EPTAnd this really doesn't have anything to do with how organized KeSPA is as much as it does have to do with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes because of bickering sponsors/conflicts of interest.
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
And this really doesn't have anything to do with how organized KeSPA is as much as it does have to do with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes because of bickering sponsors/conflicts of interest. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On April 03 2009 10:46 Sonu wrote: wat?????? they cant just "not" sanction a tourney after sanctioning it i swear this will kill e-SPORTS if KeSPA doesnt get organizsed. i feel like I just got hit by a dud reaver shot.. It is organized lol...welcome to esports politics. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings. 2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well. 3. GOM Invitational still won't count, but the Bisu/Jaedong Bo5 does count. With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now: 2352 -  Bisu2343 -  Jaedong2329 -  iloveoov2322 - Flash2301 - sAviOr | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On April 04 2009 09:38 Hot_Bid wrote: Update: After much discussion with staff: 1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings. 2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well. With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now: 2352 - Bisu2343 - Jaedong2329 - iloveoov2322 - Flash2301 - sAviOrHow did JD's peak go down after adding Gom1? And how did Bisu's go up? Oh nvm, the special showmatch wasn't counted, could you explain the reasoning behind this? | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 04 2009 09:43 Avidkeystamper wrote: How did JD's peak go down after adding Gom1? And how did Bisu's go up? Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting. Jaedong's went down because he won 2-1 vs some scrubs and that drove his rating down. Same for Flash. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
Oh, on the TLPD for GOM S1, you have AzAng as a zerg for one of his games vs JD. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
1. If we treat it like an "invite" special showmatch then it shouldn't be counted. 2. If we treat it like a "Grand Finals" that is a culmination of both tournaments, then we should count it. Since it's up for interpretation, we could really go either way, but for now we're treating it as #2. If Bisu/Jaedong Special Event Didn't Count: 2361 - Bisu2329 - iloveoov2328 - Jaedong2322 - Flash2301 - sAviOr | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 04 2009 09:47 Hot_Bid wrote: Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting. 3. GOM Invitational still won't count, neither will the special event between Bisu/Jaedong. Huh? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 04 2009 09:49 Harem wrote: 3. GOM Invitational still won't count, neither will the special event between Bisu/Jaedong. Huh? Fixed now, its currently counted. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
AzAng is listed as a zerg for the game that he won vs Jaedong, a minor error. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
but I dont care either way But its a double standard anyway. Imho all tournament matches should be counted in the ELO calculation,but everything else with the word "special" should not be in it. Just my 2 cents | ||
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BWdero
Netherlands476 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
EDIT: NVM!!! n_n | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 04 2009 09:54 disciple wrote: I dont see why the special match should be counted since the super fights are not but I dont care either way So should we count Superfights? Shinhan Masters? Since counting GOM really is breaking the letter of our "rules" for TLPD but validating the spirit, maybe its time to reexamine exactly why we exclude invitationals. Here are the reasons why invitationals were historically not counted (despite KTF Premiere League counting) 1. The players did not deserve to be invited to the tournament, i.e. no qualifiers or fair selection system like OSL or MSL - as a result it's not good for rankings or ELO GOM Invitational - pure invite on who GOM thought were the best 16 players GOM S1 - much larger invite, but still invite, and forced race balance (33% each race) GOM S2 - same GOM S3 - same Bisu-Jaedong - I don't think anyone would argue that they didn't qualify legitimately by winning their respective seasons 2. The players will not prepare as hard or play their best, i.e. players throwing games, screwing around, this is not good for ELO or rankings GOM Invitational - nobody was not caring / throwing games GOM S1 - same, though you could argue some top players didn't prioritize it as high GOM S2 - same GOM S3 - same Bisu-Jaedong - They practiced ridiculously hard, even requesting extra week for more preparation. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On April 04 2009 10:01 BWdero wrote: Thats probably because the superfights were isolated, whereas the special match was a direct result of GOM season 1 and 2. well I can bring the "JD was winner of S1 partly because 4 team didnt participate in the event at all" argument. Not that I question the fact that he would've won the hole thing again, but there are a lot of what-ifs. Just keep all tournament games in. Gom themselves call it Special Match and not Grand Finals so... But I guess if gom decide to do this every season (winners of the seasons the face each other) then it indeed should be counted. Right now GOM just used the opportunity to drag some viewer's attention by making a match between the two currently most popular and stronger player in the scene. | ||
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