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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 03 2009 01:50 GMT
#81
Sonu, it was never sanctioned in the first place, just "recognized."

And this really doesn't have anything to do with how organized KeSPA is as much as it does have to do with all the crap that goes on behind the scenes because of bickering sponsors/conflicts of interest.
Moderator
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
April 03 2009 02:12 GMT
#82
On April 03 2009 10:46 Sonu wrote:
wat??????

they cant just "not" sanction a tourney after sanctioning it

i swear this will kill e-SPORTS if KeSPA doesnt get organizsed.

i feel like I just got hit by a dud reaver shot..

It is organized lol...welcome to esports politics.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 00:52:23
April 04 2009 00:38 GMT
#83
Update: After much discussion with staff:
1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings.
2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well.
3. GOM Invitational still won't count, but the Bisu/Jaedong Bo5 does count.

With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now:
2352 - (P)Bisu
2343 - (Z)Jaedong
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2322 - (T)Flash
2301 - (Z)sAviOr
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 04 2009 00:40 GMT
#84
Oh that looks good.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 04 2009 00:43 GMT
#85
hurray for being rebels!
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 00:53:09
April 04 2009 00:43 GMT
#86
On April 04 2009 09:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
Update: After much discussion with staff:
1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings.
2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well.

With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now:
2352 - (P)Bisu
2343 - (Z)Jaedong
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2322 - (T)Flash
2301 - (Z)sAviOr

How did JD's peak go down after adding Gom1? And how did Bisu's go up?

Oh nvm, the special showmatch wasn't counted, could you explain the reasoning behind this?
Jaedong
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 04 2009 00:44 GMT
#87
On a sadder note, ToSsGirL's ELO just took a BIG hit
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 04 2009 00:46 GMT
#88
Aw, looks like Jaedong prolly won't be able to break Bisu's peak, even if he rapes Fantasy now.
Remember Violet.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 04 2009 00:47 GMT
#89
On April 04 2009 09:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 09:38 Hot_Bid wrote:
Update: After much discussion with staff:
1. For now, GOM2 will count as results and for ELO rankings.
2. To be consistent, we have added GOM1 to results and ELO rankings as well.

With these both added the top 5 ELO Peaks look like this now:
2361 - (P)Bisu
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2328 - (Z)Jaedong
2322 - (T)Flash
2301 - (Z)sAviOr

How did JD's peak go down after adding Gom1? And how did Bisu's go up?

Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting.

Jaedong's went down because he won 2-1 vs some scrubs and that drove his rating down. Same for Flash.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 00:50:07
April 04 2009 00:48 GMT
#90
Ooooh, this is such an exciting direction for the TLPD, the lines have been blurred.
Oh, on the TLPD for GOM S1, you have AzAng as a zerg for one of his games vs JD.
Jaedong
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 00:54:54
April 04 2009 00:49 GMT
#91
Anyone wanna argue that JD-Bisu should be counted?

1. If we treat it like an "invite" special showmatch then it shouldn't be counted.
2. If we treat it like a "Grand Finals" that is a culmination of both tournaments, then we should count it.

Since it's up for interpretation, we could really go either way, but for now we're treating it as #2.

If Bisu/Jaedong Special Event Didn't Count:
2361 - (P)Bisu
2329 - (T)iloveoov
2328 - (Z)Jaedong
2322 - (T)Flash
2301 - (Z)sAviOr
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
April 04 2009 00:49 GMT
#92
On April 04 2009 09:47 Hot_Bid wrote:

Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting.

3. GOM Invitational still won't count, neither will the special event between Bisu/Jaedong.

Huh?
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 04 2009 00:51 GMT
#93
On April 04 2009 09:49 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 09:47 Hot_Bid wrote:

Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting.

3. GOM Invitational still won't count, neither will the special event between Bisu/Jaedong.

Huh?

Fixed now, its currently counted.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 04 2009 00:52 GMT
#94
On April 04 2009 09:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2009 09:49 Harem wrote:
On April 04 2009 09:47 Hot_Bid wrote:

Bisu's went up because we had the AI Classic Special Event (The Jaedong 3-2 Bisu) counting.

3. GOM Invitational still won't count, neither will the special event between Bisu/Jaedong.

Huh?

Fixed now, its currently counted.

AzAng is listed as a zerg for the game that he won vs Jaedong, a minor error.
Jaedong
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 04 2009 00:54 GMT
#95
Fixed, thanks.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 01:02:39
April 04 2009 00:54 GMT
#96
I dont see why the special match should be counted since the super fights are not
but I dont care either way
But its a double standard anyway. Imho all tournament matches should be counted in the ELO calculation,but everything else with the word "special" should not be in it. Just my 2 cents
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
April 04 2009 01:01 GMT
#97
Thats probably because the superfights were isolated, whereas the special match was a direct result of GOM season 1 and 2.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 01:06:22
April 04 2009 01:05 GMT
#98
Gay.

EDIT: NVM!!! n_n
Peace~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 04 2009 01:06 GMT
#99
On April 04 2009 09:54 disciple wrote:
I dont see why the special match should be counted since the super fights are not
but I dont care either way

So should we count Superfights? Shinhan Masters?

Since counting GOM really is breaking the letter of our "rules" for TLPD but validating the spirit, maybe its time to reexamine exactly why we exclude invitationals.

Here are the reasons why invitationals were historically not counted
(despite KTF Premiere League counting)

1. The players did not deserve to be invited to the tournament, i.e. no qualifiers or fair selection system like OSL or MSL - as a result it's not good for rankings or ELO
GOM Invitational - pure invite on who GOM thought were the best 16 players
GOM S1 - much larger invite, but still invite, and forced race balance (33% each race)
GOM S2 - same
GOM S3 - same
Bisu-Jaedong - I don't think anyone would argue that they didn't qualify legitimately by winning their respective seasons

2. The players will not prepare as hard or play their best, i.e. players throwing games, screwing around, this is not good for ELO or rankings
GOM Invitational - nobody was not caring / throwing games
GOM S1 - same, though you could argue some top players didn't prioritize it as high
GOM S2 - same
GOM S3 - same
Bisu-Jaedong - They practiced ridiculously hard, even requesting extra week for more preparation.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-04 01:14:04
April 04 2009 01:06 GMT
#100
On April 04 2009 10:01 BWdero wrote:
Thats probably because the superfights were isolated, whereas the special match was a direct result of GOM season 1 and 2.

well I can bring the "JD was winner of S1 partly because 4 team didnt participate in the event at all" argument. Not that I question the fact that he would've won the hole thing again, but there are a lot of what-ifs. Just keep all tournament games in. Gom themselves call it Special Match and not Grand Finals so...
But I guess if gom decide to do this every season (winners of the seasons the face each other) then it indeed should be counted. Right now GOM just used the opportunity to drag some viewer's attention by making a match between the two currently most popular and stronger player in the scene.
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