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On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me.
By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue.
Just play completely normally.
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@E3
I waited to see if I could convince you, and we're now in the no-shoot-zone. I feel my reasoning is justified.
@Palmar
Why am I not surprised?
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On June 30 2011 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
@E3
I waited to see if I could convince you, and we're now in the no-shoot-zone. I feel my reasoning is justified.
@Palmar
Why am I not surprised?
Not surprised at what?
Of course I'm not going to hang a DT claim, doesn't change the fact you played awfully.
Yes, there is something wrong with your play when you keep almost getting hanged day 1 or actually getting hanged.
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I thought by test you meant let me hang anyway...my bad.
Can I get that ##Fistpound now?
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On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally.
So, you think he is lying?
Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning.
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On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning.
Please explain why this is the case.
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@GM
Oh, well that makes sense...if a DT weren't already dead. I wish I could guarantee you guys have another, but...you know...I can't.
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On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning.
Nope, I don't agree with that.
Wasn't Ace scum when he used that logic?
But I don't care, I want Drezark hanging and not VisceraEyes. I believe the claim for now. I think it's stupid to get in the position he's in, in the first place.
But what's done is done, and I believe him.
Please switch your votes over to Drezark town.
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Ace's logic applies to D1 starts with Night kills...not a Real-Time setup with NO night-phase.
But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth.
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@Palmar
Well, maybe if you didn't PUSH me so hard in CCM.... 
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On June 30 2011 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace's logic applies to D1 starts with Night kills...not a Real-Time setup with NO night-phase.
But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth.
next time you're blue, just tunnel me.
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United States22154 Posts
On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case.
Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities.
1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red
2.) He is a DT as he claims
3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control
Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him?
We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2.
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What, and give myself away? NEVER! lol
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On June 30 2011 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace's logic applies to D1 starts with Night kills...not a Real-Time setup with NO night-phase.
But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth.
Actually it applies to any game where DTs can have checks by day 1.
Either way, I'm thinking of not going for the optimal play, your posts *fit* being blue. As of right now my vote is on Drazek, but I need to think on this -__-
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On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2.
1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting
2.) Aweomse
3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take
The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller.
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On June 30 2011 10:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2. 1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting 2.) Aweomse 3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller.
Lynching the DT first is still the correct play. I'm going to say fuck the correct play right now, because it all clicked when he claimed. Also now I feel sheepish for thinking Draz is town, but I guess we'll see soon enough.
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FUCK THAT
VIG KILL GM
NO DOUBT, NO HESITATION
kill DT day 1? HAH
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This is a tough call. Let's not fall back to what ace does or doesn't say.
I'd rather look at the plausability of VE's DT claim--
he said he wrote the draz post as soon as he got the result back, and the post went up at 2:37. So he probably sent the investigation in at about 14:00 the previous day. His only posts that day, though, are at about 9:30... so if he actually sent the investigation in then, it would come back at 21:30. His first post today was at 1:30, promising an analysis that came at 2:30.
...so it looks like that part of the story checks out.
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If Drazerk flips red then the Mafia will surely kill Viscera by tomorrow. It would be too dangerous for them to let him live.
If he is not dead by tomorrow then he is either Mafia or the Mafia is "painting" him red by keeping him alive, in which we give him time for one more supposed investigation before letting a compulsive vig shoot him down.
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On June 30 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:15 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2. 1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting 2.) Aweomse 3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller. Lynching the DT first is still the correct play. I'm going to say fuck the correct play right now, because it all clicked when he claimed. Also now I feel sheepish for thinking Draz is town, but I guess we'll see soon enough.
I don't care if it's the correct play, I don't agree with it.
We can even use this. Get VisEyes to gather two more reports and them shoot him day 4 to either confirm or ignore his reports.
Plenty of good can come out of this.
Sure, if he's telling the truth he'll get roleblocked, but at least then it's not stopping the rest of our power roles.
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