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aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 29 2011 16:49 GMT
#601
Are there any subs available? My illness is severely inhibiting my ability to play
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 29 2011 16:51 GMT
#602
you should probably PM RoL bro, sad to hear you're sick.
Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 29 2011 16:59 GMT
#603
On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him

that's all you need

The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall.



Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different.

Use analysis, not assumption.

TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody.
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 29 2011 17:03 GMT
#604
On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote:
On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him

that's all you need

The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall.



Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different.

Use analysis, not assumption.

TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody.


Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later.

So wait all you need, but don't wait too long.

And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green.
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 29 2011 17:07 GMT
#605
GOD DAMNIT ANOTHER EVENT

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Sounds like a scream!
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 29 2011 17:11 GMT
#606
lol
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 17:12:43
June 29 2011 17:12 GMT
#607
I am serious.
EDIT:bolded <3
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#608
On June 30 2011 02:12 Kurumi wrote:
I am serious.


I know, for once I don't think you're trolling.

It's just ironic, cause I recently talked about him deserving to be shot.
Computer says mafia
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#609
Just finished reading.

I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker?

Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 17:15 GMT
#610
I don't think a one-shot vigi would waste a shot at someone who was fairly likely to be on the lurker list tomorrow. Seems more like a bad blue snipe based on one green post by him
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 29 2011 17:18 GMT
#611
Oh, I forgot that compulsives can't shoot until day 2. You're probably right, syllo.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 29 2011 17:25 GMT
#612
On June 30 2011 02:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote:
On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him

that's all you need

The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall.



Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different.

Use analysis, not assumption.

TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody.


Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later.

So wait all you need, but don't wait too long.

And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green.

I'm well aware of the time constraints. I am also aware that scum will bus a stupid team member. I've done it myself. As of know I have no real case to make on anybody. Just my own personal feelings and reactions to individual posts. Nothing that makes me want to break out my mining equipment yet.
Life can only kill you once.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 29 2011 17:25 GMT
#613
To the person that said "What if he checked GM".

If you go back and read his posts he explicitly says "DT don't bother checking GM, if he's scum he's definitely GF so it would be a waste".

To which I agree. Hence Drazerk is our best target. You can argue on whether or not he checked him but it doesn't really matter, he's the best target going on from the information we have. If you don't agree then there's either something seriously wrong with you or you're scum, plain and simple.

In any case, he tunneled Drazerk pretty damn hard, I didn't agree with his opinions at all but here we are.
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 17:27 GMT
#614
I don't understand, you say you didn't agree with his opinions but you want to lynch him now? Do you agree with his case now?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 29 2011 17:30 GMT
#615
No, I don't agree with his case. I had no opinion of Drazerk and I still don't, not one big enough to justify a lynch. However, when a DT dies and his last action was to tunnel a guy who shouldn't have had a case on him in the first place, coupled with his theory of Drazerk and GM working together, it logically makes sense to go after Drazerk since he felt so strongly about it.

Could he have just tunneled Drazerk without a check? Yes. But it's just as likely that he did check him, we don't know for sure.

What I'm trying to say is, Drazerk is the most logical lynch based on the information we have. You seriously want to lynch VisceraEyes for his somewhat questionable actions? It's not THAT scummy to prioritise him over the guy that the DT was gunning for.
lalala
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#616
Okay someone pointed out that he started tunneling Drazerk before he could have got his check back. The way this bandwagon is going drazerk will most likely flip town. I'm back on sinani206, for the reasons I stated previously. I think he's the best lynch.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#617
I think Drazerk is a decent lynch alternative based on his posts, but based on the time line it's very unlikely TAA actually DT checked Drazerk. He started making his case before he could have gotten the DT check back and in his last post he didn't seem quite sure about him anymore

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10037034

That post could also be him breadcrumbing with the whole "strong scum vibes", but he follows that up by saying he isn't so sure. So, assuming he DT checked Drazerk, he must have at that point known his alignment. I don't see why he would hesitate rather than push harder.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#618
The Case of Drazerk

First of all, I'd like to officially apologize for my absenteeness. I can only imagine what you must think (luckily I don't have to, because your votes speak volumes).

