even know them or haven't spoken to any of them. I'd rather cheer for a bunch of good non-koreans. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
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KienO
Germany214 Posts
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ZoXXeR
Sweden197 Posts
On February 28 2006 07:26 {ToT}Strafe wrote: They wont get banned though, the only admin at the moment is oG)Lonic. He will probably ignore the entire situation like it didnt happen. That's wrong, and has been so ever since the start of SCCL. LoNiC left oGaming to concentrate 100% and to work independent with SCCL before the start of the league. | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
Strafe left ToT too some weeks ago go figure :D | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On February 28 2006 04:07 ZoXXeR wrote: Still, it's oGaming as a whole who gets attacked and talked trash about. As for people who are saying the oGaming management sucks since it's so big nd still can't handle a cw, or whatever - the oGaming management is big, yes. But everyone doesn't do the same thing, in our clan. I don't think a lot of people from the management was online when the CW started. I was not, for sure. A player is a representitive of their team. If the team keeps player like Jang, what does it say about the team? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
So in short, oG deserves everything thats comming to them. Mocking them in channels for an administration error (of which freezer honorably took the blame for) is not justified. Flaming Dev, that is fine. Even if he retracted his statements he ran around flapping his jaw in to much of a rash nature to be forgotten so quick. | ||
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SinfulActs
Turkey152 Posts
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iNcontroL
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On February 28 2006 09:37 SinfulActs wrote: so oG raped tot. right? again, for all those idiots using this argument, the results have no bearing or relevance on what the issues are | ||
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SinfulActs
Turkey152 Posts
On February 28 2006 09:49 Hot_Bid wrote: again, for all those idiots using this argument, the results have no bearing or relevance on what the issues are I think it is not an argument but a fact. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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sTrAtO
Mexico1084 Posts
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SinfulActs
Turkey152 Posts
On February 28 2006 10:02 [X]Ken_D wrote: Since when is losing 2-3 considered raped? ok it was just a french kiss | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
http://www.ogaming.org/zboard.php?id=oGaming&no=26 | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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nArAnjO
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
ToT) knows a lot of koreans too, we haven't even thought about recruiting one yet just because we're that bad ass. And i'm sure MyM. would be the toughest in the league if they had Canata / Iloveoov / Boxer / Kingdom / Gorush... I'm sure PJ, wufan, and LX could say, "hey, want to play on our nobo euro team for fun on sundays if you're not busy?" There's nothing wrong with inviting koreans if you're previously friends with them and have known them for a long time, but i've seen how koreans can join teams before. I do not think oG) is very close with Sea. at all considering Sea. members are on another level entirely and no offense, wouldn't want to waste their time with regular practice games with a high % of your members. | ||
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taDa
575 Posts
SW) used to be all about the Koreans as I am sure most of you would remember... heard it all before -- been there done that. I am all for Koreans participating in these leagues, but when you cannot obey the rules let alone break them twice there is no real discussion to be had. Many teams have great connections to top koreans and there has been interest, but many chose not to use them for their own reasons. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
the right penatly ( imho ) : ban them from the league for this season and next the hadrest penalty ( too hard imto ) : ban them forever | ||
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dev
Canada93 Posts
testie as if you can get any korean's to join your team. and any team would let boxer join their team in a min if they could. and to your point erlier. Jy could have eazly replaced jang, but jang's brother wanted to play badly which is why he lied about being jang. its unfortunate that ToT) will advance this way. oh well good on you guys. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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dev
Canada93 Posts
MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea. does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys. I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team? last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team. ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that. | ||
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StYm
Mexico94 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On February 28 2006 13:27 dev wrote: iG. has korenas in their team and i believe one of them is semi pro? MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea. does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys. I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team? last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team. ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that. Darkelf is FULL pro and the koreans in iG. have been in the team a very long time, even before they got really gosu (semi/prolevel) | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
