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Origami
United States266 Posts
GOM S1 - much larger invite, but still invite, and forced race balance (33% each race) Wow I had no idea about this. Not that it really matters since basically everyone got an invite anyway and those who didn't probably wouldn't have made it past the first round, but still that's interesting. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
SuperFight 1 - Boxer vs Yellow, Boxer vs Savior Obviously these shouldn't count, Boxer and Yellow were far below Savior in skills at the time and it'd be ridiculous to have these as official tournament games. SuperFight 2 - Canata vs Sea, Nada vs Reach Old vs New theme, again purely exhibition and shouldn't count, the "old" players did nothing recently to warrant being invited. SuperFight 3 - Jju vs Tossgirl, Nada vs Savior Girl vs Guy obviously not counted as its a showmatch. The Nada vs Savior was the MSL vs OSL winner, which is essentially the same as GOM Special Match except that it was organized by an outside party. I would feel much better counting this if MSL/OSL approved the showmatch or agreed to it ahead of time. GOM made it seem like this was their plan all along, since they ran GOM1 and GOM2 and intended for the winners to play. That makes it seem a lot less like a showmatch or exhibition. Superfight 4 - Proleague style tourney Not counted for obvious reasons, aside from many teams simply not caring that much about it and CJ sending Savior out every round for the eventual win. Superfight 5 - Tossgirl vs 2 amateurs and Boxer vs Savior Not counted for same reasons as Superfight 1. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
If not, why? I heard some teams will not participate.. maybe im going offtopic here. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:06 disciple wrote: well I can bring the "JD was winner of S1 partly because 4 team didnt participate in the event at all" argument. Not that I question the fact that he would've won the hole thing again, but there are a lot of what-ifs. Just keep all tournament games in. Gom themselves call it Special Match and not Grand Finals so... You can make the same argument about GOM2, or the MSL which SKT boycotted way back when. The difference I'd say between Superfight 3 (MSL champ vs OSL champ Nada vs Savior) was that CJ organized it not MSL/OSL itself, while here GOM organized it. Sure it was called "Special Match" in name, but you could also see S1 and S2 of GOM as qualifiers and this "Special Match" was the real final. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:13 StylishVODs wrote: Will gom season 3 be kespa sanctioned? If not, why? I heard some teams will not participate.. maybe im going offtopic here. GOM3 won't be sanctioned and SKT, eStro, MBC, and OGN won't be participating. | ||
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Origami
United States266 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:14 Hot_Bid wrote: You can make the same argument about GOM2, or the MSL which SKT boycotted way back when. The difference I'd say between Superfight 3 (MSL champ vs OSL champ Nada vs Savior) was that CJ organized it not MSL/OSL itself, while here GOM organized it. Sure it was called "Special Match" in name, but you could also see S1 and S2 of GOM as qualifiers and this "Special Match" was the real final. I think the main argument against that train of thought would be that the Special Match was decided upon well after S1 was over. Unless someone else can show me an earlier time, I think the earliest we even knew about it was around the semi-finals for S2. | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:06 disciple wrote: well I can bring the "JD was winner of S1 partly because 4 team didnt participate in the event at all" argument. Not that I question the fact that he would've won the hole thing again, but there are a lot of what-ifs. Just keep all tournament games in. Gom themselves call it Special Match and not Grand Finals so... True, but the fact remains that the special match was a direct result of GOM 1 and 2. It would not even have existed were it not for those two seasons. If you include GOM 1 and 2 it only makes sense to include the special match, since it is a direct product of those two tournaments. And it's not Jaedongs fault that 4 teams did not participate. He beat every contestant thrown at him and as such he earned his spot in the special match. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:14 Hot_Bid wrote: You can make the same argument about GOM2, or the MSL which SKT boycotted way back when. The difference I'd say between Superfight 3 (MSL champ vs OSL champ Nada vs Savior) was that CJ organized it not MSL/OSL itself, while here GOM organized it. Sure it was called "Special Match" in name, but you could also see S1 and S2 of GOM as qualifiers and this "Special Match" was the real final. well as I said we should just wait and see if GOM are planning to make this match a tradition, otherwise this Special Match would be just an effort by GOM to abuse the huge hype around a possible bo5 between bisu and jd | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:32 disciple wrote: From my point of view the Special Match was a pure invitational event. GOM knew that the community wants a Bo5 between bisu and JD so badly. It just happened so that those two were the respective champions of season 1 and season 2. The concept of this match emerged after it was clear that KTY and LJD won the tournament, I doubt GOM wouldve came to such an idea if the winners were just two other guys. All they did is putting money on the line, so that JD and Bisu might have some motivation to take part of the thing, because lets be clear about that, I doubt those two would ever face eachother in smth called "special match" with only their pride on the line. Then GOM advertised the event like "hey look we will make the most wanted to be seen match in the scene, because our tournaments are so high level, that only the two best players can become a champs". If I recall correctly, the special match was announced before Bisu won season 2, so if Jangbi had beaten Bisu the special match would have been Jaedong vs Jangbi, implying that it wasn't just a 'omg we should let bisu fight jaedong' thing. Though I'm sure the fact that it did turn out to be Bisu vs Jaedong made things a lot easier on their marketing department. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:39 BWdero wrote: If I recall correctly, the special match was announced before Bisu won season 2, so if Jangbi had beaten Bisu the special match would have been Jaedong vs Jangbi, implying that it wasn't just a 'omg we should let bisu fight jaedong' thing. Though I'm sure the fact that it did turn out to be Bisu vs Jaedong made things a lot easier on their marketing department. well if this is true,then you are 100% right,sir  | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:43 disciple wrote: well if this is true,then you are 100% right,sir I just did a quick search and there is indeed an announcement of Jaedong facing off against the winner of season 2 prior to Bisu winning. As well as several people in the hype/live report threads of Bisu vs Jangbi saying 'doesn't the winner face off against jaedong?/yeah he does so I'm hoping bisu wins' and similar stuff going on. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8553 Posts
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
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Origami
United States266 Posts
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
On April 04 2009 11:12 Origami wrote: I still feel that it shouldn't be counted. If you discount the Superfight 3 - Nada v Savior because it wasn't planned ahead of time and was is treated like an invite, then the Special Match shouldn't count either. I could argue that, using the same logic as Superfight 3, Jaedong should be treated as an "invite" rather than earning the position because it was planned/announced way after he won. He did earn it, if Flash had won instead It would have been Flash vs Bisu. Just because it was announced a long time after he won (quite logical really, since it happened a whole season later and all that) doesn't somehow invalidate his victory. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:14 Hot_Bid wrote: GOM3 won't be sanctioned and SKT, eStro, MBC, and OGN won't be participating. it wont be sanctioned? WHAT THE HELL? Can you link some article-translations? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On April 04 2009 20:52 Darth Peter wrote: it wont be sanctioned? WHAT THE HELL? Can you link some article-translations? None of the GOM tournaments have been sanctioned. Unless there's an article or translation that says KeSPA is sanctioning them, the default view should be that they aren't. | ||
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