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Sanguinarius
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On September 26 2011 04:58 MildSeven wrote: with the addition of foreign-korean hybrid teams, it will be difficult to establish a KESPA-like organization when foreign opinions are mixed in. Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh... It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports. (Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha) Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen? Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW. | ||
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villageidiot
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Hodgy
United States64 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On September 26 2011 07:17 wassbix wrote: Because foreigners love freedom so much that they would never ever ... *looks at NFL/NHL/FIFA* oh... It almost seems that all pro-level competition have some sort of governing organization to uphold a certain standard of professionalism. hmmm nope E-sport obviously don't need any of that, I'm sure sponsors are dying to pour money into a bottomless drama pit that is current E-sports. (Edit: lmaooo there is a thread under this where some "pro" calls another "pro" a "stupid gook" hahaha) Also, at Kespa mistreating the poor B-teamers, E-sport is niche and life of a pro-gamer (i mean real pro gamers not some dude streaming in his room) is fucking hard, but it has gotten a lot better than the days where Xellos needed to win a tourny to feed his teammates and OOV was happy to not pay PC-bangg fees to play bw. Guess who help make that happen? Look at W3, it had no organization and yeah some players got paid well, but they also bankrupted their team and 90% played had no real salaries, until the chinese boom and even then its not stable as BW pros. Most Sc2 "pros" don't have salaries. Yet, no one is crying for them, because they don't have an easy target to point a finger at and yell at, like we do in BW. I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points. | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On September 26 2011 10:41 windsupernova wrote: I just need to point out how much I agree with this post and how he makes a lot of valid points. I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On September 26 2011 11:19 MildSeven wrote: I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock. The sponsors don´t suck ¨KESPA-cock¨ if anything they are the ones behind the power of Kespa. But oh well I agree in that foreign teams will make things a little bit more complicated but oh well we can only hope for the best | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
Good riddance. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 26 2011 05:59 nalgene wrote: Is it possible to get a player who gets paid 200k+ per year before any winnings/advertisements included without that organization? Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course. | ||
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sevns
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Champi
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On September 26 2011 13:19 Oktyabr wrote: Moon had a $200k annual salary while he was on WeMadeFox. I believe he was earning $10K a month while he was on MYM. But then everyone back then was complaining about how MYM was spoiling the market anyway. I'm referring to the times when he was contracted for W3, of course. Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa. and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On September 26 2011 11:19 MildSeven wrote: I agree, but i didn't point out foreign input as a problem for Kespa-like organization becasue of foreign freedom of expression, etc etc, but because of Kespa being state-connected. The function and control of their foreign team enterprise by a organization that even though is only minimally linked to the state's ministry may feel sketchy. Many pre-conditions will required to be discussed, don't expect it to be exact same as BW Kespa where the teams and companies are on their knees sucking on KEspa-cock. You know nothing about the BW scene and Kespa. Please stop spreading misinformation. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On September 26 2011 19:30 rasers wrote: Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa. and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that. Only WeMadeFox's BW division is part of KeSPA. It's actually the reason why Moon, Lyn, and Soccer (Fox's W3 team) were allowed to play sc2 while Fox's BW team were not. Of course, given this development. Things will change soon. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 26 2011 19:30 rasers wrote: Yup on WeMadeFox and we all know WeMadeFox was part of what? yes right Kespa. and MYM went down right after the contracts so i doubt they paid him that. You're implying that Kespa did something for the WC3 Korean players? They didn't have any form of license for them. FOX took Moon in because he was a super star on his own right. He had a remarkable market value in the WC3 scene, and the team obviously believed that he was worth the investment. I can't really see how Kespa is in anyway responsible for Moon's salary. Moon was on MYM for three years. He was paid that figure. In fact his incredulous salary on MYM back then was partly the reason why players like Lyn, Remind and Soju decided to leave Team WE, because they felt that they were underpaid by a huge margin when they all believed that they were capable of competing with Moon. | ||
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