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Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.
He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.
##Vote: Drazerk
Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:
1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute
I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change?
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On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
Nobody is an established anything until they flip.
On Gmarshals absence. I do know he had vehicle problems last night. I was in a game he was hosting on another site last night and his day post was about an hour late. He made his daypost with an apology for being late I PMed him to find out which asshole killed me and he responded immediately with an apology and reason for being late He apparently has had an incident or accident of some sort. I haven't seen him online there of here since. This is not a defense of GM I'm just sharing what I know.
Palmar you may lead whomever you wish but forgive me if I don't feel inclined to follow you.
I still feel Sinani206 is the most likely to be scum out of all those that have been put forth. Bear in mind my success rate on naming scum on day 1 is about 20%
My success rate at getting them lynched is even lower.
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On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.
He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.
##Vote: Drazerk
Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:
1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute
I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change?
I saw that too but it didn't register like that until you just pointed it out Mr. Wiggles.
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On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:57 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 04:54 Mig wrote:On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote:
I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? How can you not find anything scummy to analyze lol? Practically everyone else in the game has done at least some analysis. I mean it isn't hard. If you want to contribute just post your thoughts on the other players, who you suspect and why. I mean surely after 30 pages you have some people you are more suspicious of than others. GM. I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy. Wow... that is stupidly weak "I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why" The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command. Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well?
Quick! Help me decide whether I vote to lynch you, or vote to lynch VE....I've been saying I was gonna vote VE for a good minute, but srsly looks like the DT breadcrumbed that he checked you. I didn't bold your name in the post I quoted, it was already bolded....I bolded the capped letters....
But it could be a coincidence, I can't make my mind up! Cuz in all likelihood you both could be town. It is day one...But a lot of talking has occurred over you and GM...
GM, I want your opinion on ViscEyes....
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On June 30 2011 05:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 04:57 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 04:54 Mig wrote:On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote:
I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? How can you not find anything scummy to analyze lol? Practically everyone else in the game has done at least some analysis. I mean it isn't hard. If you want to contribute just post your thoughts on the other players, who you suspect and why. I mean surely after 30 pages you have some people you are more suspicious of than others. GM. I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy. Wow... that is stupidly weak "I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why" The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command. Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well? Quick! Help me decide whether I vote to lynch you, or vote to lynch VE....I've been saying I was gonna vote VE for a good minute, but srsly looks like the DT breadcrumbed that he checked you. I didn't bold your name in the post I quoted, it was already bolded....I bolded the capped letters.... But it could be a coincidence, I can't make my mind up! Cuz in all likelihood you both could be town. It is day one...But a lot of talking has occurred over you and GM... GM, I want your opinion on ViscEyes....
Vote Neither - Get 206 He's scum
If any of our votes can be Mafia lynch switched I suggest we get Eyes as he's been pretty scummy as well
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Back from camp, just caught up on the thread.
First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists.
Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target.
Third: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference.
I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned.
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On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.
He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.
##Vote: Drazerk
Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:
1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute
I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change?
Someone else had said that he matrys every game he is town before hand he said it himself iirc. You should seriously look into that if thats a primary reason of yours for voting him. Just saying.
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On June 28 2011 13:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
I see both sides of making lists. The discussion it generates is a definite plus for town, if it's focused the right way. YM, you referenced the Zodiac List from XLII...what you didn't take into account was that after he posted the Zodiac List, BC didn't guide the discussion after it...making it bad for town. He used the fact that no one uses the list properly to his advantage. Had he been town, he likely would have guided discussion properly, and it likely would have been more of a help for town.
There are a lot of likelies in that statement, and I'm well aware of it, tyvm. That's just my opinion.
Conversely, when abused, the Zodiac Lists DO tend to clutter up the thread.
... ???
Does anyone know what he ment by both sides?
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference.
EBWOP: If Drazerk flips town, this is something to look at. If he's scum it's all cool, but it's still a terrible fluff post that looks like a contribution at first glance but isn't actually.
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Back from camp, just caught up on the thread. First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target. Third: Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned.
...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot.
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On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:57 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 04:54 Mig wrote:On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote:
I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? How can you not find anything scummy to analyze lol? Practically everyone else in the game has done at least some analysis. I mean it isn't hard. If you want to contribute just post your thoughts on the other players, who you suspect and why. I mean surely after 30 pages you have some people you are more suspicious of than others. GM. I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy. Wow... that is stupidly weak "I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why" The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command. Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well?
