Power Rank gone from right sidebar? - Page 11

On August 25 2011 08:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Okay, now aside from my TLPD editing question, I have one more thing to ask. In Chill's event submission form, it says it must have an associated TL stream, but as some of you know, BW streams are a bit hit and miss depending on who's available, (GTR, Kiante, Rawr, Nanashin, Hirosue, etc). Can I still put in the event or should I contact the perennial streamers and see if any of them are dedicated to streaming it?

On August 25 2011 07:25 Daigomi wrote:

I think the reason it's gone off topic is because the Power Rank thing has been addressed already. The Power Rank will be made into a proper TL news article while the TLPD Elo rankings will be enabled for both SC2 and BW. The only reason the BW rankings aren't up yet is because a way to swap between the SC2 and BW rankings hasn't been coded yet.

On August 25 2011 08:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Okay, now aside from my TLPD editing question, I have one more thing to ask. In Chill's event submission form, it says it must have an associated TL stream, but as some of you know, BW streams are a bit hit and miss depending on who's available, (GTR, Kiante, Rawr, Nanashin, Hirosue, etc). Can I still put in the event or should I contact the perennial streamers and see if any of them are dedicated to streaming it?

On August 25 2011 07:15 Chill wrote:

The limiting factor are the volunteers, I assure you. We have a giant yellow bar across the top of TL telling us how many pending events are waiting to be approved.

It's at zero right now (like it almost always is).

On August 26 2011 17:22 hauton wrote:
To be honest, I think most of us BW fans are just upset that TL is being redesigned piecemeal in a way that mostly, if not entirely, favours SC2. To say that TL doesn't owe BW anything is pretty cold-hearted - Team Liquid was built on the foundation of Brood War, if you really think they could've turned their backs the moment SC2 was released without any outrage, you're fooling yourself. Lets not pretend that it's some kind of one-way street either - TL benefits from continued BW fan support, and vice-versa. Nobody's "doing anyone a favour", the definition of a community is this give and take, this reciprocal relationship where everyone benefits.

Putting aside the volunteerism for now, I think something like this, removing the Power Rankings without any communication until TTT had to ask, doesn't send the best message. Compound it with previous changes like the defaulting of TLPD and Liquipedia to SC2, we as BW fans really feel like we've become second-class citizens. If that's the case, then OK - I can't argue with the demographics, but at least have the decency to be forthcoming about it.

I mean, at this rate, you might as well not have a teamliquid.net/sc2 because the regular page is starting to look not much different in all honesty.

edit: I'm sure someone has already asked before, but would a BW-only version of teamliquid.net/sc2/ be feasible? At this point I almost feel like it's for the best - the divide has only gotten worse, not better and I think the ill will is pretty incurable now.

On August 25 2011 07:25 Daigomi wrote:
It [PR] should be on the front page, with all the other editorial threads people like to discuss, and perhaps get a sticky in the BW forum.

On August 25 2011 13:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Couple things to say here. First of all this implementation has been done in a less than optimal way. There have been a lot of internal discussions about the sidebar, but some of the implementation has happened in a rush and was not done properly.

TLFE and Power Rank pretty much all of our staff is in agreement that these menus are too static to keep around in our menubar. They fit our site much better when they are news items. TLFE's are too rare. If they happened more often then it would make more sense to keep them around in the menubar. But as Plexa explained already; cutting TLFE from the menu bar has been an old discussion on staff. It was kept around because some staff thought we could increase the frequency of the articles. Turned out we couldn't and thus it got removed. For one TLFE article every 3 months the frontpage works much better than a menu bar.

Power rank is basically a once a month article that after release stays static. As such we feel it fits much better in Featured News. It will be a great article to have in our news, but it is not enough reason for its own place in the menubar.

The removal of TLFE and PR had nothing to do with BW or SC2, but everything with how to make proper use of our space and a site-vision of what we should use our menubars for.

However where we have made a mistake is with the implementation of the TLPD rankings, and the new Liquipedia menubar. These specifics were not discussed enough internally and unfortunately we messed up regarding some issues. The biggest mistake is that Liquipedia does not have a BW option. This is inexcusable and will be fixed as soon as possible.

It is also up for debate what we will do with the content of the TLPD bar. A major concern right now is having two SC2 rankings but the exclusion of a BW ranking. To me this feels really weird. This will probably not stay this way. We are also concerned about the rankings carrying potential spoilers. At this point regarding the TLPD content anything is possible. It could get a BW ranking added, it could have all rankings removed, or we could come up with a solution where we can keep the rankings but somehow avoid spoilers.

Another mistake is not putting out a staff written newspost regarding all this. Once we figure everything out hopefully the opportunity will still be there to make a newspost about it.

For those saying TSL is static too: you are right and this will probably be removed as well. Poll will likely be re-positioned to the middle of the frontpage (home) so that everyone sees it once when they visit TL.net, instead of having to look at it constantly.

Anyway my apologies if some of our mistakes upset you. We will try to fix them asap but everyone is at Raleigh currently so it may have to wait till after MLG.