I'd like to preface my case with the following general observations:

1)GM has disappeared since suspicion has started to fall on him.

2)Town has like 7 lynch candidates right now. Drazerk and myself are the strongest, but it is MUCH better for town if we consolidate our votes onto one or two targets. Anyone who hasn't should vote for either Drazerk or myself, regardless of who else you think is scummy. There's time to get to YOUR suspicion later on, I promise.

3)Events occur in real time. TAA's death was jarring, but such is the nature of this game.

Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to the case.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote:
Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread.

@Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it.

As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP.

It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up


In this post, Drazerk takes the 'townie' road of soft-defending GM because, as usual, GM is posting in a wholly pro-town manner. Goes ahead and makes his opinion irrelevent however, because he then says that GM COULD be scum. As if rereading the thread will just MAKE it so. Amazing.

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On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:
After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first?

At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later )

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On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 14:26 DropBear wrote:


2.
On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.

I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.

If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?


You're already voting for me?

First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201.

Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely.

I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.

This little exchange confuses me. Why was it necessary to do this? Scumbuddies I wonder, trying to keep each other from being lurker targets? This early matey stuff reminds me of Irish_Punk13 in XXXIX. We all know what alignment he ended up flipping. Voting Edward the 1st.


This post appears to be Drazerk attacking 2 newer players for their "contentless posts"...a theme that runs RAMPANT on TL forums. The difference in this game is that when this statement was made, Draz had done VERY little in the way of providing any kind of content himself. Also interesting to note, at the tiem of this post, LSB had JUST died...and Drazerk doesn't mention it at all. Sounds like someone wasn't surprised.

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On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:

a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.

It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.

But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.

Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game )


This post seems scummy to me...as not only excited about someone starting a bandwagon, he's also introducing multiple targets to the lynch. Anti-town.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum.

Well that one is unexpected -

Go on scan me i have nothing to hide


This read is questionable, I'll admit: I feel like anyone SUBMITTING to DT checks because they have "nothing to hide" is scummy to me. It seems if he were town, he would encourage a DT to look ELSEWHERE as a DT check on him would be wasted. I may be wrong here, but this seems super-scummy to me.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 01:16 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 29 2011 01:15 Vain wrote:
So, wait a minute, lets look at this for a moment.
On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:

a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.

It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.

But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.

Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game )

And then goes to vote:
On June 28 2011 22:25 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sinani206


So, first he states one guy is scum and then he's like: "oh nvm that ill vote for the OTHER GUY"

wat


I stated i was suspicious of both of them but 201 over 206 - if your all going to vote for someone it is best to consolidate votes preventing a mafia lynch swing


So Vain calls out Drazerk for his hypocricy, and NOW Drazerk decides it's best to consolidate targets. Interesting.

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On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
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On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything.

On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:
I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though.
Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote?
You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that .
Also you are playing so defensive
On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.

My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.
what was that post about, who is accusing you?
FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk

YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance.
Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes.
Discussion derailed.
As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia,
But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched

Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia?


How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?

Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.


What's important to note about this post is the martyring bit. Note he not only references a previous game to encourage people to meta him, he references Martyring himself the way he does later in the thread. This leads me to believe that his martyrdom was not only premeditated, but also scummy.

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 02:55 Drazerk wrote:
Right I am going to come out and change my mind, While looking through Hiro's posts I reread the entire thread and I no longer believe that GMarshal is scum, If this puts me in the firing line so be it.

We shall start at the beginning then. Pretty much as soon as the game begins He starts his campaign against lurkers.

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On June 28 2011 11:54 GMarshal wrote:
[image loading]


Lets get this show on the road then. Activity is not going to create itself, and we need to make sure we have a working game.

