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On September 24 2011 12:19 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 12:15 lbmaian wrote:
I was half expecting this:
1) Notable teams weren't in it (Slayers, FXO).
2) There was too much controversy surrounding it.
3) It had no power, and the rules it seemed to try to make where never strictly followed. For ex, I think they discourage streaming, but StarTale let's their players do so.
On the other hand, I have mixed feelings about Kespa. They have done some absolutely ridiculous shit. The battle between Kespa and Blizzard was just greedy and spiteful beyond belief (both sides lost).
But Kespa governing SC2 would bring an air of "legitimacy". It would also pave the way for BW players to freely transfer to SC2 without losing their "progaming status" (whatever that means). There is still a big drop in pay going from BW to SC2 that still stands as a barrier between the two. Also, what has Kespa done that is so ridiculous other than the Blizzard battle (and that too depends on which perspective you chose).
B-teamers get paid shit either way.
As for Kespa, the most notable incident to me was when they fucked over Leta when he typed ppp instead of pp: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=92917
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I think a local Korean organisation wouldn't make that much sense at this point. What they need is a global organisation that is actually recognizable by the top leagues. E-sports is no longer something strictly limited to Korea now, it has grown vastly, specially the Starcraft 2 scene.
Look at how FIFA works in football, they are a global organisation and they have pretty much control all over the football scene. They organize the transfers, they look into disputes and their penalties are enforced simply because the top tournaments follow their decisions.
If for example the big tournaments had requirement for teams to be a member of this global organisation, everyone will eventually comply to be able to participate. However, giving a lot of power to this organisation might bite the scene in it's ass.
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Hopefully the next SC2 organization that is sure to be formed is better than its predecessor.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. They need separate organizations for teams/managers and for players.
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i know that kespa is not a huge idea by many people in the here since they make some dumb rules from time to time but the fact is that esports would not be here today without kespa. Sure the ppp rules were stupid and all but the fact is that they kept everything organizes and running to its maximum potential which sc2 would benefit from. I personally would like to see a improve kespa for sc2.
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NASL 3 mores Koreans ogogogog
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Deyster is right. We don't need a Korean focused administration. We need a world wide organization.
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On September 24 2011 12:29 GoodRamen wrote:
i know that kespa is not a huge idea by many people in the here since they make some dumb rules from time to time but the fact is that esports would not be here today without kespa. Sure the ppp rules were stupid and all but the fact is that they kept everything organizes and running to its maximum potential which sc2 would benefit from. I personally would like to see a improve kespa for sc2.
Lets look at SC2Cons TrackRecord
:Bar many koreans from competing in a huge international tournament. (NASL)
thats it =/
we dont need a kespa
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On September 24 2011 12:34 Probe1 wrote:
Deyster is right. We don't need a Korean focused administration. We need a world wide organization.
It would be interesting to have a governing body...but to be totally honest the only governing body possible would have to go through blizzard as SC2 is there IP, and they can pull the plug on anyone they don't want doing X since there is intentionally no lan mode in SC2 for that reason...TLDR it's impossible for there to be a blizzard vs. kespa with SC2 because there is no lan for sc2 and hacking the game to play lan would be a clear violaition of blizzards ip.
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On September 24 2011 12:37 VPCursed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 12:29 GoodRamen wrote:
i know that kespa is not a huge idea by many people in the here since they make some dumb rules from time to time but the fact is that esports would not be here today without kespa. Sure the ppp rules were stupid and all but the fact is that they kept everything organizes and running to its maximum potential which sc2 would benefit from. I personally would like to see a improve kespa for sc2. Lets look at SC2Cons TrackRecord :Bar many koreans from competing in a huge international tournament. (NASL) thats it =/ we dont need a kespa
I wish you would learn to read. NASL and SC2Con have come out and said that it wasn't SC2Con that barred them from competing it was individual teams.
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Not a big deal. SC2CON never did anything noteworthy (that I know of) besides start shit and cause drama (TSL situation, FXO Korea situation). I hope to see either a new organization with a real purpose/structure pop-up or perhaps have KeSPA come in (as much as many of us would hate that) because it would boost SC2's popularity and make it available to corporate sponsorships. Or maybe even have GOM organize something as Mr. Chae seems pretty level-headed and looking out for player interests.
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LOL. I'm sorry, but I predicted the ramshackle uselessness of this "organization" ages ago.
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On September 24 2011 12:28 StutteR wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. They need separate organizations for teams/managers and for players.
YES. The conflict of interest in having a Team Owner represent players is staggering.
Which player will 'ascend' to form a real player's association?
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On September 24 2011 12:40 bokchoi wrote:
Not a big deal. SC2CON never did anything noteworthy (that I know of) besides start shit and cause drama (TSL situation, FXO Korea situation). I hope to see either a new organization with a real purpose/structure pop-up or perhaps have KeSPA come in (as much as many of us would hate that) because it would boost SC2's popularity and make it available to corporate sponsorships. Or maybe even have GOM organize something as Mr. Chae seems pretty level-headed and looking out for player interests.
I could live with Mr. Chae being the Invisible Hand behind all that is SC2.
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Junwi represented the players...he was actually voted in by the players themselves. Hopefully whatever takes up the role now has the same consideration. >_>
I wouldn't mind KeSPA stepping in if Mr Chae was given a spot in their SC2 division though. Not only has he done all he could to grow SC2 worldwide but he actually cares about the foreign fans & has amazing connections because of it.
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On September 24 2011 12:14 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm, isn´t this bad? I mean crappy ragtag regulation still protects players more than 0 regulation. Dunno about KESPA, they did a lot of good things for BW nobody can deny that but I really never liked some of their decisions.
Meh, best wishes for the korean SC2 players and teams, hopefully something can work out for them
Maybe a player like OGS MC would be playing in the NASL right now (he won second place last season and can easily afford the travel expenses himself) if a SC2CON hadn't forced the teams to negotiate collectively.
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This is a pretty big shocker to me, actually. With Mr. Chae involved with the NASL negotiations and the cryptic statements from FXOBoss about the organization, and with well-sponsored Slayers NOT joining SC2Con, I'd gotten the impression that behind the scenes it functioned as a revenue-sharing vehicle to keep enough teams alive for Gom's purposes.
So if I was right, this means that enough teams are getting revenue (I've noticed StarTale with more sponsors, maybe zzang is taking off) that they're willing to throw teams like Zenex under the bus.
On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong (note I have no actual evidence) and it was just a waste of time now.
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Not surprising, it seemed kind of in a mess after a few things.
I don't think we'll see any major structure for a while. Way too much is in flux. We're up to 4 major non-Korean teams with presence inside Korea now and you're getting foreigners on Korean teams. Trying to lock down a structure, at this point, is only going to cause more harm than good, for the foreseeable future.
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What is Kespa and what did they do to make everyone hate them. Isint an organization good? They handle all the business crap and what not?
Also why does everyone hate sc2con too?
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