And comparing your team with iG and mYm... you're missing the point. Pj and Legendary weren't recruited to win SCCL, they were recruited to form a good foreign team which can compete with anyone. mYm is really organized, and they obviously strive to become the best. Few years back, iG.BingBong was really into the Korean scene, and he made really good friends with gamers such as Darkelf and a lot of other really great players. They joined iG. 2 years ago already, and they are proud members of iG. You guys however recruited Sea. just prior to this league to win your matches for you. You should be glad that you got let into this league, and make the best out of it with the guys you have. I can't possibly understand why guys such as blackjack, paul and other non-koreans can bear with the fact that they can't even represent their clan, of which they're proud members probably. Instead they are at the sideline watching a bunch of guys they hardly know, who only come online at Sunday for the clanwar, beat other guys for them. If this league had prizes of thousands of dollars I understand your motives to get the best you can, but I can't understand why you would for a few measly prizes. For me this league has been a lot of fun, although I didn't play much in it. I love cheering for my teammates as they duke it out with some of the best teams outside Korea. | ||
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TheBlackJack
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dev
Canada93 Posts
B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none. C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members. D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On February 28 2006 10:02 [X]Ken_D wrote: Since when is losing 2-3 considered raped? Well losing generally is considered as rape nowdays. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 28 2006 14:53 TheBlackJack wrote: Actually I've played in every oG clan war since I've joined. Except for the one vs ESA which SCCL rules forbid me from playing in. this means as much as freezer saying you guys had the most different players play for you than any other team. thats because you used 2 koreans minimum in each of the first 5 cw's or w/e getting you a big lead, then with that lead you severely dropped off, losing to several teams because you stopped using the koreans to make it seem like the team wasnt reliant on them (when it fact it just didnt really matter if you won or not). now the first oG match that really matters in quite a while and 3 koreans play, suprise suprise. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:02 dev wrote: A. sea and ogaming were talks of joining the team 1 month before sccl started. B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none. C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members. D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off. the point is in any real aspect of a team they arent members. very small odds theyve played more than a few friendly games with you, jang's actions in sccl show how much respect they have for non koreans. they come on only for cw's, nothing else. they are not og members, they are mercs. you are dillusional if you really believe otherwise. | ||
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starofNC
United States1340 Posts
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IdrA
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:02 dev wrote: A. sea and ogaming were talks of joining the team 1 month before sccl started. B. over half of our games in sccl only had 1 korean gamer or none. C. most of our members went incative. paul, pride, gabriel etc. so we were forced to get new members. D. we will put the best line up possible, ogaming is a compative team. if you don't like the fact that some sea members are part of our team then you can f*ck off. Well I'm done arguing with you, not only do you seem completely retarded, your lack of understandance undermines any useful discussing. Telling me to fuck off out of the blue doesn't help buddy. | ||
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TheBlackJack
57 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:14 HungZerg wrote: this means as much as freezer saying you guys had the most different players play for you than any other team. thats because you used 2 koreans minimum in each of the first 5 cw's or w/e getting you a big lead, then with that lead you severely dropped off, losing to several teams because you stopped using the koreans to make it seem like the team wasnt reliant on them (when it fact it just didnt really matter if you won or not). now the first oG match that really matters in quite a while and 3 koreans play, suprise suprise. Actually I was addressing the issue of me having to 'sit on the sideline and watch koreans play.' Not whatever it is you are talking about. Too tired to understand it anyway | ||
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Mr.Testie
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
This league is just a chance for your non-Korean players to show what they're worth, and they would definitely love to play in it. But instead, a bunch of Korean players they hardly know play every week. That's the point I was getting at. | ||
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YsL_hr
Croatia6 Posts
