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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote: Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different. Use analysis, not assumption. TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote: TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody. Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later. So wait all you need, but don't wait too long. And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green. | ||
Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
GOD DAMNIT ANOTHER EVENT Sounds like a scream! Navillus the Townie has been shot! | ||
Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
EDIT:bolded <3 | ||
Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On June 30 2011 02:12 Kurumi wrote: I am serious. I know, for once I don't think you're trolling. It's just ironic, cause I recently talked about him deserving to be shot. | ||
sinani206
United States1959 Posts
I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker? Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote. | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 30 2011 02:03 Palmar wrote: Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later. So wait all you need, but don't wait too long. And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green. I'm well aware of the time constraints. I am also aware that scum will bus a stupid team member. I've done it myself. As of know I have no real case to make on anybody. Just my own personal feelings and reactions to individual posts. Nothing that makes me want to break out my mining equipment yet. | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
If you go back and read his posts he explicitly says "DT don't bother checking GM, if he's scum he's definitely GF so it would be a waste". To which I agree. Hence Drazerk is our best target. You can argue on whether or not he checked him but it doesn't really matter, he's the best target going on from the information we have. If you don't agree then there's either something seriously wrong with you or you're scum, plain and simple. In any case, he tunneled Drazerk pretty damn hard, I didn't agree with his opinions at all but here we are. | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Could he have just tunneled Drazerk without a check? Yes. But it's just as likely that he did check him, we don't know for sure. What I'm trying to say is, Drazerk is the most logical lynch based on the information we have. You seriously want to lynch VisceraEyes for his somewhat questionable actions? It's not THAT scummy to prioritise him over the guy that the DT was gunning for. | ||
sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10037034 That post could also be him breadcrumbing with the whole "strong scum vibes", but he follows that up by saying he isn't so sure. So, assuming he DT checked Drazerk, he must have at that point known his alignment. I don't see why he would hesitate rather than push harder. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
First of all, I'd like to officially apologize for my absenteeness. I can only imagine what you must think (luckily I don't have to, because your votes speak volumes). I'd like to preface my case with the following general observations: 1)GM has disappeared since suspicion has started to fall on him. 2)Town has like 7 lynch candidates right now. Drazerk and myself are the strongest, but it is MUCH better for town if we consolidate our votes onto one or two targets. Anyone who hasn't should vote for either Drazerk or myself, regardless of who else you think is scummy. There's time to get to YOUR suspicion later on, I promise. 3)Events occur in real time. TAA's death was jarring, but such is the nature of this game. Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to the case. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote: Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread. @Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it. As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP. It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up In this post, Drazerk takes the 'townie' road of soft-defending GM because, as usual, GM is posting in a wholly pro-town manner. Goes ahead and makes his opinion irrelevent however, because he then says that GM COULD be scum. As if rereading the thread will just MAKE it so. Amazing. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote: After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) This post appears to be Drazerk attacking 2 newer players for their "contentless posts"...a theme that runs RAMPANT on TL forums. The difference in this game is that when this statement was made, Draz had done VERY little in the way of providing any kind of content himself. Also interesting to note, at the tiem of this post, LSB had JUST died...and Drazerk doesn't mention it at all. Sounds like someone wasn't surprised. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote: This post seems scummy to me...as not only excited about someone starting a bandwagon, he's also introducing multiple targets to the lynch. Anti-town. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote: This read is questionable, I'll admit: I feel like anyone SUBMITTING to DT checks because they have "nothing to hide" is scummy to me. It seems if he were town, he would encourage a DT to look ELSEWHERE as a DT check on him would be wasted. I may be wrong here, but this seems super-scummy to me. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:16 Drazerk wrote: So Vain calls out Drazerk for his hypocricy, and NOW Drazerk decides it's best to consolidate targets. Interesting. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: What's important to note about this post is the martyring bit. Note he not only references a previous game to encourage people to meta him, he references Martyring himself the way he does later in the thread. This leads me to believe that his martyrdom was not only premeditated, but also scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 02:55 Drazerk wrote: Right I am going to come out and change my mind, While looking through Hiro's posts I reread the entire thread and I no longer believe that GMarshal is scum, If this puts me in the firing line so be it. We shall start at the beginning then. Pretty much as soon as the game begins He starts his campaign against lurkers. This is his defending GM post. In all honesty, it's a pretty fair and honest assessment of GM. The only post like this you'll see from Draz. He takes some flack following this post because he was supposedly researching Hiro when he came to this conclusion. What's strange about that is that he did NOT form an opinion on Hiro. His next post concerning hiro is... + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 04:11 Drazerk wrote: Ok Im going to flush out the hiding Hiro for now - He's not got any case against him and we need him to speak up more But don't worry 206 I will not forget about you What does this even mean? Does he give an opinion at all at this point? It reads like he thinks he's suspicious, but then calls him out to speak up more, indicating that he does NOT suspect him, and only wants his opinion. Cornfusing? + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:46 Drazerk wrote: [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice. syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you. Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3 If you look at my style of playing town I generally don't focus on the Main FoS as that is when mafia tend to pop out and make mistakes. This time i had no opinion on Gm either way and I wanted to show some light on two scummy targets Another patently confusing post from Drazerk. This time he says he has no opinion on GM, in spite of defending GM in a HUGE post earlier in the thread. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote: Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect. When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain ) I'm off to bed Here's his "martyr" post he referenced earlier...cementing my scum read on him. He then attempts to tie himself to GM in a very clear and not-so-subtle way...by outright claiming such. At this point, Draz goes into lurk mode and doesn't post anymore. So in summary: Draz tried to introduce several targets into the lynch docket, based on nothing. He backs off of actions that others call out as scummy, and makes horribly timed and terribly executed scum-moves to incriminate others. It is my hypothesis that Draz is tanking, and he attempted to tie himself to GM, so that when he flips red, GM will look bad. ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
chaos13
Canada885 Posts
I highly suggest a vigi hit on this guy. If you're still alive tomorrow I'll be voting for you. You're scum trying to deflect a lynch away from your mafioso friend VisceraEyes (who still hasn't contributed his analysis) VisceraEyes and youngminii are scum. If you guys lynch Drazek and he flips green I'm gonna facepalm so hard I'll probably concuss myself. If that happens, vig Viscera and youngminii, cause they're scum. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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