• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:15
CET 06:15
KST 14:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8345 users

TLPD / ELO Change - Page 8

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 04 2009 23:59 GMT
#141
On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well.


Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.
콩까지마
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 06:07:08
April 05 2009 06:05 GMT
#142
Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
April 05 2009 06:18 GMT
#143
On April 05 2009 08:59 jgad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well.


Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.


Sure you want as much data as you can get but the data won`t be accurate of the players aren`t trying. I`m sure some players put more effort into one league than another and those leagues seem to be kespa sanctioned.
Hell in my head
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
April 05 2009 10:16 GMT
#144
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
April 05 2009 10:56 GMT
#145
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]
n_n
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 05 2009 11:52 GMT
#146
On April 05 2009 15:05 soudo wrote:
Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?

They didn't have participation because those 3 teams are all interested in seeing GOM fail.

And you cannot seriously be comparing GOM to - say - Blizzcon, or King of Kings events?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
April 05 2009 11:54 GMT
#147
I don't really know what I think of it. Though I do have to agree with adding the GOM leagues into this, I don't like how my two of my favorite players who were #1 and #2 dropped down and submitted to... Flash.
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 15:46:43
April 05 2009 15:45 GMT
#148
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:02 GMT
#149
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.
Jaedong
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 05 2009 17:09 GMT
#150
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:28 GMT
#151
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.
Jaedong
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 05 2009 17:37 GMT
#152
On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.

And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:43 GMT
#153
On April 06 2009 02:37 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.

And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.

The only noticeable change is to his ELO peak vs P and vs T but nothing in his overall.
Jaedong
Cpt.InSaNo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States81 Posts
April 05 2009 18:43 GMT
#154
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?
StOrk[gm] 4 LiFe
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
April 05 2009 18:48 GMT
#155
On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?

who?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 05 2009 19:07 GMT
#156
On April 04 2009 10:59 disciple wrote:
well I guess the best solution will be to add the [JD/Bisu special] match in to the ELO calculation and then to remove it again if GOM decide not to make another match with the same concept after S3


I agree.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
April 06 2009 04:47 GMT
#157
If you are going to count Gom tournaments, you should also count other large non-sanctioned tournaments towards results and elo peak. It's only fair.

I'm talking about things like the 256 man tournament where Jaedong beat Jangbi, and that old Ghem TV tournament where YellOw beat Nada. The TLPD crew is going to have to do a lot of digging.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 06 2009 04:50 GMT
#158
On April 06 2009 03:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?

who?


I assume he meant CJ
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 06 2009 04:56 GMT
#159
What is this I see O.O

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Moderator
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 05:01:34
April 06 2009 04:58 GMT
#160
haha oh shit

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/#tblt-1098-3-4-DESC
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
Maru vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
herO vs Clem
SHIN vs ByuN
herO vs SHIN
TBD vs ByuN
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
-ZergGirl 242
ProTech11
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 376
Dewaltoss 63
sSak 42
Noble 42
Tasteless 12
Dota 2
febbydoto20
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 575
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv431
Other Games
summit1g8972
C9.Mang0440
WinterStarcraft428
crisheroes242
Nina131
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV96
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH243
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• Sammyuel 0
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 38
• Azhi_Dahaki22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 45m
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
Platinum Heroes Events
9h 45m
BSL
14h 45m
RSL Revival
1d 4h
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
1d 6h
BSL
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.