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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sMaCkEr
Peru295 Posts
On February 28 2006 15:17 HungZerg wrote: the point is in any real aspect of a team they arent members. very small odds theyve played more than a few friendly games with you, jang's actions in sccl show how much respect they have for non koreans. they come on only for cw's, nothing else. they are not og members, they are mercs. you are dillusional if you really believe otherwise. i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right? | ||
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HumbleZealot
Canada508 Posts
On February 28 2006 16:37 HungZerg wrote: any team with 2-3 good tvz's has a strong chance vs ToT And that is exactly what oG) has, 3 very skilled Semi-pro koreans with skilled TvZ's. Which thay always stack their line-up's with when they play ToT) or other challenging clans. oG)'s non-korean gamers are almost all pieces of junk compared to what ToT) has. Testie, Mondi, SEn, TreK, rEVOLEr, XaiOzI, DaZe, Twisted and so on. That is probably one of the very best non-korean line-up's a team could have. oG) has some skill in Bj, pride, paul, and zergraptor but after those there really isn't a great deal of top talent on that team. Not the kind ToT) has. It is clear without their koreans oG) would not stand a chance vs. a lot of the clans they have been able to beat and that is why almost everyone has been flaming them for recruiting Sea. members. | ||
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Sadist
United States7189 Posts
Problem is not that they are koreans so much as. The sea. koreans are fags for the most part. They really dont like nonkoreans - white people. Smurfing as "WhitePig" only further proves as evidence for this | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On February 28 2006 18:23 Sadist wrote: Problem is not that they are koreans so much as. The sea. koreans are fags for the most part. They really dont like nonkoreans - white people. Smurfing as "WhitePig" only further proves as evidence for this Lol, I like the WhitePig smurf ;D His profile said something like 'A White Pig'. Damn art | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
On February 28 2006 10:30 IcedEarth wrote: I think all of you should read this, whether you agree with it or not: http://www.ogaming.org/zboard.php?id=oGaming&no=26 It's Funny to see that you call everyone (in oG) wesite) "Korean-Haters". | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
"An admin from WGT posted in a recent WGT news : “As usual, oGaming employed a team consisting of several Sea. Member” The “several” I can understand but the “usual” is a bit off track." oG used 16 Korean members out of 36 possible 1v1 matches and 9 Koreans out of 18 for 2v2 matches. The first 5 matches was 13/20 and 8/10 (went 4-1). The last 4 matches was 3/16 and 1/8 (went 2-2). (Wins vs 3D/RSgaming, Losses vs MgZ/eSa) | ||
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
On February 28 2006 19:14 FunKiE wrote: It's Funny to see that you call everyone (in oG) wesite) "Korean-Haters". I was also confused/pissed at the time. Now I'm just mildly depressed about the whole matter. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
oG) is a fine team for the most part. They are not so skilled but more a nice family with a couple talented gamers. Breakdown, BJ, Bounce, Dragon, and others seem very close and it's an ok team & I got along fine with most oG) as they were very nice. They never claimed to be the best. Though they (Freezer and a few others) did defend their Sea. members when we always teased them about, "why is this oG) isn't this vs Sea.?" No offense Freezer, but let's face it. It is not like oG) members practice with Sea. members on a regular basis and that's evident due to the vast difference in skill. The sole blame is upon the management, and Sea. Sea. was one of the only clans in ToT) vs koreans that really got on our nerves remember. And to be quite honest there may be another possible solution that may be worse for oG) and humbling for oG). Yet it will also give the rest of their team who had nothing to do with this a chance. I'm conflicted as to whether we should punish the entire team for a mistake on management and their korean counterparts. This is out of pure generosity to oG). Your korean members have shown a complete disregard for the rules. Your management has been a bit on the shady side as well. Personally, in hindsight perhaps I think a lot of people are being too rough on them. However, should we be rough on them because of what they have done or to partially discourage future teams from using shady characters in their clan wars? I say oG) should have their sea. members banned, and be forced to play the rest of this season, and the next without Sea. This would do two things. 1. Punish the Sea. members without fully punishing the rest of their team. From our own experiences with Sea. they have shown no respect, or shown any attempt to be friendly, or shown a high regard for the rules. Account sharing is not something semi-professional koreans are at all unfamiliar with. They know better. 