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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 04 2009 23:59 GMT
#141
On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well.


Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.
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soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 06:07:08
April 05 2009 06:05 GMT
#142
Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
April 05 2009 06:18 GMT
#143
On April 05 2009 08:59 jgad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well.


Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.


Sure you want as much data as you can get but the data won`t be accurate of the players aren`t trying. I`m sure some players put more effort into one league than another and those leagues seem to be kespa sanctioned.
Hell in my head
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
April 05 2009 10:16 GMT
#144
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
April 05 2009 10:56 GMT
#145
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 05 2009 11:52 GMT
#146
On April 05 2009 15:05 soudo wrote:
Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?

They didn't have participation because those 3 teams are all interested in seeing GOM fail.

And you cannot seriously be comparing GOM to - say - Blizzcon, or King of Kings events?
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
April 05 2009 11:54 GMT
#147
I don't really know what I think of it. Though I do have to agree with adding the GOM leagues into this, I don't like how my two of my favorite players who were #1 and #2 dropped down and submitted to... Flash.
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 15:46:43
April 05 2009 15:45 GMT
#148
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

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= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:02 GMT
#149
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.
Jaedong
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 05 2009 17:09 GMT
#150
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:28 GMT
#151
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.
Jaedong
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 05 2009 17:37 GMT
#152
On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.

And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 17:43 GMT
#153
On April 06 2009 02:37 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:
On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???

[image loading]

= /..

not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.

Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.

When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.

No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.

And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.

The only noticeable change is to his ELO peak vs P and vs T but nothing in his overall.
Jaedong
Cpt.InSaNo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States81 Posts
April 05 2009 18:43 GMT
#154
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
April 05 2009 18:48 GMT
#155
On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?

who?
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 05 2009 19:07 GMT
#156
On April 04 2009 10:59 disciple wrote:
well I guess the best solution will be to add the [JD/Bisu special] match in to the ELO calculation and then to remove it again if GOM decide not to make another match with the same concept after S3


I agree.
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TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
April 06 2009 04:47 GMT
#157
If you are going to count Gom tournaments, you should also count other large non-sanctioned tournaments towards results and elo peak. It's only fair.

I'm talking about things like the 256 man tournament where Jaedong beat Jangbi, and that old Ghem TV tournament where YellOw beat Nada. The TLPD crew is going to have to do a lot of digging.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 06 2009 04:50 GMT
#158
On April 06 2009 03:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?

who?


I assume he meant CJ
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 06 2009 04:56 GMT
#159
What is this I see O.O

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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 05:01:34
April 06 2009 04:58 GMT
#160
haha oh shit

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