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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 00:54:35
April 02 2009 05:54 GMT
#1
Update: After much discussion with staff:
1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings.
2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well.
3. GOM Invitational still won't count, but the Bisu/Jaedong Bo5 does count.

With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now:
2352 - (P)Bisu
2343 - (Z)Jaedong
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2322 - (T)Flash
2301 - (Z)sAviOr

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It has been brought to our attention that GOM Classic 2 was not sanctioned by KeSPA, and thus we mistakenly counted GOM2 and the special invite match between Bisu and Jaedong to their records and ELO ratings. Because GOM is not a KeSPA sanctioned event, we will treat it like any other invitational tournament, by storing the match records but not counting them toward player ELO ratings or total match records.

This is important because it greatly changes the ELO peaks of some of the players, notably Bisu and Jaedong. Bisu had an ELO peak of ~2350 and Jaedong ~2340, which were the two highest in history. After this correction, the top five look like this:

Peak Elo - Player
2336 - (T)Flash
2332 - (Z)Jaedong
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2328 - (P)Bisu
2301 - (Z)sAviOr

Yes, I know this is a sad day for Bisu fans, but it is the correct thing to do. The first GOM invitational tournament was not counted toward ELO and rankings for the same reason (not KeSPA sanctioned), so including the second season simply because it was bigger (despite certain teams not participating) is inconsistent with how we've treated special invitational tournaments in the past in the TLPD.

Also, Jaedong is currently at 2315 and has a chance in the OSL Finals in two days to get within striking distance of Flash's ELO peak record.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
April 02 2009 05:55 GMT
#2
I'm guessing this was gruelingly debated before a decision was reached?
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The_Australian
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia458 Posts
April 02 2009 05:56 GMT
#3
I think this is perfectly reasonable, i just wasn't aware flash's was so damn high. GJ flash :D
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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 02 2009 05:57 GMT
#4
Very reasonable, unfortunately.
anTi_
Profile Joined October 2008
United States499 Posts
April 02 2009 05:58 GMT
#5
Glad to see flash back on top.
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
April 02 2009 06:00 GMT
#6
haha nice job flash getting back to the top the easy way


Question:
Even though the GOMS2 games no longer count towards ELO, do they still count towards win percentage?
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 02 2009 06:00 GMT
#7
Well that was depressing. Abet fair enough, though.
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
April 02 2009 06:00 GMT
#8
something makes me want to say "late april fools."
Where does KeSPA say GOM isn't sanctioned? of course, if i'm wrong, then that sucks for bisu/jaedong fans.
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Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
April 02 2009 06:01 GMT
#9
I wish there was an 'Unsanctioned' ELO rating that just contained all games, sanctioned or not. GOM's lack of KeSpa sanctioning is so weak -_-
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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
April 02 2009 06:02 GMT
#10
http://www.gomtv.net/videos/265

Lilsusie announces that the Classic S2 is sanctioned in this video.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79157&currentpage=2

I'm confused.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 06:04:07
April 02 2009 06:03 GMT
#11
On April 02 2009 15:00 Atrioc wrote:
haha nice job flash getting back to the top the easy way


Question:
Even though the GOMS2 games no longer count towards ELO, do they still count towards win percentage?

they don't count toward anything, they are just stored in TLPD like superfight, all star matches, etc

On April 02 2009 15:02 Arrian wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/videos/265

Lilsusie announces that the Classic S2 is sanctioned in this video.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79157&currentpage=2

I'm confused.

We were confused too, but its not actually sanctioned.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
April 02 2009 06:03 GMT
#12
Does anyone know why KeSPA wouldn't sanction the GOM tournament? I think "KeSPA sanctioned" is a pretty worthless qualifier, based on what I know about the organization.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 02 2009 06:04 GMT
#13
anyone else tired of that elo peak shit anyway?
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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
April 02 2009 06:04 GMT
#14
On April 02 2009 15:03 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 15:00 Atrioc wrote:
haha nice job flash getting back to the top the easy way


Question:
Even though the GOMS2 games no longer count towards ELO, do they still count towards win percentage?

they don't count toward anything, they are just stored in TLPD like superfight, all star matches, etc

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 15:02 Arrian wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/videos/265

Lilsusie announces that the Classic S2 is sanctioned in this video.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79157&currentpage=2

I'm confused.

We were confused too, but its not actually sanctioned.


If it's not prying, how did you find this out? Susie and Nick seemed pretty convinced.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
April 02 2009 06:04 GMT
#15
On April 02 2009 15:03 JWD wrote:
Does anyone know why KeSPA wouldn't sanction the GOM tournament? I think "KeSPA sanctioned" is a pretty worthless qualifier, based on what I know about the organization.

I agree it's not a great distinction as the GOM competition was pretty fierce, but its the only real bright line rule we have to distinguish between invite and special tournaments and official ones that count.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 02 2009 06:05 GMT
#16
wasnt it kespa recognized but not kespa sanctioned?

some weird thing like that
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Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
April 02 2009 06:05 GMT
#17
Meh, even though I am a Jaedong fan I consider this good news. With GOM S2 not counting, Jaedong will have the highest ELO after he rapes fantasy and not Bisu.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 02 2009 06:06 GMT
#18
On April 02 2009 15:04 Carnac wrote:
anyone else tired of that elo peak shit anyway?

yes, seconded.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 02 2009 06:08 GMT
#19
How do you know that GOM season 2 was not sanctioned? Source?
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
April 02 2009 06:09 GMT
#20
Well it's pretty fair since Flash's peak would otherwise be higher too if GSI was counted. The topic is exploding anyway heh.
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