2. It would perhaps humble oG)'s management and give the rest of their team a chance to be forgiven and not be targets for flame. They are right. Zia nor BlackJack, or most of their members deserve no flame for this. Show better character than those you condemn I say. And hopefully allow it to catch on and spread. If it doesn't, it was worth the effort and worth the try. And Dev, it was a nice dodge. But i'll take the bait & humiliate in process as you seem to need some humility. Who do you think you're talking to when you say I, or we can't get koreans to join ToT)? We are just very confident in our own members abilities and would be disgraced if we had a professional gamer team lineup representing us. We prefer to get by on our own merits and i'm quite sure that if koreans had their choice of practice partners from any team, they'd choose ToT) & MyM. As they seem to be the ones doing the best in tournaments. Ever since they were created it's been mostly ToT) & MyM. bringing down big tournaments or showmatches. Including invites to Blizzcon and WWI. 3 of the 8 invites were ToT) members. Edit: I hope I get some feedback on the topic of punishment mostly here. That's what is most interesting to discuss. I personally like my idea. But perhaps it should be stronger? Discuss. Dear Testie, Write shorter posts, Regards, Team STFU. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
I am torn on further punishment. One part of me feels an example needs to be set and a lesson learned. The lesson should be that "teams must be responsible for their members actions." I believe Mondragon received a 1 Playday ban for some of his players comments but thats irrelevant. Since this happened a second time, removal for the rest of the playoffs plus next season. If an example isn't set, this could set some type of precedent and who knows what a team will pull next, either by accident or intentionally. On the other hand, this is only one member who did it and penalizing the whole team is a bit extreme. This is a really tough call to make but I believe Lonic will make the right decision in this case. | ||
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TheBlackJack
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
If you are going to let untrustworthy people into your team, or people you do not even know who have made a mistake and not punish them yourself the first time around... stating explicitly it may not happen again. Remember, with my punishment we are being forgiving and giving freezer the benefit of the doubt. Not something everyone would do. Because it's easy to say it's a facade & something to save face. But I genuinely believe it, to an extent. I believe one of the times the management was fully aware the first time? We have not even checked their other clan wars to see if there are more incidents. We could though..? Negative points is not enough of a punishment & a bad one imo. But a ban from both seasons may be too much. And a ban from the playoffs somewhat ruins what we have in place. Banning Sea. is a beautiful solution. Their other gamers are not quite innocent puppy dogs. Koreans know when other koreans are sharing accounts. You do not just stumble upon your friends passwords all the time The rest of Sea. was very likely not ignorant of the fact but just didn't give a damn. Sea.Man their leader / co-ordinator is one of the most dispicable people i've met on west. Perhaps if they bring in mercs again, they should bring in ones of better repute, get to know them first and make them fully aware of the rules. Stating explicitly that they will not be allowed to let anyone else use their name and so forth. I think my other ToT) members may disagree and think i'm too lenient. & yeah, that's what i'm worried about. Setting a precedent. But, perhaps we should let them off the hook with my idea. It humiliates them, yet lets them play with their remaining players who are very likely eager to play. Next time state explicitly that the next time this happens in SCCL, there will be no warnings and this was out of the confusion of this situation. The next team that has, "confusion" will be tossed out on its ass. As for the precedent if some team says, "well oG) did it! & Our situation is even more confusing!!" we simply tell them to grow the fuck up, they aren't 4 & they should have a better hold on their members if they want to be in a league like this. If you don't know or trust your members, you'd better re-evaluate your team. We can use the parent argument that still stands today despite any precedents. "Yes, your sister got a dolly for christmas after she fucked up, but you can't get one too because you should have known better." They should have known better anyway but again, i'm lenient. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27125 Posts
oG) I am for hire if you want to finish this season strong ok? Very reasonable price and I guarantee results. | ||
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Mr.Testie
973 Posts
Good to see you again grandpa-dinosaur. Ok, for that jab, next time we meet the meal's on me. Sorry for reminding everyone if it was forgotten. =] Did you guys know that this excellent Manifesto paid for a dinner for us once that ran over $100? Anyone who dislikes him has beef from coming to them from an internet nerd in the middle region of Ontario Canada. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Examples have to be set, and the management is totally responsible for the actions of their members. That's why mondragon didn't complain at all when he was banned for a playday when our team got punished for the bad manners from strafe. He took responsibility being the leader. | ||
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HumbleZealot
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ArCNeON(TE)
Finland134 Posts
