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venom0us
United States60 Posts
On September 24 2011 12:12 Synapze wrote: An organization like KESPA on a global scale would be ideal in my opinion. That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Saw this coming though, too much controversy surrounding SC2Con. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
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tiaz
Sweden231 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3452 Posts
Does there have to be a con? It's necessary? | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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pecore
Germany62 Posts
I don't think a more 'strict' organization would be helpful at all. It would most certainly lead to all the bad stuff that happened with KeSPA as well.... I believe strongly that stability for players can be achieved without one all powerful governing body, which would naturally begin to abuse this power sooner rather than later (because it's business). Probably the best way to protect players interests would be very strict contracts between players and teams, and not an organization that does as it pleases. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On September 24 2011 16:54 Trozz wrote: Didn't expect this. Does there have to be a con? It's necessary? There needs to be a union for progamers to look out for their best interests. Kespa failed at that pretty hard and SC2Con just didnt have any balls to do anything. May just be the communist part of me talking however. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
On September 24 2011 17:24 infinity2k9 wrote: People focus on the stupid small things KeSPA did that annoy people like referee decisions. Look at the bigger picture and the stability it provides to everyone. In my opinion an organization like this is essential at some point, every sport has to have a governing body. This sounds about right^^ | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On September 24 2011 15:38 lizzard_warish wrote: Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg. No, true sports exist as a competition for the participants first a foremost, and professionalism, sportsmanship and fairness will always come first; the entertainment for the audience comes second. What you're thinking of are fake sports like WWE. I understand that the American media had turn most of it's audience into drama-hungry beasts when it comes to sports, but please, the rest of the world doesn't need that type of "sport". Many of us still enjoy watching the actual competition aspect of sports, so please keep E-sport that way; if you want drama, there are a lot at the movie theaters. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On September 24 2011 17:53 Slakter wrote: There needs to be a union for progamers to look out for their best interests. Kespa failed at that pretty hard and SC2Con just didnt have any balls to do anything. May just be the communist part of me talking however. How do you figure this? Isn't having things like player drafts when a team disbands a positive thing.. the only thing you can argue that they do wrong in regards to players is how free agents work, but i'm pretty sure it's to help balance the teams out and stop all the top players being signed by a single team. If you are gonna argue 'omg they practice for so long' that's down to the teams themselves. But simply anyone who doesn't practice hard isn't even going to be a pro anyway in BW, you can't force a maximum practice time on people. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On September 24 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote: How do you figure this? Isn't having things like player drafts when a team disbands a positive thing.. the only thing you can argue that they do wrong in regards to players is how free agents work, but i'm pretty sure it's to help balance the teams out and stop all the top players being signed by a single team. If you are gonna argue 'omg they practice for so long' that's down to the teams themselves. But simply anyone who doesn't practice hard isn't even going to be a pro anyway in BW, you can't force a maximum practice time on people. Its more the fact that the lower level pros dont get paid enough for their work IMO. If Progaming had a strong union that cared more about the players I bet there would be a lot more discussion internally about players salaries. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
SC2Con was pretty toothless. It seems inevitable that Kespa will step in soon, especially considering the strength of the foreigner scene - though hopefully there will be a more balanced relationship between players, teams and sponsors. A mediator's what's needed. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3666 Posts
And than we should start working towards a global orginasation like kespa. | ||
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NewteN
United States179 Posts
What's the motivation behind their disbanding?? | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 24 2011 16:10 VPCursed wrote: ye and MLG is much more entertaining then GSL, granted GSL does have tastosis most of the time and Higher quality of play... MLG just is 100x more exciting for me. And it isnt allowed in MLG as well. "No ingame talk expect pregame sportmanship & forfeiting the game". All those "dont worry it's halo" or "you know those where hallus - fuck off" cases were against the rules and should've ended with a forfeit of the game. (Gameplay Rules 3 & 6) It's just that MLG doesnt give a shit about their rules as long as they benefit from them (more hype, drama, excitment). Yes, the rule is crap, but then you should remove the rule and not ignore it. On September 24 2011 17:24 infinity2k9 wrote: People focus on the stupid small things KeSPA did that annoy people like referee decisions. Look at the bigger picture and the stability it provides to everyone. In my opinion an organization like this is essential at some point, every sport has to have a governing body. I agree with this. Dont break over small rules (ppp incident). That stuff was stupid, yes. But as long as the rules are reasonable why not? Such an organization can benefit the players & the teams as well. i.e. with streamlined contracts rights & duties of the player & team). | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6185 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:50 GTR wrote: i don't understand why people have such a negative view of kespa being 'dictators'. it's not kespa, it's the corporate sponsors recognising that for their players to perform the best (therefore increasing exposure blah blah), they have to 'encourage' their players to play n hours a day. kespa don't control this at all, they just referee the industry. I don't see why you would want kespa in sc2 then anyway since they're controlled by the sponsors.. It doesn't really matter if they enforce it for themself or the corporations since the rules get enforced and I doubt a lot of people want that. | ||
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
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