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On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well.
Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.
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Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?
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On April 05 2009 08:59 jgad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 19:40 PoP wrote:
The reason we care about "Kespa sanctioned" is because the original game list brought into TLPD was only composed of such leagues. If we start counting every single one of them now, the stats would be skewed until we add all the previous ones as well. Stats don't really work that way. The more of them you have, the more accurate your final data is. The question is whether you want the TLPD ELO to be as accurate a description of the players as possible, or whether you simply want it to reflect their performance in Kespa sanctioned matches. Since the latter is an entirely artificial construct, it only makes sense to include as much data as you have. Mining every last unofficial game is obviously impossible, but since you've got a whole league of games already there it can only make your stats more accurate to include them. The only reason not to would be if you believed in some sort of magical force which altered the physical capabilities of the players when they were playing under Kespa's umbrella. So long as we are content that Stork playing in the GOM studio is the same Stork which attends Proleague, the MSL, the OSL, and who plays in Khan's house, then the choice is pretty clear.
Sure you want as much data as you can get but the data won`t be accurate of the players aren`t trying. I`m sure some players put more effort into one league than another and those leagues seem to be kespa sanctioned.
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Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???
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On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???
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Sweden33723 Posts
On April 05 2009 15:05 soudo wrote:
Doesn't this decision take away a lot from YellOw's legacy? We all know him as the "Special Events King", who knows how high his numbers could be if they were counted. If the reasoning is that those special events that YellOw won aren't counted because other players competing in them weren't serious about it, should you legitimize a league/tournament that didn't even have the participation of elite players from 3 entire teams?
They didn't have participation because those 3 teams are all interested in seeing GOM fail.
And you cannot seriously be comparing GOM to - say - Blizzcon, or King of Kings events?
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I don't really know what I think of it. Though I do have to agree with adding the GOM leagues into this, I don't like how my two of my favorite players who were #1 and #2 dropped down and submitted to... Flash.
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On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak???
= /..
not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.
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On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak??? = /.. not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned.
Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak??? = /.. not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned. Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2.
When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.
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On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak??? = /.. not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned. Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2. When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead.
No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak??? = /.. not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned. Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2. When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead. No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak.
And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.
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On April 06 2009 02:37 Magic84 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 02:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 06 2009 02:09 Magic84 wrote:On April 06 2009 02:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 06 2009 00:45 pindleskin wrote:On April 05 2009 19:56 FaCE_1 wrote:On April 05 2009 19:16 pindleskin wrote:
Has jaedong's elo caught up to flash's peak??? = /.. not including GOM, which is not kespa sanctioned. Yes, JD has the same ELO Peak with or without Gom S1 or Gom S2. When they removed S2 JD and Bisu peaks dropped below Flash. Now they've been restored and Flash peak got raped instead. No, that was the showmatch that caused JD's peak to drop, Adding Gom S1 had no impact on Jaedong's peak. And it's weird. How is his peak not affected even minimally. he played some(a lot) games there. Was it the same 2343 before change? Since he won s1, and it wasn't 10 years ago it should affect his every elo number after his every match since s1.
The only noticeable change is to his ELO peak vs P and vs T but nothing in his overall.
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I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?
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Braavos36402 Posts
On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ?
who?
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On April 04 2009 10:59 disciple wrote:
well I guess the best solution will be to add the [JD/Bisu special] match in to the ELO calculation and then to remove it again if GOM decide not to make another match with the same concept after S3
I agree.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
If you are going to count Gom tournaments, you should also count other large non-sanctioned tournaments towards results and elo peak. It's only fair.
I'm talking about things like the 256 man tournament where Jaedong beat Jangbi, and that old Ghem TV tournament where YellOw beat Nada. The TLPD crew is going to have to do a lot of digging.
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On April 06 2009 03:48 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 03:43 Cpt.InSaNo wrote:
I THOUGTH jeadong broke elo record vs cf ? who?
I assume he meant CJ
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