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On September 24 2011 14:53 shrinkmaster wrote:
Maybe i'm just a little bit paranoid, but i see the possibility that kespa, blizzard and sc2con are already negotiating about a possible umbrella organization for starcraft. If this is the case then the disbanding of sc2con would be the logical first step.
On the contrary we need to look at the current state of kespa - blizzard relations, which quite frankly are pretty demolished. I think it all depends on Blizzards view on future developements in the korean esports market and the possible growth of esports in the west.
I guess only time will tell....
IIRC rumours were saying that they are not that bad anymore(their relationship) but yeah only time will tell...
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Big shock. I think there needs to be an organization wherein teams can communicate with one another, but a body that can enforce decisions can also enforce arbitrary or unfair decisions. I think it's best to restrain an organization to a mediator role and let the teams figure stuff out for themselves.
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On September 24 2011 14:31 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 12:50 Defacer wrote:On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.
Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively. As has been stated multiple times, stop spreading lies. SC2con didn't force anything, it was a decision by the players and teams themselves.
Yes, all the players and teams independently decided not to communicate with NASL on an individual basis and demand for their travel expenses to be be paid less then two weeks in advance of the broadcast schedule.
Don't be naive.
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I definitely agree with the point that there needs to be some sort of an organization in order for SC2 to grow. As much as people complain about Kespa, they made what BW is today.
A crappy government (US, China, etc) is a lot better than having none imo.
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On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo
It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.
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On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.
True though. Imagine Zenio drop a bomb on IdrA and he quit the game instantly lol
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On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.
how is it unfair? any advantage you can get, as long as its legal, seems fair to me. If my opponents wants to react and get mad because of what i typed at him, thats his fault
i didnt put a gun to his head and make him respond, he could have chosen to ignore me completely and then i would have just been wasting my time, distracted from what i should be focusing on
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On September 24 2011 15:21 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 14:31 dabom88 wrote:On September 24 2011 12:50 Defacer wrote:On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.
Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively. As has been stated multiple times, stop spreading lies. SC2con didn't force anything, it was a decision by the players and teams themselves. Yes, all the players and teams independently decided not to communicate with NASL on an individual basis and demand for their travel expenses to be be paid less then two weeks in advance of the broadcast schedule. Don't be naive.
You do realize only 3 of the 7 teams were in SC2Con that pulled out?
So you're saying the other 4 teams(noteably SlayerS and FXO) said no because they want to follow the SC2Con's rules despite FXO fighting against SC2Con?
You don't be so naive. Most teams have stated why their players are not going to participate. Mainly time-zone, tournament expenses and language barrier issues. I think you are looking into something that has been looked into to death.
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Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg.
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On September 24 2011 15:38 lizzard_warish wrote:
Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg.
Ya but hockey players are penalized via power play, and sometimes even kicked out of the game, so yes they are punished.
A better example is trash talking between players during a game; for example, Zidane's headbutt at the 06 World Cup was a result of Materazzi trash talking him. Many sports outlets have called Matteratzi out for being unsportsmanlike and tended to be sympathetic towards Zidane after everyone heard what happened (though Zidane was an admired player and was retiring so that did add in)
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Hopefully they can eventually get a new organization somehow. We appreciate all their efforts to organize things, and foreigner relations have not made things easier for them, I'm sure. I do hope they keep things open to foreigners, but welcome any structure that may come in the future.
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On September 24 2011 15:43 Jebusrocks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 15:38 lizzard_warish wrote:
Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg. Ya but hockey players are penalized via power play, and sometimes even kicked out of the game, so yes they are punished. A better example is trash talking between players during a game; for example, Zidane's headbutt at the 06 World Cup was a result of Materazzi trash talking him. Many sports outlets have called Matteratzi out for being unsportsmanlike and tended to be sympathetic towards Zidane after everyone heard what happened (though Zidane was an admired player and was retiring so that did add in)
But the thing is that most of the time that trahtalk stays between the players, and when stuff like the Zidane Headbut happen people usually don´t like it.
I honestly don´t know why people want to see WWE style trashtalking, especially when BM is not usually that witty anyways. To each his own I guess but I don´t really get pumped when idra calls someone bad haha
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No surprise, seemed like a joke of an organization anyways. The idea behind it is solid, but the execution seemed pathetic.
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On September 24 2011 15:32 Mcleod21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it. how is it unfair? any advantage you can get, as long as its legal, seems fair to me. If my opponents wants to react and get mad because of what i typed at him, thats his fault i didnt put a gun to his head and make him respond, he could have chosen to ignore me completely and then i would have just been wasting my time, distracted from what i should be focusing on
I'd rather not turn e-sports into reality TV.
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On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.
ye and MLG is much more entertaining then GSL, granted GSL does have tastosis most of the time and Higher quality of play... MLG just is 100x more exciting for me.
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Some kind of organisation is needed imo...i hope something gets sorted out in the future
the more esports looks to real sport in terms of organisation the better it will be in the future imo
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why exactly do people feel that something like Kespa is needed?
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For me , it seems quite bad . But in the other side, it was a bit utopic . We will see what comes in the future.
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On September 24 2011 16:12 JustPassingBy wrote:
why exactly do people feel that something like Kespa is needed?
Organization is good. Rules are good. They lead to legitimacy. Look at all the bull shit that goes on in the scene right now. Kespa is far from perfect. But something is needed. Teams need to band together as well as players, just like in major sports. The NFL wouldn't be where it is today without the organization it has.
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This post probably means that Kespa 2.0 is forming from the remains of s2con
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