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So I suppose Viscera has his case.
However, it is far short of spectacular. Great job picking up on cases people have already made though. You really didn't contribute anything new, and you've done nothing to convince me that you're not scum.
On June 30 2011 02:35 sandroba wrote:
Okay someone pointed out that he started tunneling Drazerk before he could have got his check back. The way this bandwagon is going drazerk will most likely flip town. I'm back on sinani206, for the reasons I stated previously. I think he's the best lynch.
Drazerk is a better lynch than 206, and Viscera is a better lynch than Drazerk. I highly suggest you change your vote to Viscera. He's scum.
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lol
I said I wouldn't vote him if it was just based on the analysis against him. However, with the whole DT thing I believe his lynch would be completely justified.
@syllo, I somewhat agree and I was considering whether or not my vote on him is justified (I still think it is) and then I came across this:
On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote:
Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect.
When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain )
I'm off to bed
I am sick of this "nah i'm dead anyway i'm off see ya" attitude. I've been seeing this far too often lately and I'll be more than happy to policy lynch this.
People speak of creating pro-town conditions? This is just about as anti-town as you can get. This attitude where you roll over and die is absolutely unacceptable. We have to create a town meta where this will get punished, just like lurkers getting policy lynched and what not.
tl;dr kill drazerk
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On June 30 2011 02:38 chaos13 wrote:
youngminii, you say that you don't feel you should lynch Drazerk, and yet you're voting him anyway....based on the possibility that TAA checked him? We have no idea who TAA checked, or if he checked anyone at all. Remember - analysis, not assumption.
I highly suggest a vigi hit on this guy. If you're still alive tomorrow I'll be voting for you. You're scum trying to deflect a lynch away from your mafioso friend VisceraEyes (who still hasn't contributed his analysis)
VisceraEyes and youngminii are scum.
If you guys lynch Drazek and he flips green I'm gonna facepalm so hard I'll probably concuss myself. If that happens, vig Viscera and youngminii, cause they're scum.
Lynching a green day 1 is not a reason to "facepalm so had you'll probably concuss yourself".
But yes, seriously. The shit VisceraEyes was working on was case against his contender for the lynch, mostly just repeating what others have said.
I still want them both dead, but I have no words on VisEyes's actions. Seriously, if you fail like you did, I'd expect you to come back with something that people can actually believe isn't just a last ditch effort to save yourself.
I'm switching back to VisceraEyes.
As the Brother Leader and Guide of the Town I urge everyone to do the same.
This does not clear Drazek, he is still an excellent target for a vigilante hit.
I simply have no words for this, is your defense really to FoS the opposing lynchee some more?
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Okay, half your analysis is based on other players aligment. Let me say this, if you think GM or whoever else is scum go ahead and vote for him. The fact that Drazerk defended GM says nothing. Every aligment has resons to defend town/scum (they trully believe they are town / defending teamates/ gaining town cred). They way he went about defending GM gets him town points in my book even if GM is scum.
Only the first post you quoted I agree it can be interpreted as scum behaviour, but I don't think it's soliid enough to warrant this huge quickforming bandwagon.
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While I'm not in the business of defending myself TYPICALLY, I will say that I was replaced into CCM, which Palmar will most assuredly confirm, has been taking up A LOT of my focus. As I said, it's not a good excuse and is entirely my fault...but it is what it is. Those guys are beast (excluding Palmar  )
The case on Draz was in my own words and done in isolation from others' posts. If it falls in line with others' points against Draz, maybe consider that there's a reason for that. Use your head.
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On June 30 2011 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:While I'm not in the business of defending myself TYPICALLY, I will say that I was replaced into CCM, which Palmar will most assuredly confirm, has been taking up A LOT of my focus. As I said, it's not a good excuse and is entirely my fault...but it is what it is. Those guys are beast (excluding Palmar ) The case on Draz was in my own words and done in isolation from others' posts. If it falls in line with others' points against Draz, maybe consider that there's a reason for that. Use your head.
Wait, are you suggesting that you didn't read the thread? Because if you had read the thread then you'd know most of your stuff has already been said.
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Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same.
*sigh*
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On June 30 2011 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same.
*sigh*
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On June 30 2011 02:50 sandroba wrote:
Okay, half your analysis is based on other players aligment. Let me say this, if you think GM or whoever else is scum go ahead and vote for him. The fact that Drazerk defended GM says nothing. Every aligment has resons to defend town/scum (they trully believe they are town / defending teamates/ gaining town cred). They way he went about defending GM gets him town points in my book even if GM is scum.
