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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
First of all, my read on Drazerk stands...I don't care if you think I'm parroting other peoples' reads. I know that my reasons are valid, and I'm not going to try and say that others didn't say them first. Not only would that be a blatant lie, but in my opinion it doesn't matter one way or the other. What would you prefer I say "Oh, I agree with him." and leave it at that? I don't think so. Not only would you guys think that's EVEN MORE scummy, but that's not fun for me either. Part of the fun for me is making the case. Secondly, Palmar appears to be pushing my lynch based on A) my inactivity in this game and B) my lack of tunneling him incessantly. The inactivity bit I can understand - my meta shows that I'm far more active as town than this game shows. But come on Palmar. You think I'm scummy when I tunnel you. You think I'm scummy when I don't. You like to say that part of my meta is that I tunnel you, but you know what this reeks of? YOU tunneling ME. You did it in PTP, you did it in CCM, you're doing it this game. I don't recall tunneling you in PTP. You know why? Because in PTP I didn't find you all-together scummy. Know why I'm not tunneling you this game? Because I don't find you all-together scummy. Get with the program sir. Now, I stand by my vote on Drazrek. Nothing I've read has EVEN REMOTELY made him appear less scummy. Now he's tunneling the 206...for what? Wishywashiness? For being new at the game, something he should be well acquainted with himself? Give me a break, this guy is as scummy as they come. I can't apologize enough for my inactivity...as I stated before, CCM was really kicking my ass last night, and now I'm risking getting fired to share this post with you fine people today. Don't lynch me. Lynch Drazrek. He's by far scummier than I am, and I'm willing to make a promise that if you spare me today, I WILL get back into this game and give it the attention it deserves. Palmar, give a bro a chance, bro. ##Fistpound? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
How sure are you that Draz's martyring and self-referencing are a null-tell, and how strong is your read on sinani? Curious. :p | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On June 30 2011 06:40 sinani206 wrote: I think I may have pinned someone, but I'm not entirely sure about him/her yet. Give me a few minutes. Will this be done before the lynch period? I am interested in seeing who this person is. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @GM How sure are you that Draz's martyring and self-referencing are a null-tell, and how strong is your read on sinani? Curious. :p martyring is *terrible* scum play, as I learned in PYP:I, not sure if Draz knows that though, when I say "null tell" I mean that its behavior that both scum and town do, which means it plays no part on when I read someone, so no matter *who* did it (unless its an experienced player with no history of self reference), that means the null-tell isn't strong or weak, its simply not a factor in my analysis. My read on sinani206 is strong, for a day 1 read, but its a day 1 call, and I'm notoriously bad at those. Right now of the candidates up to lynch I think he is the most likely to be mafia. However I'm sure there are better candidates, I just don't want us to have a hectic last minute voteswitch and let the mafia control who gets lynched. For example I'd be happy to put hiro up for lynch, but with only about 5 hours left in the day, I'm sure it wouldn't be beneficial to us to start a serious wagon on him. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:34 Jackal58 wrote: I for one have no intentions of being modkilled. Nor have I firmly decided on who to vote for yet. On June 30 2011 07:52 Jackal58 wrote: Who the fuck is Torqez and why is he getting no love? He's who I was referring to the most. He's from the place where I play mafia on IRC. He hasn't been there since this game started. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:00 GMarshal wrote: martyring is *terrible* scum play, as I learned in PYP:I, not sure if Draz knows that though, when I say "null tell" I mean that its behavior that both scum and town do, which means it plays no part on when I read someone, so no matter *who* did it (unless its an experienced player with no history of self reference), that means the null-tell isn't strong or weak, its simply not a factor in my analysis. My read on sinani206 is strong, for a day 1 read, but its a day 1 call, and I'm notoriously bad at those. Right now of the candidates up to lynch I think he is the most likely to be mafia. However I'm sure there are better candidates, I just don't want us to have a hectic last minute voteswitch and let the mafia control who gets lynched. For example I'd be happy to put hiro up for lynch, but with only about 5 hours left in the day, I'm sure it wouldn't be beneficial to us to start a serious wagon on him. we need Pandain to pull that off | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Nisani201
