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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
September 24 2011 13:50 GMT
#141
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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 14:01:42
September 24 2011 13:50 GMT
#142
On September 24 2011 22:46 Bobster wrote:
SC2con was dead in my eyes when I heard that they

1) were responsible for less Koreans in NASL because while only some of the teams weren't happy, everyone else had to bow out due to SC2con forcing "solidarity" - basically, if one team doesn't want to play, no one plays. Without SC2con, we would've had more Korean players than the 6 (on non-Korean teams) we have now, make no mistake.

2) do not allow pro players streaming. Disgusting that an organisation could make that decision for every team and every player instead of leaving it up to them.

3) did attempt to strong-arm FXO and choya to comply with their demands. They had no right and no control to intervene in internal team affairs like they did, and the way they tried to get their way was fucking shameful (harassment, threats, blackmail).



I agree, it was weird because personally I had never heard of sc2con untill the NASL incident. Then all of a sudden for like 3 weeks straight there was a drama filled post about something wrong sc2con did. Not surprised FXO (not fxo korea) had the foresight to bounce when they did. This organization isn't needed IMO. Their demands were crazy, and they just kind of appeared out of no where assuming power. I bet teams like eg,liquid etc were like "Hey, wait a minute. Who the fuck put you in charge anyways?"

Of course, could be wrong entirely.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
September 24 2011 13:52 GMT
#143
Doesnt surprise me hopefully they dont return as kespa 2.0 that could continue to cause problems :/
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
September 24 2011 13:54 GMT
#144
Time for Gespa to emerge!
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 24 2011 14:02 GMT
#145
as long as some teams are strong enough to don't play along they should be fine ^^. I wouldn't mind if the emporer himself would take control over the esport xD. But anything else will turn into kespa, good at the beginning, but at the end impossible to burn it down to the corrupted roots.
Krimancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden150 Posts
September 24 2011 14:10 GMT
#146
need kespa 2.0
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
September 24 2011 14:28 GMT
#147
This is the best decision they have ever had
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
September 24 2011 14:54 GMT
#148
This is such good news.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
September 24 2011 15:00 GMT
#149
Unsurprising and good for SC2. Sc2Con was a weak and unprofessional organisation (e.g. their treatment of Coach Lee and handling of the NASL saga).
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
September 24 2011 15:01 GMT
#150
On September 24 2011 22:46 Bobster wrote:
SC2con was dead in my eyes when I heard that they

1) were responsible for less Koreans in NASL because while only some of the teams weren't happy, everyone else had to bow out due to SC2con forcing "solidarity" - basically, if one team doesn't want to play, no one plays. Without SC2con, we would've had more Korean players than the 6 (on non-Korean teams) we have now, make no mistake.


Auctally sc2con wasn't involved in that decision at all, and had nothing to do with it. It was all the teams talking together about it and mr. Chae being the front man (so to speak)
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
September 24 2011 15:21 GMT
#151
I think this is good. If there is going to be a governing body at all it needs to be one with more influence than sc2con had. That being said, I dont want kespa in SC2. Would be nice if all teams could come together and make a union or something and let the players do the same and make a players union. I think that would benefit everyone involved.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
September 24 2011 15:23 GMT
#152
I am ambivalent. While SC2Con has been clumsy and heavy handed somtimes, it is still better than a totalitarian Kespa -.- idk~
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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
September 24 2011 15:27 GMT
#153
Hopefully this will allow things to be a bit smoother in the future and a new better company or way of thought will step in.
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Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
September 24 2011 15:39 GMT
#154
Cool, stuck with KeSpa again
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:25:15
September 24 2011 16:22 GMT
#155
On September 24 2011 12:12 Synapze wrote:
An organization like KESPA on a global scale would be ideal in my opinion.


As long as they're less autocratic more flexible about the rules and more flexible about allowing decent change within the esport scene than KeSPA, I'm cool with a global Starcraft II organisation.

Although I see Blizzard more as one, seeing as Battle.net seems to be claiming rights over broadcasting and holding tournaments for prizes larger than $5,000.

A good example of a global organisation that regulates sports is FIFA. However, there have been allegations of corruption within the organisation and they've been quite reluctant to introduce change (like goal line technology) when it's clearly better than having referees not see a goal then disallow it.
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 16:28:12
September 24 2011 16:27 GMT
#156
I dont totally see why people feel the need for Kespa in the place of sc2con. I dont personally have a problem with the way they operated because frankly I dont know enough about the subject to comment, but involving a specifically Korean group into the sc2 scene just seems unhelpful. Whilst starcraft 2 might be the successor to starcraft, it seems to me that it's scene is largely built upon the teams and organisations of games like wc3, 1.6 etc. and their leagues and tournaments such as ESL, DH and MLG (from halo/console obv). Its a market that's been growing at a relatively ok pace so far, even if games are gradually replaced with newer to capture newer markets, but so far the leagues and teams havent been doing a terrible job of organising themselves.

I can see that perhaps a degree of organisation might be beneficial but its not Korea's place to try and legislate on a global scale. To a degree, Korea has only just arrived at a party thats been going on for a decade already and they should buy into a play by their hosts rules. Kespa not required.
Scorch[DeltA]
Profile Joined August 2011
Mexico41 Posts
September 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#157
I'll be interested to see what happens with the hole they are leaving behind. If something like Kepsa can take up that role, AND get along with blizzard, that'd be great.
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skiptomylou1231
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
September 24 2011 16:54 GMT
#158
I just hope that some of these Korean players can stream their ladder matches now.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11384 Posts
September 24 2011 17:05 GMT
#159
On September 24 2011 12:15 lbmaian wrote:
I was half expecting this:
1) Notable teams weren't in it (Slayers, FXO).
2) There was too much controversy surrounding it.
3) It had no power, and the rules it seemed to try to make where never strictly followed. For ex, I think they discourage streaming, but StarTale let's their players do so.

On the other hand, I have mixed feelings about Kespa. They have done some absolutely ridiculous shit. The battle between Kespa and Blizzard was just greedy and spiteful beyond belief (both sides lost).

But Kespa governing SC2 would bring an air of "legitimacy". It would also pave the way for BW players to freely transfer to SC2 without losing their "progaming status" (whatever that means).


SC2Con sounds like the League of Nations of Starcraft. Next up- a war between players and teams and then United Nations!
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Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
September 24 2011 17:11 GMT
#160
i think it was better for the teams to rule themselves with some kind of improved SC2con than a new organization like mst people say , wich would probably be a bunch of suits that only care about the money $$
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