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The_Piper42
United States426 Posts
On September 24 2011 12:12 Synapze wrote: An organization like KESPA on a global scale would be ideal in my opinion. Please tell me you're trolling... I really disagree with this statement on so many levels. | ||
ArvickHero
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:11 Alkior wrote: What is Kespa and what did they do to make everyone hate them. Isint an organization good? They handle all the business crap and what not? Also why does everyone hate sc2con too? the reason ppl hate kespa was because they had to enforce some of the rules they place which was stupid such as the ppp and the free agent crap, but some fail to see the fact that kespa is central to the structure and running of pro BW without kespa BW today and even SC2 would not be part of the korean culture. I myself dislike many of their decisions in the past but the fact is that they have a set rule and stuck to it shows how kespa is very organize and professional. And in the past year kespa didnt really mess up at all iirc. edit: kespa is the ruling body of e-sports in korean mainly BW | ||
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price
United States297 Posts
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mtn
729 Posts
Every sport has it's Association and SC2 will need it too, or It will all go downhill - Sooner or later. There is no Rules whatsoever right now. Players/Teams are doing what ever they want and we see more of that every day. PS. Do you even imagine NBA/NFL/NHL or any other sport without "big guys" taking care of rules and everything? | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37122 Posts
Bye SC2Con.... | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Or is it that previous exclusivity of high caliber players to Korean centric tournaments created a good platform to sell tickets and have higher online viewership numbers. With their players going abroad, foreign leagues will reap the rewards of having the highest caliber players participating and the possible cost of overlapping with a Korean tournament, thus losing viewers and sponsorship money to their own top tier players playing for the competition. Or is it perhaps that some organizations have the money to invest in foreign leagues and teams, and visa versa, and they are nervous that this will stagnate the Korean development if focus is no longer inside Korea? Whatever the case, it sounds like this wasn't a happy break up, and is likely to yield some kind of stricter representative force either in Korea, or possibly Globally. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:11 Alkior wrote: What is Kespa and what did they do to make everyone hate them. Isint an organization good? They handle all the business crap and what not? Also why does everyone hate sc2con too? KESPA is just like a dictator. They treat players like slaves and control each aspect of each team. That's why a lot of players doesn't want to do anything with them. Like Idra (teamless), doesn't want to be in a team that is related to KESPA. Also some of their rules are just stupid, not logical and utterly non sense. Sc2con is kinda KESPA wannabee but with no real power. They are so rash on deciding things and backfire in the end (see TSL and FXO drama). | ||
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:22 price wrote: i wonder if it would be best if blizzard created an organization within the company to manage this kind of thing. they could also provide support for other games as well if other blizzard games become as competitive ... surely they see the need for this to help their product grow I definitely think this would be best. Blizzard should start a regulating body for the entire world of SC2 and include some kind of pro-team representation in the decision making process. They could establish official rules and protocol for player contracts and transfers that would help to eliminate PuMa/Stephano type situations. Blizzard already has some basic regulations for all SC2 tournaments, don't they? | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
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GTR
51707 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:41 DarkRise wrote: KESPA is just like a dictator. They treat players like slaves and control each aspect of each team. That's why a lot of players doesn't want to do anything with them. Like Idra (teamless), doesn't want to be in a team that is related to KESPA. Also some of their rules are just stupid, not logical and utterly non sense. Sc2con is kinda KESPA wannabee but with no real power. They are so rash on deciding things and backfire in the end (see TSL and FXO drama). i don't understand why people have such a negative view of kespa being 'dictators'. it's not kespa, it's the corporate sponsors recognising that for their players to perform the best (therefore increasing exposure blah blah), they have to 'encourage' their players to play n hours a day. kespa don't control this at all, they just referee the industry. | ||
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krews
United States1308 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
Kespa is an organization that was created to "represents" the players, but what is really behind Kespa are the corporations that sponsor and support BW teams I doubt any of those corporations sponsor a SC2 team. there is no reason for Kespa to transfer to SC2 until some of the corporations behind Kespa essentially own the SC2 teams. | ||
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
But I really hope I'm wrong. Edit: the line that scares me is the one about them not being able to enforce their decisions on players. The flags this raises is that if they want to be able to enforce their will, they will have to have some form of leverage over players, which leads me to think that they will go the same was as Kespa with licences for players that they can threaten to revoke. Licences were also hard as shit to get so goodbye new players and foreigner competition. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On September 24 2011 13:22 mtn wrote: KeSPA brings stability, and Professionalism into BW esports. Sometimes they are forcing/making a mistake and that's how it is in - everything. Every sport has it's Association and SC2 will need it too, or It will all go downhill - Sooner or later. There is no Rules whatsoever right now. Players/Teams are doing what ever they want and we see more of that every day. PS. Do you even imagine NBA/NFL/NHL or any other sport without "big guys" taking care of rules and everything? you really compare tournaments in sc2 to leagues in real life ? what is wrong if there are no rules ? what kind of rules are you talking about anyway ? starcraft has alredy its rules on "how to win a game" , and each tournament have specific rules aswel , if you think we need an organisation for players and teams , why ? what can bring right now an organization ? i rly dont see anything that we lack off . we have competitive teams competitive players , sponsors , coaches , managers , training houses , tournaments . organizations suck so much they only bring drama and force to apply stupid rules ( only in korea cuz only there they are able to do so ) . p.s. i rly wanna see an organization that come in europe and try to "force" teams and players to do certain things . FREEDOM ftw. User was warned for this post | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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slicknav
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