Only the first post you quoted I agree it can be interpreted as scum behaviour, but I don't think it's soliid enough to warrant this huge quickforming bandwagon.
fuck yeah you are the towniest motherfucker in this entire thread
hi5
palmar i wish you'd just stick to one guy, other than that i've enjoyed your more recent posts
let me ask you this
if we lynch visceraeyes and he flips red, what information do we gain? am i suddenly scum because chaos13 linked us together? i hardly think so
if we lynch drazerk and he flips red, dear god we have a ton of information, syllo is under fire, gm is under fire, lots of the people that are on the viscera train are under fire
then again, based on recent games they're both probably non-red lawlawlawl
remember: lynching based on analysis on day 1 is relatively difficult and pretty luck based, i'm a lot more comfortable following a possible dt check
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sorry guys. im not too familiar with Viscera's gameplay because i never pay attention to him lol. Im going to stick my vote on Drazerk. Also, dropbear mentioned my reasoning against Drazerk was false? No its a valid reason because as an unskilled veteran, i have faced Drazerk's position many times and so far, every single game i played, i was town. BUT, hes not angry. I also notice townies tend to be more angry when pressured. He is clearly not angry.
Also i agree with ym's post above completely.
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On June 30 2011 03:01 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 02:50 sandroba wrote:
Okay, half your analysis is based on other players aligment. Let me say this, if you think GM or whoever else is scum go ahead and vote for him. The fact that Drazerk defended GM says nothing. Every aligment has resons to defend town/scum (they trully believe they are town / defending teamates/ gaining town cred). They way he went about defending GM gets him town points in my book even if GM is scum.
Only the first post you quoted I agree it can be interpreted as scum behaviour, but I don't think it's soliid enough to warrant this huge quickforming bandwagon. fuck yeah you are the towniest motherfucker in this entire thread hi5 palmar i wish you'd just stick to one guy, other than that i've enjoyed your more recent posts let me ask you this if we lynch visceraeyes and he flips red, what information do we gain? am i suddenly scum because chaos13 linked us together? i hardly think so if we lynch drazerk and he flips red, dear god we have a ton of information, syllo is under fire, gm is under fire, lots of the people that are on the viscera train are under fire then again, based on recent games they're both probably non-red lawlawlawl remember: lynching based on analysis on day 1 is relatively difficult and pretty luck based, i'm a lot more comfortable following a possible dt check
Did you read my analysis on VisEyes?
If he flips red that puts GM on fire too, note the little soft defenses I included in my original analysis.
In the end I want them BOTH dead. But VisEyes's attempt to claw his way out of the hole he's in by throwing together an analysis on his contender for the lynch, an analysis that apparently has been "upcoming" for some 30 hours.
That is the single scummiest action I have seen in the thread so far.
And yes, I'm going bit back and forth, which is kind of bad I guess, seeing as I am the Brother Leader and Guide of the Town. But this was enough to warrant the switch.
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Hey sandroba
I really think you should pick between Drazerk and VisceraEyes for your vote. It would be way too easy for scum to vote for someone who isn't going to get lynched so they won't have to be held accountable for their vote. Those two are way bigger suspects than 206, in my opinion.
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United States4714 Posts
I am back!
I am voting drazerk. Just quick word on my reasons why.
A) Not sure if the dt did actually check him but there is probably some % chance that he could have.
B) Townies more often tend to let their actions speak for them where as mafia try and make a town play then point it out for everyone to see. Draz makes a martyr post then immediately links to a game where he did the same as townie. This just sets off immediate warning bells to me because he wasn't really just giving up like his post was saying but instead was trying to copy his play as town from a previous game and hope people would notice. This just strikes me as a very scum thing to do.
Quick thoughts on a couple others
Visceyes - Not nearly as aggressive as he normally is as town, makes a ton of non committal posts where he really contributes nothing. Also like I said earlier scum post when it is convenient for them not for the town. Anyone who promises analysis then fails to deliver should make everyone extremely suspicious. Would be an excellent vig shot.
GM - GM may actually have real life issues he is dealing with but we can't really know. But he did promise the town analysis that he hasn't delivered on. He just stopped in made one post saying people shouldn't link him and draz together then disappeared. If he does come back soon and make a good analysis it probably isn't an issue but for now I am a bit wary.
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WTF. Honestly, none of these deaths are making total sense to me.
On June 29 2011 22:36 DropBear wrote:
Lanaia this doesn't make sense at all. What do you mean by jumpy and how does being jumpy make one mafia? Everything you feel has been said by others. People have been saying a lot of stuff! Which bits are those that you feel? You've carefully avoided giving any real reason at all.
The jumpyness I refer to is ugh, never mind. Now that I reread the voting thread, he's not nearly so jumpy and votehoppy. I suppose it was more a case of me wanting him to be scum.
However, I do still find him scummy. I mean, I've never played with him (not sure if he's new or not...) but parts of his behaviour don't make sense. His latching on to GM bothered me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?
Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. I don't like the threat of martyring here. It doesn't prove anything, nor does it disprove anything. It seems kind of pointless.
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Again, I know a lot of people have brought this up but I found this post kind of unnecessary. He'd barely actively said anything about GM being scum.
Now he's all buddy-buddy with GM.
It kind of hurts my head.
When I said jumpy, this is what I'd initially meant. (However, I'd thought he was following GM's vote pattern exactly and when, and only when GM voted. My bad.)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote:
Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect.
