EPTWhat do you think of Drazerk's martyring posts? I might be willing to consider changing my vote, but I can't get past how he makes a post giving up and then points us to a game where he dd the same thing as town. What's your take?
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
What do you think of Drazerk's martyring posts? I might be willing to consider changing my vote, but I can't get past how he makes a post giving up and then points us to a game where he dd the same thing as town. What's your take? | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @GM What do you think of Drazerk's martyring posts? I might be willing to consider changing my vote, but I can't get past how he makes a post giving up and then points us to a game where he dd the same thing as town. What's your take? I generally ignore meta, and pointing to the metagame is something I've seen both new and old players do, both as scum and town. Its bad play, but it doesn't tilt the balance for me either way, as we've said, bad play =/= mafia. Is it a determining factor for you? I understand what about it makes it suspicious, but in my experience its not something only mafia or only town do, so I'm not getting a huge read based on it. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote: When is Day over? What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie? I think Day ends in approx 7:30h,as stated in voting rules the first person to achieve votes gets lynched. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:40 sinani206 wrote: I think I may have pinned someone, but I'm not entirely sure about him/her yet. Give me a few minutes. More Whishy washy scum posting? Get a suspect and commit to it. this is just fluff buying you enough times for people in Europe to go to sleep unable to change votes | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote: More Whishy washy scum posting? Get a suspect and commit to it. this is just fluff buying you enough times for people in Europe to go to sleep unable to change votes Okay you convinced me enough to not change my vote. Hes not even under that much pressure. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote: More Whishy washy scum posting? Get a suspect and commit to it. this is just fluff buying you enough times for people in Europe to go to sleep unable to change votes um? what? If sinani is scum that would be idiotic of him. Im a fair bit more interested in why you came to this conclusion. I thought you didn't mind dying? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:52 GMarshal wrote: um? what? If sinani is scum that would be idiotic of him. Im a fair bit more interested in why you came to this conclusion. I thought you didn't mind dying? Doesn't mean I can't pressure people I think are scum Hence why I am ignoring Kerpachi's post about still voting for me | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:36 GMarshal wrote: I generally ignore meta, and pointing to the metagame is something I've seen both new and old players do, both as scum and town. Its bad play, but it doesn't tilt the balance for me either way, as we've said, bad play =/= mafia. Is it a determining factor for you? I understand what about it makes it suspicious, but in my experience its not something only mafia or only town do, so I'm not getting a huge read based on it. Well, it looked like a pretty scummy thing to me when I looked at it again. At first, I thought it might've been bad town play (I have a post somewhere saying that) or scummy, but decided on it as being scummy after a while. I'm thinking I might need to re-evaluate though, as both you and ~OpZ~ have expressed doubts about it being a big deal. To be honest, it was pretty much the thing that pushed me over to thinking he was scum, as he blatantly pointed out that he did it as town. Maybe I just haven't seen enough people be self-referential to meta in a bad way like that yet. =/ Time to think, let me know if you have anything to add to what you said. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:05 syllogism wrote: I think there's 6 hours left until lynch based on the day post, which would mean the third kill was indeed a mafia kill and not a vigi hit. Well, unless someone someone was double stacked, but that seems unlikely. So, who do you think should be lynched today? | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote: More Whishy washy scum posting? Get a suspect and commit to it. this is just fluff buying you enough times for people in Europe to go to sleep unable to change votes Well it took him more then a few minutes so i'm not waiting anymore. Since i do not believe everyone will go vote crash13 i will remove my vote from him and vote for VE. I don't really think drazek has a really strong case against him. The martyring may look against him but when i read several other opinions i'm not really sure its a scumtell. VE on the other hand is playing way different than in other games which could be an indication of a non town aligned role. I've gone trough his posts again and again and find what Gmarshall stated not much opinion from him. Not taking stances is a scumtell to me and with this being day one this should be the best lead we have. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