I'm sincerely sorry that I don't have a good reason, but that seems to be the case. I just have a hunch that he is scum.
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:
First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists.
If you don't like jokes, (which calling myself a title used by qaddafi obvously is) just skip them. I hope you aren't really so thick that you can't tell a tiny joke inside a serious post.
And yes, I said I was taking the reins and I will be calling for authority. Obviously everyone should follow me because after exploring the situation with a critical mind they agree I'm acting in the best interest of town.
Call me out when I'm wrong, but at the moment, I intend to keep attempting to lead the town and help get us going in the right direction.
I expect more help from you in the coming days Varpulis, you're a good player but sometimes you just seem to disappear.
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On June 30 2011 05:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.
He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.
##Vote: Drazerk
Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:
1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute
I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change? Someone else had said that he matrys every game he is town before hand he said it himself iirc. You should seriously look into that if thats a primary reason of yours for voting him. Just saying.
As far as I can see, he was the first one to mention it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=24
What reason does a townie have for martyring himself with 30 hours left in the lynch and then pointing out a specific game where he did the same thing as town? That looks like the bad self defense of a nooby scum.
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On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Back from camp, just caught up on the thread. First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target. Third: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned. ...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot.
One time vigilantes should be shooting only later in the game, as their shots get more accurate then.
Compulsive vigilantes should totally be shooting scummy players.
If there are people on the lurker list, then I really don't mind shooting them. It may bring lylo a day faster, but it will also bring lylo with a much more comfortable player pool.
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Ahhh.
I could be mistaken, and I reallyreallyreally hope that I'm not.
I think I picked up something,
and now I am convinced that ViscEyes is scum.
Mix that in with the fact (something like 4 people pointed out) that the wagon I started met absolutely Zero resistance (except for chaos13, lulz). Plus all the horrible reasons everyone put when they voted for him. No doubt that there's at least one scum who's on the Drazerk list.
Although I am not fully convinced he his town, these few reasons give him enough town points for me to reconsider my vote.
Sinani206, you did the exact same thing you did in PTP. Quit trying to meet the bare minimum of lurking. Why don't you Actually start playing the game and helping out instead of just being here for the ride.
I have yet to see a single thing that paints you pro-town. Each time you post with nothing that can help town you're looking more and more scummier. Same thing goes for your twin.
Palmar are you 100% sure that ViscEyes might be scum?
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On June 30 2011 05:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.
He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.
##Vote: Drazerk
Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:
1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute
I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change? Someone else had said that he matrys every game he is town before hand he said it himself iirc. You should seriously look into that if thats a primary reason of yours for voting him. Just saying. As far as I can see, he was the first one to mention it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=24What reason does a townie have for martyring himself with 30 hours left in the lynch and then pointing out a specific game where he did the same thing as town? That looks like the bad self defense of a nooby scum.
Martyring keeps me around as the Mafia will use me as an Obvious lynch target / Vig shot, If I can make it through all of that it becomes pretty easy to stay alive and Hunt mafia based of who is trying to push me
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EBWOP: Like I said, I don't think Drazerk is Town. But if I'm correct about my personal opinion, right now ViscEyes is a better lynch.
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On June 30 2011 05:28 Cthsazsa wrote:
Palmar are you 100% sure that ViscEyes might be scum?
What kind of a question is that?
Of course I am sure he might be scum, and of course I am not 100% sure he is scum.
I am however ready to lead this lynch as I feel confident in it, and I strongly believe there is enough evidence on the table to get him lynched.
So if your question is "Are you confident in this lynch", then my answer is totally yes. If it's mistaken you can feel free to question me.
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On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Back from camp, just caught up on the thread. First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target. Third: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned. ...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot.
did you not read the piece about regular vig's not shooting? Compulsive vig's have to shoot. I think that Drazerk is a perfect person to take that shot. There is no night phase. Go read the setup, please.
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On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot.
Night phase? We ain't got not stinkin' night phase.
And don't get me wrong Palmar. I'm not saying you're anti town. I'm not saying you're scum. I'm not saying anything about your alignment. I'm simply saying I have no faith in your ability to do anything other than shoot detectives.
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