Basically allow me to start with this little tidbit. Lurkers, this is your first and final warning. I will *not* allow you to lurk. If you aren't going to be active you are *very* quickly not going to be alive anymore. Consider it my... promise... to you.

gtrsrs. Hi. Pull shit like you did in SNMMIV, where you essentially sabotaged the town by creating a horrible day 1 atmosphere and I will absolutely *relish* your death. I don't want to kill you, but if you threaten this towns chances at victory I will.

Players who want to be trolls. Same applies to you, I will not allow it, period, not happening, not on my watch.

We will win this, we will kill scum, and no one is going to keep that from happening as long as I have the power to impede it.

Any questions?

This is actually a pretty common tactic to spark discussion at the start of a game and is normally considered pro town in my experience. Preventing lurkers is nothing bad It just limits the number of options the Mafia has to escape lynching.

His next major post is pointing out a fatal mistake of 201

On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.

From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.

This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out.

The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town.


Why would he attack 201 about this if he was mafia? He would of just PM'd all of his mafia buddies and then worked on getting Chaos lynched / Killed

After this Marshal starts to work on creating a Pro Town atmosphere along with 206


On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^

To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say.

Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them.

Any other questions?


Once again mentioning lurkers to spark discussion while pointing to the Townie guides to try and help the newer players. Why would he give them help them and try to promote one of the easiest methods to scum hunt in.


We also had him supporting the LSB mechanic abusing strategy which could of sparked the end of mafia pretty easily has RoL allowed it. One of the most important facts to consider in his pro town behavior.


Finally I am going to bring up the List. While many people simply dismissed it as unimportant i Believe that it will be Crucial late game at working out which surviving "Veteran" players are still standing. And why. The Game will have these few veteran mafia alive at the end and we will come to need this list to hunt them down once we have lost our town veterans.

Also not to mention every mafia would HATE being on the Vet list causing them to subtly attack GMarshal getting him lynched early enough to see them into the late game without anyone bringing it up again.


On June 28 2011 13:53 GMarshal wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:30 chaos13 wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.


Why? What goal is this list trying to achieve? What use do you intend to put it to?

I mean if you give me a good justification I don't mind doing it, but it needs to have a purpose that helps the town, rather than cluttering space ^_^


If 5/7 of the experienced veteran players are dead by day 3/4 and the new or intermediate players are starting to die instead, it's a good indication you've got mafia and should really start examining those player's posts. It's a tool I use in every game that is generally quite effective. Normally I would just make one and keep it to myself, but I don't know a lot of the names here or the meta that goes along with me, so I would appreciate some input from someone who does


A list for you then. Its split into three levels. People I know to be experienced or good, people who are not quite vets, but have played before and know what they are doing and people who are new/have few games that showcase good play.

Vets
3. GMarshal (Hi!)
10. youngminii (long time player, usually very aggressive)
15. Jackal58 (endgame player, you are familiar with him, for those not familiar with him, in my experience he is not the best day1-2 player, but really excels when we hit day 5-6)
19. sandroba (read Sleeper Cell if you need a good reason why he is on here)
23. Palmar (In particular his scum play in SNMMII)
25. ~OpZ~ (oldtimer as well, I'm not aware of what his last notable game, because it predates me. I also lack meta on him)
26. LSB (A decent player, as town or scum he comes up with decent plans and tries to lead the town. Prone to powerplays as scum)
27. Mr. Wiggles (another excellent player, he makes very compelling organized posts, but often comes off as scummy even when town since he tends to rehash a lot of what people have said. He plays a better than average game as scum, see his win with Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2)