Nisani201 has 36 posts in the thread, 24 of which are from after the Day 1 post. His mean post length is 2.5 sentences, his mode post length is 2 sentences, and his maximum post length is 6 sentences which he reached 2 times. Just keep these numbers in mind as I continue this analysis. Here is an example of one of Nisani201's better posts: On June 29 2011 07:59 Sinani201 wrote: I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch. Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote. ##Vote: Drazerk In this post, he simply agrees with sandroba's thoughts that syllogism is town and Cthsazsa's analysis, which showed that Drazerk was scum. He does not provide any new content. His other 6-sentence gem: On June 29 2011 10:33 Sinani201 wrote: This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him. I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam. That is all. He provides one tiny piece of advice: not to kill spammy players, which is only half-right: lynch scum, shoot spammers. He re-references Cthasza's analysis and defends his vote, but he doesn't give any evidence of Drazerk's "contradictions and slip-ups." These are Nisani201's two longest posts, and both of them are simply parroting what others have said and stating the obvious without adding any new analysis to the table. Here are some examples of what the average Nisani201 post looks like: On June 28 2011 11:57 Sinani201 wrote: No more stupid TF2 Garry's Mod videos. This is serious business. On June 28 2011 14:15 Sinani201 wrote: Sorry, bad formatting. Please change my name on the player list to "Nisani201 (Sinani201)" as that is what I should be known as throughout the game On June 28 2011 14:40 Sinani201 wrote: Palmar is not in this game, he submitted /out soon before the game started. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=6#109 On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote: The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us. On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote: When is Day over? What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie? These are all bits of information that are not useful to the town in any way and questions that can easily be answered by reading the OP. He makes these posts because he doesn't want to have to post content, but he doesn't want to seem inactive. On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote: You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute. First, I pressure him into posting and he responds by saying that he will contribute when he has enough information. Let's see what he means by contribute: On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote: From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic. This is his "analysis" of chaos13, where he points out that he is either Mafia or Medic. This contribution does not help town at all. The fact that he could be on either side is useless, and pointing out that he could be Medic helps Mafia, as GMarshal pointed out. His next "contribution:" On June 29 2011 09:38 Sinani201 wrote: I don't really understand how the first quote from him is a scumslip. The second one is iffy; I could see why you might think it's suspicious but it could by no means be used as a primary argument. He is referring my supposed scumslips which were posted by sandroba. He refuses to take a stance on my play. He is acting extremely safe and neutral, which is a scummy trait. A more recent post: On June 30 2011 00:40 Sinani201 wrote: Drazerk has posts that give off scumtells. For Viscera, it's a lack of posts. I don't understand why the bandwagon against Drazerk is a bad thing. A lot of people are voting for him. That just means Cthsasa's analysis against him was good. It's not OMGUS, it's just agreement. He says that a lot of people are voting for Drazerk because Cthazsa's analysis was good. I assume he was talking about himself as well when he said this. He subtly explains that he is voting because of the analysis, not because he actually thought that Drazerk was scummy. This is a major scumslip. He is basically saying he found a good analysis to hide behind. Finally, he says this in response to Drazerk's analysis of me: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This is a scummy post because Drazerk's analysis of me was good because it could have started some healthy discussion, and as scum, Nisani201 would want to stop all discussion, which he does, which proves his scumminess. That took an hour and a half to write. Whew. My vote will stay on VisceraEyes today, but tomorrow, I urge all of you to vote for Nisani 201. Thank you, good sirs. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:52 Jackal58 wrote: And as far as that goes Mig please come back. What's up? I am playing a tourney right now so I am on my phone. I would prefer to lynch VE still right now. But the case against sinani I think is strong. Sandroba do you have anymore reasons to lynch sinani besides the possible scum slips? I might be willing to switch to sinani but I definitely prefer the VE lynch over drazert. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
206 is playing pretty standard to his meta...any game I've seen him as town in, he claims having a hard time coming up with stuff to post, when he does, it typically parrots others' analysis and isn't EVER a strong stance one way or the other. Drazerk I have no meta on, aside from his game in SNMMIV. He DID martyr in that game, but I notice that he didn't bring attention to the fact that it's one of his "strategies" in that game. I think him bringing up his OWN meta in an attempt to verify his town status REEKS of scum, and it should to everyone else too. Meta is only useful if the person using it notices it on their own. It's absolutely useless if pointed out by the accused, as you then have to question whether or not there are ulterior motives behind it. Drazerk's play can be described as.....erratic. That much is for sure. But I lean more toward scum in his case mainly because of the whole martyr thing. I did that once, I found it was a terrible idea and is WHOLLY detrimental to my team. I can honestly say that I'd NEVER play that way again. It's like saying 'Fine, if you don't believe me, I'll just sabotage your numbers so you have less of a chance to win'....hidden under the guise of 'so you can confirm me one way or the other'. It's wrong, I consider it cheating, and the fact that he's saying that he does it all the time makes me want to lynch him even if he's town. Also, he attacked you...and you're one of