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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
September 24 2011 05:08 GMT
#61
So what does this mean Koreans can go to NASL next season? Or are they going to form another organization...

I did not really expect Sc2Con to disband ; hopefully its for the better of E-Sports as a whole.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 05:11:24
September 24 2011 05:10 GMT
#62
aw that's sad

are they quitting on blizzard, or does blizzard know?

cus didn't blizzard authorize SC2Con or something?

edit:

Also, when they say they are dissolving but will work to help/create, may be they just mean "SC2Con" is dissolving but most or all of the people will simply create a "new" organization with new goal/purpose/approach, etc.?
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theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 24 2011 05:11 GMT
#63
If they form KESPA 2.0, foreign teams will never be able to send anybody to the GSL because nobody will be good enough to win a pro gaming license.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 24 2011 05:16 GMT
#64
It will be a challenge to prevent KesPa 2.0 without losing structure, but I think if Coach Lee works hard we can do this!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
September 24 2011 05:20 GMT
#65
On September 24 2011 14:11 theBizness wrote:
If they form KESPA 2.0, foreign teams will never be able to send anybody to the GSL because nobody will be good enough to win a pro gaming license.


That is only if they place a similar system like before. It wouldn't make sense in this stage of the game. Besides, they would be idiots if they alienated... AN ENTIRE GLOBE. They should promote foreigners getting better and playing in their leagues. All they have to do is look at GOM's numbers of foreigner playing vs not.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
September 24 2011 05:22 GMT
#66
On September 24 2011 14:11 theBizness wrote:
If they form KESPA 2.0, foreign teams will never be able to send anybody to the GSL because nobody will be good enough to win a pro gaming license.


you don't need a pro-gaming liscense to enter the GSL tho...
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Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
September 24 2011 05:29 GMT
#67
I know this might sound strange but.. does this mean that they have denied themselves a chance at NASL season 2 for nothing? I mean some of those players might be willing to put up with the various conditions, whereas them coming together to make a collective bargain meant that none of them could go ahead should the bargain fail.

I'm guessing that some Koreans might try again in the subsequent qualifiers.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
September 24 2011 05:31 GMT
#68
On September 24 2011 12:50 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.

Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them


Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively.



As has been stated multiple times, stop spreading lies. SC2con didn't force anything, it was a decision by the players and teams themselves.
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theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 24 2011 05:31 GMT
#69
If they were to make a KESPA 2.0, it probably would require a license. For all of its faults, KESPA prevented a dilution of the product. The strict system ensured that only the best players made it onto the best teams, which were allowed to participate in the best league. I like the way SC2 is going as much as the next guy, but it's really pretty easy to rank the handful of big tournaments in terms of play quality/skill level... and pretty obvious which is on top.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 05:33:59
September 24 2011 05:33 GMT
#70
On September 24 2011 14:22 Lokian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 14:11 theBizness wrote:
If they form KESPA 2.0, foreign teams will never be able to send anybody to the GSL because nobody will be good enough to win a pro gaming license.


you don't need a pro-gaming liscense to enter the GSL tho...


Moreover, the reason foreigners couldn't get a progaming licence wasn't because of KESPA. It was because they couldn't beat the Koreans who were also trying to get one.

...

So, maybe that would keep them out of the GSL.

And I am pretty sure SC2CON had nothing to do with players not going to NASL - it was the teams that decided they didn't want to go.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 24 2011 05:34 GMT
#71
SC2Con just disbands right as OGN starts casting and commentating WCG Korea 2011. Hearing OGN commentating SC2 honestly made me so happy.

The future for Star2 and eSports is so bright and promising right now. I couldn't be happier.
C r u m b l i n g
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
September 24 2011 05:39 GMT
#72
well good news now for the teams to do what they want
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 24 2011 05:41 GMT
#73
Won't ever work. Every time there is an attempt like this it fails or goes power crazy.

No point in having a committee that no one agrees with.

More structure is good, but so far, such organizations in e-sports has set a bad precedent.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 24 2011 05:48 GMT
#74
Good thing that this has happened, these sorts of things in all sports are almost always corrupt and detrimental to the game
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thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
September 24 2011 05:50 GMT
#75
I hope there is an organization like Kespa formed in the near future. The need for such infrastructure represents continuing growth of the esport. I don't understand the people who are worried about foreigners being unable to compete, as if this potential issue will be a definite outcome. With the foreign scene as big as it is now, of course there will be accommodations made to cater to such players, either by Kespa or the tournaments themselves.

Where there's a will money, there's a way.



intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
September 24 2011 05:52 GMT
#76
from an outsider's point of view, it seemed that they did more harm than good. not saying that is actually the case, since (as mentioned earlier) it's just how i perceived them. hopefully their replacement is more aware when it comes to PR and maintaining a professional image.
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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
September 24 2011 05:53 GMT
#77
Maybe i'm just a little bit paranoid, but i see the possibility that kespa, blizzard and sc2con are already negotiating about a possible umbrella organization for starcraft. If this is the case then the disbanding of sc2con would be the logical first step.

On the contrary we need to look at the current state of kespa - blizzard relations, which quite frankly are pretty demolished. I think it all depends on Blizzards view on future developements in the korean esports market and the possible growth of esports in the west.

I guess only time will tell....
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lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
September 24 2011 05:54 GMT
#78
I dont see why this is necessary honestly. The market protects people from abuse, as they are offering something; their sc2 skills. If a team works a player too hard, or pays too little [or whatever series of abuses are suppose to be ironed out through such a proposed organization] he can and will find a better team that meets his interests. If its a matter of player trades...make out contracts, if the contract is breached in anyway, sue. If its not, again, why would an organization be helpful? It seems like red tape for its own sake. If anything the West, with so-called less business ethics than Korea, and certainly no aspiration for any kind of central organizational structure has had less random controversies than the vastly smaller korean scene. I find that a little odd, but at the very least its proof that a scene built upon contracts and lacking any real regulatory oversight works pretty much fine.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
September 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#79
I really hope we dont see some sort of KeSpa like entity.. Id hate to see the days where idra can no longer talk a little shit or huk saying something in chat during a game.. ("Just saying, you weren"t loss)
what if this was no longer possible? It's always fun to see drama and it gives more opportunities for players to show there personality. I really hope we don't see some sort of organization pop up. It would only hinder SC2 in the e-sports world imo
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
September 24 2011 06:10 GMT
#80
Whatever happens I hope the Korean players can stream again!
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