• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:53
CEST 22:53
KST 05:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)8Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly5
StarCraft 2
General
Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014 Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 1/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3558 users

SC2Con disbands - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
240 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 Next All
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
September 25 2011 19:57 GMT
#201
I think this is a good thing for the growth of SC2 worldwide.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
September 25 2011 19:58 GMT
#202
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
September 25 2011 20:59 GMT
#203
Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization?
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
September 25 2011 21:03 GMT
#204
Yes, that happened for W3.
Thank God and gunrun.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 22:35:38
September 25 2011 22:17 GMT
#205
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote:
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.


Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh...

It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports.

(Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha)

Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen?

Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW.



villageidiot
Profile Joined May 2009
353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 23:19:14
September 25 2011 23:18 GMT
#206
Regarding B-teamers. Its not like code B or even code A players are paid in piles of gold either.
Good night sour prince. You won't be missed!
Hodgy
Profile Joined September 2011
United States64 Posts
September 26 2011 00:43 GMT
#207
Not sure what this site was. But I'm sure there will be others =P
"I'm not an asshole, I just don't give a fuck a lot." -Tyler the Creator
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
September 26 2011 01:31 GMT
#208
not the first people who say "we are the organisation for esport" without any power that disbands and not the last.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 26 2011 01:32 GMT
#209
Does this mean Koreans can compete in NASL Season 3?
Platinum Support GOD
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 26 2011 01:41 GMT
#210
On September 26 2011 07:17 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote:
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.


Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh...

It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports.

(Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha)

Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen?

Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW.





I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
September 26 2011 02:19 GMT
#211
On September 26 2011 10:41 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 07:17 wassbix wrote:
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote:
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.


Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh...

It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports.

(Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha)

Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen?

Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW.





I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points.


I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 26 2011 02:37 GMT
#212
On September 26 2011 11:19 MildSeven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 10:41 windsupernova wrote:
On September 26 2011 07:17 wassbix wrote:
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote:
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.


Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh...

It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports.

(Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha)

Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen?

Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW.





I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points.


I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock.


The sponsors don´t suck ¨KESPA-cock¨ if anything they are the ones behind the power of Kespa. But oh well I agree in that foreign teams will make things a little bit more complicated but oh well we can only hope for the best
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
September 26 2011 03:42 GMT
#213
Good. From what little interaction they had wit hteams, it seemed like they were super terrible at doing their jobs, and it seems like they're hte main reason we have few koreans in the nasl.

Good riddance.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 04:21:28
September 26 2011 04:19 GMT
#214
On September 26 2011 05:59 nalgene wrote:
Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization?


Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course.
sevns
Profile Joined September 2011
China1 Post
September 26 2011 06:46 GMT
#215
--- Nuked ---
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 26 2011 06:52 GMT
#216
I'm happy about this. i didnt like the idea of another kespa for sc2. especially only a year from the games release
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
September 26 2011 10:30 GMT
#217
On September 26 2011 13:19 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 05:59 nalgene wrote:
Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization?


Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course.

Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa.

and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 26 2011 11:34 GMT
#218
On September 26 2011 11:19 MildSeven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 10:41 windsupernova wrote:
On September 26 2011 07:17 wassbix wrote:
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote:
with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in.


Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh...

It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports.

(Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha)

Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen?

Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW.





I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points.


I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock.

You know nothing about the BW scene and Kespa. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 12:12:44
September 26 2011 12:12 GMT
#219
On September 26 2011 19:30 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 13:19 Oktyabr wrote:
On September 26 2011 05:59 nalgene wrote:
Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization?


Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course.

Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa.

and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that.


Only WeMadeFox's BW division is part of KeSPA. It's actually the reason why Moon, Lyn, and Soccer (Fox's W3 team) were allowed to play sc2 while Fox's BW team were not.

Of course, given this development. Things will change soon.
Thank God and gunrun.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 13:44:00
September 26 2011 12:19 GMT
#220
On September 26 2011 19:30 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 13:19 Oktyabr wrote:
On September 26 2011 05:59 nalgene wrote:
Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization?


Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course.

Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa.

and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that.


You're implying that Kespa did something for the WC3 Korean players? They didn't have any form of license for them.

FOX took Moon in because he was a super star on his own right. He had a remarkable market value in the WC3 scene, and the team obviously believed that he was worth the investment. I can't really see how Kespa is in anyway responsible for Moon's salary.

Moon was on MYM for three years. He was paid that figure. In fact his incredulous salary on MYM back then was partly the reason why players like Lyn, Remind and Soju decided to leave Team WE, because they felt that they were underpaid by a huge margin when they all believed that they were capable of competing with Moon.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 324
NeuroSwarm 217
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 145
NaDa 35
Dota 2
Gorgc8810
League of Legends
Doublelift3626
JimRising 199
Counter-Strike
minikerr129
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu498
Other Games
tarik_tv1574
Mlord1142
B2W.Neo547
TKL 334
ToD282
XaKoH 145
Hui .125
Livibee43
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1079
angryscii20
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 60
• Hupsaiya 47
• davetesta31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix19
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Shiphtur478
• tFFMrPink 14
Upcoming Events
PiG Sty Festival
3h 7m
Afreeca Starleague
7h 7m
RSL Revival
12h 7m
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
15h 7m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 14h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W5
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSLAN 4
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.