On February 28 2006 13:27 dev wrote: iG. has korenas in their team and i believe one of them is semi pro? MyM has 2 ACTUAL pro gamers PJ and Lx living in korea. does anyone care? no all u must pick on og simply becuase you don't like the fact that some sea members joined ogaming and they are able to walk over you guys. I'm not talking about the account sharing we all know that was wrong but before the account sharing. why so much hate... so much... what makes us different then any other team? last time I checked a team was made of a bunch of players and it didn't matter where they were from. if a team does not admit someone becuase of where they are from well i feel sorry for that team. ogaming has always had players from korea and nothing will change that. you like starcraft and you play compativitly you are welcome to join our team. simple as that. They aren't whining about oG coz you got koreans, they're whining coz you hired them VERY HIGH LIKELY for one & only one reason, SCCL. I don't have anything against koreans, I like great players in all leagues, otherwise it doesn't give satisfaction of the victory, incase I'd sometime succeed in one And as I have said before, from a clan leaders view. If you look at the Top foreigner scene and start looking for members to recruit, there's maybe 0-1% you could possibly get anymore. It's frustrating & takes a lot time, oG didn't have this time in my opinnion, to get top players for SCCL. I think it was a good call to get great korean players, I don't see anything wrong in it, infact I think it was really smart & they surely have gained profit from it. Excluding these incidents of course ^^ Koreans are really hard to control and that is one of their downside in a clan. I read Freezer's post on oG site and if all that is true, although you are responsible for this incident as being a leader, it wasn't your fault. You shouldn't feel bad ;o Just handle it, korean screwed you over & didn't care about your clan. Don't resign. Stay in oG leader if they just let you (they should!) and ban this guy. He obviously doesn't have any moral when it comes to oG). (Unless his brother also knew nothing about this :O(jang)). There's no point blaming urself imo, everyone makes mistakes :/ Good luck ! | ||
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ArCNeON(TE)
Finland134 Posts
On February 28 2006 18:04 sMaCkEr wrote: i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right? iG.Probe played PGTour A+ 2 season in a row before he went to army. Bong as 90% (lol) of whole iG plays with fake ID ladders. We can face our koreans on west everyday and they come time to time on euro to play with us. They've been longer in the clan than prob 70-80% other iG's. Think a little before you write :/ You most likely dont see any other iG than Gorky playing ladders with iG tag eiher lol ;d And Gorky most likely only does it to gain "respect" from great stats after bashing mass amount noobs Well it's our gorky ;d | ||
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Dinnin[pG]
China70 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
hopefully everyone will get off oG's case now | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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BinGBonG[gamei]
Netherlands514 Posts
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VorteXXX
United States430 Posts
On March 01 2006 05:13 HumbleZealot wrote: Plus eSa. and mYm. were formed a while before ESL SCCL was started, they were not created with SCCL in mind. Even if there was no SCCL, they still would have been made. thats not true | ||
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Dinnin[pG]
China70 Posts
On March 01 2006 06:02 BinGBonG[gamei] wrote: that must be the game ig.byulnamoo vs sea.leta, normally he never lost vs leta o.o Jang played on Leta's account. I compared the replays one by one and I am certain it wasnt Leta, therefore it was a rather easy decision for us to kick them. Jy was not kicked - Why? He left Sea. a while ago, but he stayed with oG). (Dont know if he rejoined Sea.) | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
The penalty seems just about right. | ||
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taDa
575 Posts
On March 01 2006 04:47 YsL_hr wrote: MyM, and Esa was maid few days, months before sccl...... I meant that they didn t have competion before that...there were Tot and pG..... and underrated iG... And Esa, Mym pay ppl to play for them....oG didn t do that for koreans...even if they ll share prizes...and i can t see why it would be different from sponsoring mym or Esa... who even don t exist anymore (esa)..... Only thing that's different is that oG) koreans r better then mym sponsored players...... Don't spread speculation. SW) and SOL. have been around for a long time bud -- they found the right sponsor hence the name change. It took a while, but they got it done. All these teams could land Koreans, but they chose not to for several good reasons. Real easy to assume. | ||
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MgZ)ResT
France60 Posts
For the SCCL next season a new rule should be made for the korean. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I hope we can continue the season with this lesson learned. | ||
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
On February 28 2006 18:04 sMaCkEr wrote: i never see iG.Bong and others iG koreans playing ladders pgt/wgt under iG tags or playing some games on europe just come for cw's right? Actually, iG.ByulNamoo has played even WGT ladder with iG. tag... and iv'e seen them play numerousssssss a lottt of times vs arcneon kaaz drukentiger and well vs myself when i still cared to become better ^_^, so talking when u have no clue what ur talking about is... well... doh | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
2004-12-23 -.- | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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