When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain )
I'm off to bed Again, I know this doesn't affect HIS alignment, but it bothers me. And can anyone validate what I've bolded in this quote? He seems almost... bored? I think that's the right word.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum. Well that one is unexpected - Go on scan me i have nothing to hide Something about this post rubs me the wrong way. I'm not sure what it is, but there's something unsettling to me there.
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On June 29 2011 19:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying? This isn't VisceraEyes, he's much more like me in that he likes to shoot first and talk later. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.
Nice, where is your research? Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Sandroba
GM fully admits to subscribing to a controversial stance that he'll catch flack for. Don't you think he'd be toning it down a bit on the lurker-hunt if he were scum? I don't know, uncalled soft defense of GM, not much of a scumtell. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1.
Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE.
I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading.
point a, if there is anything VisEyes does well it's tunneling. This guy can put out ridiculous amount of pressure on people if he feels like it, but somehow the king of tunneling is now against that? It almost feels like a different person playing. Also, where is your case? You've posted enough in other games you're playing. Stop pretending to be reading and working when you're not about to deliver. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned! I'm tuned. There is nothing on the radio. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.
Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.
Back to reading. -.- More soft defending GM, again, I just don't like the smell of this. I think VisceraEyes is scum So, here is my suggestion on what we do in the situation. VisceraEyes has basically contributed nothing to the discussion, but he has soft defended GM a couple of times. This is one of the times I'd say we have an excellent vigi target. If we shoot VisEyes and thus flip him, we have information on what could be the motivation behind his defense of GM, and we're rid of someone who repeatedly doesn't contribute and fails to deliver, and is scummy as hell. Seriously, I've played enough with this guy to know this is not his town play. If he was town he'd probably be trying to get me hanged or something, he'd at least be on a crusade. That's how he rolls.
Did you notice his UNSIGHTLY and very useless banter on page 25? GM is guilty of these things too. Discussing previous games for NO REASON. Use it when you discuss meta...I'm getting sick of reading all these pages of garbage.
I'm changing my vote to VE.
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United States4714 Posts
Actually after re reading. I have changed my mind. I am more inclined to agree with chaos about VE.
Visc hasn't just promised once saying he was going to make analysis but has done it repeatedly. He then provides absolutely nothing for the town, takes 0 stands on any players and when pressured he rushes out an analysis on draz (the person most analyzed by other players already).
And really it just seems so opposite from Visc's normal town play. His opinions are often wrong but he has strong opinions and he has no fear expressing them and attacking other people. This game has been pretty much the polar opposite.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Remember how I said I would not forget about 206 ?
Yeah well its that time
I wanted to actually do a better analysis on the guy but when I read all of his posts every single one of them are either Mechanic based or pure Fluff, Hell I have contributed more than him and im the scummiest player here right now.
Shall we start at the beginning?
On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?
As we can see he has pretty much not contributed except put a tiny amount of pressure on his Real life friend which to be honest is a false claim as i do not see these guys voting for one another in the late game which is going to pin them together no matter how you look at the situation.
( People should know by know that the blue discussion / Game mechanics are just there to try and blend in with the game )
He basically does this creating a Anti town Atmosphere which is noted by GM earlier in the game.
After being pointed out by GM 206 then decides it is suddenly in his best interest to create the most pro town atmosphere TL has ever seen...
On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks!
Except he manages to make a massive flop of it Once again contributing nothing as points 2 and 4 and pretty much common sense while Point 1 caused so much confusion it sparked all the suspicion onto him.
Because of his stupid Pro town atmosphere guide everyone started to band wagon him ( My self included ( Although I did tie him together Via 201 ) )
In his reaction he pretty much goes out and OMGUSs the people who voted for him
On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote:
*sigh*
Why do I always get lynched D1?
Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate.
The reason you was being lynched was because at this point you have not contributed. You don't seem to actually want to win this game and you keep producing pointless fluff.
As I have already stated - I had already started suspecting 201 long before the 206 band wagon the only reason I tied them together as when your suspicious of Two players you go with the General consensus.
After this he pretty much has Zero activity he's been lurking more than me after my big Martyr ( Ok this one was not as spectacular as my last games but I was tired sue me )
In fact the only time he came back to post was AFTER the third Event, Why? To talk about game mechanics again, As it makes him sound less of a scum pretending to not know it was coming.
On June 30 2011 02:13 sinani206 wrote:
Just finished reading.
I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker?
Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote.
He makes a small reference to Visc but to be honest he is just joining on the most popular band wagon at the moment without attacking me to much to prevent major OMGUS from my previous vote ( Scummy behavior )
His only other recent post was AGAIN a fluff post about mechanics.
On June 30 2011 02:18 sinani206 wrote:
Oh, I forgot that compulsives can't shoot until day 2. You're probably right, syllo.
This guy is blending in as town and your letting him get away with it. He has not contributed anything to the thread and he's been acting more scummy than me.
Votes back on you 206.
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I retain my vote on VisceraEyes. His analysis of Drazerk left much to be desired. A post that was in progress for more than half of the day should have been much better than that. VisceraEyes' play is much scummier, and Drazerk's martyrdom is similar to his townie play in SNMMIV.
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You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
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