My first game and I don't even last a day  Town win it for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (also I'm not lurking so much that I didn't come back to the thread til now, I just forgot to post this earlier) | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:11 GMarshal wrote: So, who do you think should be lynched today? The one I'm voting for obviously, VisceraEyes. He seems to have disappeared and I don't think Drazerk being mafia makes sense based on how he has behaved in the last few hours and the fact TAA got hit. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On June 30 2011 05:24 Palmar wrote: If you don't like jokes, (which calling myself a title used by qaddafi obvously is) just skip them. I hope you aren't really so thick that you can't tell a tiny joke inside a serious post. And yes, I said I was taking the reins and I will be calling for authority. Obviously everyone should follow me because after exploring the situation with a critical mind they agree I'm acting in the best interest of town. Call me out when I'm wrong, but at the moment, I intend to keep attempting to lead the town and help get us going in the right direction. I expect more help from you in the coming days Varpulis, you're a good player but sometimes you just seem to disappear. Palmar, I'd tone down on that a little bit. Just in case, you know? It's something that shouldn't be declared so loudly in a game. Just like the last game I played with Kenpachi and he called himself a faithful bodybag which made me feel he was scum (both BGs had died). On June 30 2011 06:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, it looked like a pretty scummy thing to me when I looked at it again. At first, I thought it might've been bad town play (I have a post somewhere saying that) or scummy, but decided on it as being scummy after a while. I'm thinking I might need to re-evaluate though, as both you and ~OpZ~ have expressed doubts about it being a big deal. To be honest, it was pretty much the thing that pushed me over to thinking he was scum, as he blatantly pointed out that he did it as town. Maybe I just haven't seen enough people be self-referential to meta in a bad way like that yet. =/ Time to think, let me know if you have anything to add to what you said. He was pressing the fact he's done it as town far too much. I know that that was something I used to do a ton as scum on IRC (I've only been scum once on a forum). It sent these chills down my spine. Also, is it just me or does it look like several people will be modkilled for not voting? | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
Drazerk Why is he scum? 1. General safety of his posts. + Show Spoiler + I'm not going to quote examples of this, because it's subtle, but many of his posts are too reserved. One not-so-subtle example exists, however. On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. 2. Referencing past games to explain bad play. + Show Spoiler + He defends his conservative posting and his martyring by saying "I was town in those games, and I did the same thing." That is a WifoMy and scummy argument/defense, in my opinion. 3. Martyring. [/spoiler] VisceraEyes 1. He posts useless spam/fluff to appear to be contributing. + Show Spoiler + Examples: On June 28 2011 13:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I see both sides of making lists. The discussion it generates is a definite plus for town, if it's focused the right way. YM, you referenced the Zodiac List from XLII...what you didn't take into account was that after he posted the Zodiac List, BC didn't guide the discussion after it...making it bad for town. He used the fact that no one uses the list properly to his advantage. Had he been town, he likely would have guided discussion properly, and it likely would have been more of a help for town. There are a lot of likelies in that statement, and I'm well aware of it, tyvm. That's just my opinion. Conversely, when abused, the Zodiac Lists DO tend to clutter up the thread. goes nowhere On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned. arguing about nothing important at all On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: @GM At any rate, 201 is correct, Palmar DID /out before the game started. He'll either be Mod-killed or replaced before Day 2, I totally forgot. Aside from adding LSB to the vet list, which Wiggles already suggested, I have no problems with your list. :D NOW What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying? useless On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: :O I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY. Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people. I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but.... references something that never comes, random tangent, very little actual content On June 28 2011 16:24 VisceraEyes wrote: stating the obvious. I mean, the thing is he's right in theory. They have to trade in their 1 DT check for their 2 lurker checks unless I'm mistaken. That's 1 less DT check town has in its arsenal, right? The list goes ever on, but i'm not going to keep quoting it 2. promising to post analysis, but never posting it. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1. Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE. I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading. Ciao! On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned! On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone. Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin. Back to reading. -.- Nothing came of this until he was called out for not delivering the promised content. 3. The promised content is just parroting what everybody else has been saying about Drazerk. 4. refusing to defend himself properly or at all Conclusion. Frankly, a lot of the reasons that Drazerk could be scum boil down to (very)poor play, whereas VisceraEyes is playing with scummy motives: join the easy bandwagons, pretend to contribute, don't stick your neck out without reason. Taking into account the weakness of the wagon on drazerk (people joined because he was the only wagon at the time), the lack of initial resistance, and the meta reads that have been omitted from my lists of reasons due to the air of WifoM surrounding them, I will be voting for VisceraEyes. ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:22 Lanaia wrote: Also, is it just me or does it look like several people will be modkilled for not voting? I for one have no intentions of being modkilled. Nor have I firmly decided on who to vote for yet. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On June 29 2011 22:55 DropBear wrote: WHY EIII IS MAFIA Eiii has a grand total of 5 posts in the thread to date. He is a member of the alarmingly fast bandwagon on Drazerk. He starts off with a bang! :D Wasn't that inspirational? I still don't understand why throwaway joke posts are included in these at all. Especially ones done right after the game starts, when a lot of people are generally just hanging out to read the first day post. If this is a significant piece of your case against me, then I think you need to reevaluate it entirely. If it's not, then why put in in the analysis? Anyway: On June 29 2011 22:55 DropBear wrote: Next is a brief attempt to get people to ignore Marshal. Don't worry about him at all! No, I'm not trying to get people to ignore what GM's saying, I'm calling him out on his BS insta-claim of vig or whatever while expressing my dislike for posts like that. Which leads into this next post... On June 29 2011 22:55 DropBear wrote: Everyone who has been accusing others of making contentless posts, I give you Fluff 101 by it's Honorary Professor, Eiii! He brings up "pro-town play", lists and flashy posters yet fails to give any opinion on whether he likes or dislikes them other than "puts me off a bit". You don't seem to want to tell us what you think Eiii! Your thoughts you promise are simply a list of all possible outcomes! This one's a piece of work. First you mention that I bring up 'pro-town play'-- you know, like some kind of scum who wants to fit in and look like they're contributing, so they talk about how everyone should be pro-town and whatever other shit. Except... I'm just paraphrasing others' posts when I use the phrase 'pro-town play'. This is just a post about other people's posts. And come on, you think I'm not taking a stance on this topic? The entire paragraph has a negative tone. I suppose next time I'll try for stronger language than 'puts me off a bit' so that anyone who just skims my posts looking for easy-to-jump on phrases has a bit of a harder time, eh? And yeah, that last bit just lists what lists *can* do. That was my point, and I should have made it better-- lists can help as much as they hurt, but as long as you have strong blues I don't think they'll do much of anything at all. I did! TAA accused hiro of making a few posts that didn't amount to anything, GM responded by saying 'mafia won't be spamming, they'll be making a few posts that don't amount to anything', so I figured I'd be helpful and let them know they were both on the same page ;3 On June 29 2011 22:55 DropBear wrote: I covered this in my analysis of the voting on Drazerk. His reason for voting Drazerk is completely contradictory to what is actually happening! I disagree! Just as I thought the draz voting was starting to warm up, I see sandroba and hiro pretty much back-to-back start really arguing for 206 and syll, respectively, instead of arguing for/against the draz lynch. That looked to me like it could me scum trying to pull people to vote for someone else. I honestly don't know what to think about draz/VE/206 atm. I feel like draz has mostly fallen off the table, and people make good arguments as to why he's not scum. VE was not on my radar at all before this wagon started on him, but maybe that just means he was doing a good job lurking. 206 looked like a spammy/disinterested town to me. I'll change my vote in an hour or two, or explain why I haven't if I think draz is still the best candidate. | ||
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