Mid-tier players
1. DropBear - played some really solid games and is a strong player overall. He has no showings of singlehandedly dominating however, he may be misplaced here and be a candidate for Vet status.
2. sinani206 - played a couple games, not awful, but lacking a solid game to make a judgment of off
5. Cthsazsa - active contributing newbie, a little too trusting and willing to take people at their word. Much potential, interested to see where he goes. (Oh and I keep accidentally thinking he is a girl. Sorry -__-)
7. Kenpachi - likes to lurk, is good with a gun, but I have yet to see him play a game where he takes a solid leadership position
8. Lanaia - only seen her play in Insane Mafia 2 where she had a decent showing. Caught on to Kav's BS when the rest of the town missed it. She is really experienced on IRC mafia.
12. hiro protagonist - played a couple of games, did decently, I lack meta on him, as I don't think I've been in a game with him before.
13. Mig -same deal as hiro, no meta from me, played a few games.
14. Rean - Played more than hiro and mig, has a tendency to lurk (if PTP is a basis to judge on). Makes good calls in confusing situations
17. chaos13 - played a bunch here and away from here, but I lack meta on him
18. Eiii - experienced player who both lacks self confidence and has a tendency to lurk hardcore.
22. VisceraEyes -as hiro. Played a few games, nothing spectacular IIRC
24. Vain - as VE.
30. Varpulis - had a couple solid games, nothing massive, but solid. Hates lurkers, so a man after my own heart

new players (no meta on these, obviously)

4. gtrsrs
6. aprudds
9. Torqez
11. Hyaach
16. TheAwesomeAll
20. Navillus
21. Sinani201
28. syllogism
29. Drazerk

Again, my limited meta knowledge on these players and relative rankings. Please no one take offense as these are IMO.

This is where we finish discussing vet lists. The won't give anymore useful information and will allow others to fake contribute with useless lists. I posted this by request and it should NOT be considered a contribution, as scum can do this as easily as town.Again, no more vet lists



I no longer believe he is mafia and has displayed mainly Pro Town enthusiasm throughout the game, Lynching him would be a mistake when we have more scummy players lurking around.


This is his defending GM post. In all honesty, it's a pretty fair and honest assessment of GM. The only post like this you'll see from Draz.

He takes some flack following this post because he was supposedly researching Hiro when he came to this conclusion. What's strange about that is that he did NOT form an opinion on Hiro. His next post concerning hiro is...

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 04:11 Drazerk wrote:
Ok Im going to flush out the hiding Hiro for now - He's not got any case against him and we need him to speak up more

But don't worry 206 I will not forget about you


What does this even mean? Does he give an opinion at all at this point? It reads like he thinks he's suspicious, but then calls him out to speak up more, indicating that he does NOT suspect him, and only wants his opinion. Cornfusing?

+ Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:46 Drazerk wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice.
syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you.
Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3

If you look at my style of playing town I generally don't focus on the Main FoS as that is when mafia tend to pop out and make mistakes.

This time i had no opinion on Gm either way and I wanted to show some light on two scummy targets


Another patently confusing post from Drazerk. This time he says he has no opinion on GM, in spite of defending GM in a HUGE post earlier in the thread.

+ Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote:
Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect.

When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain )

I'm off to bed


Here's his "martyr" post he referenced earlier...cementing my scum read on him. He then attempts to tie himself to GM in a very clear and not-so-subtle way...by outright claiming such.


At this point, Draz goes into lurk mode and doesn't post anymore.

So in summary:

Draz tried to introduce several targets into the lynch docket, based on nothing. He backs off of actions that others call out as scummy, and makes horribly timed and terribly executed scum-moves to incriminate others. It is my hypothesis that Draz is tanking, and he attempted to tie himself to GM, so that when he flips red, GM will look bad.

##Vote: Drazerk
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#619
youngminii, you say that you don't feel you should lynch Drazerk, and yet you're voting him anyway....based on the possibility that TAA checked him? We have no idea who TAA checked, or if he checked anyone at all. Remember - analysis, not assumption.

I highly suggest a vigi hit on this guy. If you're still alive tomorrow I'll be voting for you. You're scum trying to deflect a lynch away from your mafioso friend VisceraEyes (who still hasn't contributed his analysis)

VisceraEyes and youngminii are scum.

If you guys lynch Drazek and he flips green I'm gonna facepalm so hard I'll probably concuss myself. If that happens, vig Viscera and youngminii, cause they're scum.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#620
omigod someone else died as I was typing that. X( SCUUUUUUUUMM!!!!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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