the towniest townies that ever towned a town, imho. You might be a little gung-ho against inactives, but on this forum, that's just a happy byproduct of having played and hosted a TON of games where inactives LOST town the game. So there, in a nutshell, why Drazerk over 206. I think 206 is newb-town and I think Draz is newb-scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Secondly, Palmar appears to be pushing my lynch based on A) my inactivity in this game and B) my lack of tunneling him incessantly. The inactivity bit I can understand - my meta shows that I'm far more active as town than this game shows. But come on Palmar. You think I'm scummy when I tunnel you. You think I'm scummy when I don't. You like to say that part of my meta is that I tunnel you, but you know what this reeks of? YOU tunneling ME. You did it in PTP, you did it in CCM, you're doing it this game. I don't recall tunneling you in PTP. You know why? Because in PTP I didn't find you all-together scummy. Know why I'm not tunneling you this game? Because I don't find you all-together scummy. Get with the program sir. Palmar, give a bro a chance, bro. ##Fistpound? Trust me, I'm joking when I say your meta is tunneling me as town. I absolutely love playing with you cause you're loud and controversial. But no, I'm not giving you a chance, the three pillars of the strength the case against you are as follows. a) Promise to deliver shit and then not deliver shit. Loads of people haven't done squat to warrant not being hanged, but they didn't go around assuring everyone they'd contribute. That reeks of fear, which is something townies should never be worried about. b) You haven't committed to anything, which is definitely against your meta. That's playing more carefully than usual and I find it scummy c) You then came back that supposedly had been in the works for 30 hours, but really was just some rehashed junk on your contender for the lynch. I'll fistpound you, but then I'll hang you. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
The people I see as scum right now: Cthsazsa Lanaia youngminii hiro protagonist Mig Palmar sinani206 All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells. Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club. Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote: Since we are now inside the "No Shoot" window I'll share my thoughts. The people I see as scum right now: Cthsazsa Lanaia youngminii hiro protagonist Mig Palmar sinani206 All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells. Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club. Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town. Between VisceraEyes and Drazerk, who do you find more scummy? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote: Since we are now inside the "No Shoot" window I'll share my thoughts. The people I see as scum right now: Cthsazsa Lanaia youngminii hiro protagonist Mig Palmar sinani206 All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells. Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club. Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town. There is no such thing as too town. But hey that's fine, I'm trying to lead a town of 30 people. If I wasn't controversial no one would listen to me. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @GM 206 is playing pretty standard to his meta...any game I've seen him as town in, he claims having a hard time coming up with stuff to post, when he does, it typically parrots others' analysis and isn't EVER a strong stance one way or the other. Drazerk I have no meta on, aside from his game in SNMMIV. He DID martyr in that game, but I notice that he didn't bring attention to the fact that it's one of his "strategies" in that game. I think him bringing up his OWN meta in an attempt to verify his town status REEKS of scum, and it should to everyone else too. Meta is only useful if the person using it notices it on their own. It's absolutely useless if pointed out by the accused, as you then have to question whether or not there are ulterior motives behind it. Drazerk's play can be described as.....erratic. That much is for sure. But I lean more toward scum in his case mainly because of the whole martyr thing. I did that once, I found it was a terrible idea and is WHOLLY detrimental to my team. I can honestly say that I'd NEVER play that way again. It's like saying 'Fine, if you don't believe me, I'll just sabotage your numbers so you have less of a chance to win'....hidden under the guise of 'so you can confirm me one way or the other'. It's wrong, I consider it cheating, and the fact that he's saying that he does it all the time makes me want to lynch him even if he's town. Also, he attacked you...and you're one of the towniest townies that ever towned a town, imho. You might be a little gung-ho against inactives, but on this forum, that's just a happy byproduct of having played and hosted a TON of games where inactives LOST town the game. So there, in a nutshell, why Drazerk over 206. I think 206 is newb-town and I think Draz is newb-scum. I did not attack GM i suspected him, I never committed and when i did commit it was by far in the other direction. Why not use myself as a sacrificial lamb for Mafia votes? - It worked at the end of Mini Mafia and if gtrsrs had not flamed everyone in day one we would have won as I had predicted every Mafia member thanks to the martyring. 206 has huge Evidence stacked behind him ( Ill get to his big post in while ) and would be a much better choice for today. Don't like what you see after the lynch just vig shoot me tomorrow. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:18 sandroba wrote: Fuckballs, sinani's analysis on his alter ego is actually quite decent. O.O ty lol | ||
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