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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 24 2011 06:11 GMT
#81
On September 24 2011 14:53 shrinkmaster wrote:
Maybe i'm just a little bit paranoid, but i see the possibility that kespa, blizzard and sc2con are already negotiating about a possible umbrella organization for starcraft. If this is the case then the disbanding of sc2con would be the logical first step.

On the contrary we need to look at the current state of kespa - blizzard relations, which quite frankly are pretty demolished. I think it all depends on Blizzards view on future developements in the korean esports market and the possible growth of esports in the west.

I guess only time will tell....


IIRC rumours were saying that they are not that bad anymore(their relationship) but yeah only time will tell...
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
September 24 2011 06:16 GMT
#82
Big shock. I think there needs to be an organization wherein teams can communicate with one another, but a body that can enforce decisions can also enforce arbitrary or unfair decisions. I think it's best to restrain an organization to a mediator role and let the teams figure stuff out for themselves.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 24 2011 06:21 GMT
#83
On September 24 2011 14:31 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 12:50 Defacer wrote:
On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.

Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them


Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively.



As has been stated multiple times, stop spreading lies. SC2con didn't force anything, it was a decision by the players and teams themselves.


Yes, all the players and teams independently decided not to communicate with NASL on an individual basis and demand for their travel expenses to be be paid less then two weeks in advance of the broadcast schedule.

Don't be naive.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
September 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#84
I definitely agree with the point that there needs to be some sort of an organization in order for SC2 to grow. As much as people complain about Kespa, they made what BW is today.

A crappy government (US, China, etc) is a lot better than having none imo.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
September 24 2011 06:25 GMT
#85
On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo

It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 24 2011 06:31 GMT
#86
On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo

It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.

True though. Imagine Zenio drop a bomb on IdrA and he quit the game instantly lol
Mcleod21
Profile Joined July 2011
Jamaica29 Posts
September 24 2011 06:32 GMT
#87
On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo

It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.


how is it unfair? any advantage you can get, as long as its legal, seems fair to me. If my opponents wants to react and get mad because of what i typed at him, thats his fault

i didnt put a gun to his head and make him respond, he could have chosen to ignore me completely and then i would have just been wasting my time, distracted from what i should be focusing on
"Minigun going hard in the paint" -Frodan
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
September 24 2011 06:37 GMT
#88
On September 24 2011 15:21 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 14:31 dabom88 wrote:
On September 24 2011 12:50 Defacer wrote:
On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.

Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them


Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively.



As has been stated multiple times, stop spreading lies. SC2con didn't force anything, it was a decision by the players and teams themselves.


Yes, all the players and teams independently decided not to communicate with NASL on an individual basis and demand for their travel expenses to be be paid less then two weeks in advance of the broadcast schedule.

Don't be naive.


You do realize only 3 of the 7 teams were in SC2Con that pulled out?

So you're saying the other 4 teams(noteably SlayerS and FXO) said no because they want to follow the SC2Con's rules despite FXO fighting against SC2Con?

You don't be so naive. Most teams have stated why their players are not going to participate. Mainly time-zone, tournament expenses and language barrier issues. I think you are looking into something that has been looked into to death.
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lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
September 24 2011 06:38 GMT
#89
Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg.
Jebusrocks
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada62 Posts
September 24 2011 06:43 GMT
#90
On September 24 2011 15:38 lizzard_warish wrote:
Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg.


Ya but hockey players are penalized via power play, and sometimes even kicked out of the game, so yes they are punished.
A better example is trash talking between players during a game; for example, Zidane's headbutt at the 06 World Cup was a result of Materazzi trash talking him. Many sports outlets have called Matteratzi out for being unsportsmanlike and tended to be sympathetic towards Zidane after everyone heard what happened (though Zidane was an admired player and was retiring so that did add in)

0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 24 2011 07:00 GMT
#91
Hopefully they can eventually get a new organization somehow. We appreciate all their efforts to organize things, and foreigner relations have not made things easier for them, I'm sure. I do hope they keep things open to foreigners, but welcome any structure that may come in the future.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 24 2011 07:00 GMT
#92
On September 24 2011 15:43 Jebusrocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 15:38 lizzard_warish wrote:
Yeah...and who cares about professionalism? Seriously when hockey players are beating the hell out of eachother, who honestly responds with "ackh its so unprofessional!!". Sports, esports included, exist to entertain us. I'm entertained by friendly or hostile banter more than I am none...and vastly more so than watching people get kicked out because they dared to say something other than gg.


Ya but hockey players are penalized via power play, and sometimes even kicked out of the game, so yes they are punished.
A better example is trash talking between players during a game; for example, Zidane's headbutt at the 06 World Cup was a result of Materazzi trash talking him. Many sports outlets have called Matteratzi out for being unsportsmanlike and tended to be sympathetic towards Zidane after everyone heard what happened (though Zidane was an admired player and was retiring so that did add in)



But the thing is that most of the time that trahtalk stays between the players, and when stuff like the Zidane Headbut happen people usually don´t like it.

I honestly don´t know why people want to see WWE style trashtalking, especially when BM is not usually that witty anyways. To each his own I guess but I don´t really get pumped when idra calls someone bad haha
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 24 2011 07:01 GMT
#93
No surprise, seemed like a joke of an organization anyways. The idea behind it is solid, but the execution seemed pathetic.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 24 2011 07:02 GMT
#94
On September 24 2011 15:32 Mcleod21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:
On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo

It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.


how is it unfair? any advantage you can get, as long as its legal, seems fair to me. If my opponents wants to react and get mad because of what i typed at him, thats his fault

i didnt put a gun to his head and make him respond, he could have chosen to ignore me completely and then i would have just been wasting my time, distracted from what i should be focusing on


I'd rather not turn e-sports into reality TV.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
September 24 2011 07:10 GMT
#95
On September 24 2011 15:25 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 15:01 VPCursed wrote:
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo

It already isn't allowed in GSL. As much as you enjoy shit talking during games, it is in fact, unprofessional and unfair in a real tournament situation if you think about it.

ye and MLG is much more entertaining then GSL, granted GSL does have tastosis most of the time and Higher quality of play... MLG just is 100x more exciting for me.
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
September 24 2011 07:11 GMT
#96
Some kind of organisation is needed imo...i hope something gets sorted out in the future

the more esports looks to real sport in terms of organisation the better it will be in the future imo
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
September 24 2011 07:12 GMT
#97
why exactly do people feel that something like Kespa is needed?
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
September 24 2011 07:15 GMT
#98
For me , it seems quite bad . But in the other side, it was a bit utopic . We will see what comes in the future.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#99
On September 24 2011 16:12 JustPassingBy wrote:
why exactly do people feel that something like Kespa is needed?

Organization is good. Rules are good. They lead to legitimacy. Look at all the bull shit that goes on in the scene right now. Kespa is far from perfect. But something is needed. Teams need to band together as well as players, just like in major sports. The NFL wouldn't be where it is today without the organization it has.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 24 2011 07:36 GMT
#100
This post probably means that Kespa 2.0 is forming from the remains of s2con
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