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Eclypsia cheating on stream audience

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motionSIGN
Profile Joined December 2011
Andorra45 Posts
October 10 2012 01:38 GMT
#1
Just seen this on reddit :

The whole story started quite normally. As a big buzz news reader, I visit my favorite websites and spend most of my time slacking off in front of useless, yet fun videos (well, some of them are still of a use).
Whilst browsing one of those websites (www.lesdebiles.com), I noticed that the Eclypsia's stream was embed on it, and hidden on top of that : the stream launches itself automatically and is muted when launched, thus giving them a lot of "zombie" (easy yet not alive) viewers. Even though I despise that team, I did not warn any one right off the bat.
When I saw, at noon, the freshly created topic about it on team aAa's boards, It just pushed me toward writing a blog about them, to make sure that everyone understand that, even in the eSports, there is some dirty money

So far, I've discovered three websites that use this "hidden embed" trick, which are :
http://www.lesdebiles.com
http://www.degourdi.com/ http://www.fluvore.com/

It's needless to say that many people visit those websites.From my point of view, eclypsia must have proposed them a rather simple deal : EC gives them money to get their stream embed in such way, but does it pays off? As a picture is worth a thousand words, here is a graph of the number of views on Eclypsia's stream.

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Judging by the graph, they managed to get 11 000 times more views on their channel in two weeks. The saddest part is that even the Dailymotion staff do not seem to be aware of that. If they keep up that pace, they will catch up to millenium in a few week (millenium's channel is actually around 30 million views)

The fact is that, thanks to that unfair method, Eclypsia's viewers tend to think that their favorite structure is know by thousands, if not more, which is obviously not the fact. Not to mention all the guys that just want to watch fun stuff, and end up downloading a heavy stream without even knowing about it.

On top of that, Eclypsia is getting money from those viewers, as ads are displayed every time an embed is loaded.
With that blog, I just wanted to reveal the truth about Eclypsia's methods, as they are one of the most dishonnest teams I've ever known about.

Translated from the french blog post available here : http://team-aaa.com/membre/blog/lapente/affiche-article-1033-0-.html

French teams aren't famous to be the most serious one (such as Virus who didn't paid their players, eSahara getting folled by fake players and stuff...).

Eclypsia was already known for bunch of dramas : april fool about players didn't got paid, weird marketing decision, all international players running away (some insights told refered to fake promises), most french players running away blaming head staff and abusive contracts (according to interviews on aAa), dota team's drama...

I'm not pretty sure that esports need this kind of teams who wants to "professionalize" and "revolutionize" the buisness in such shady ways...



PS: this isn't my real account, using a friend' smurf - thanks to him - i don't want any exposure or making dramas.
Meeeow
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
October 10 2012 01:40 GMT
#2
What... 3 days and a million views? That's big time numbers from no where lol
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 10 2012 01:43 GMT
#3
LOL
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
October 10 2012 01:45 GMT
#4
cute trick.

actually though, in security you can actually embed stuff and make people download stuff but not realize it too.
so it's not as if this was entirely new.... >>
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
October 10 2012 01:45 GMT
#5
Just when I thought they had finally started being a legit team...
sLideSC2
Profile Joined July 2012
United States225 Posts
October 10 2012 01:45 GMT
#6
I chuckled. Not suprised at all.
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gyad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States423 Posts
October 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#7
Clever, but not smart enough to cover their tracks.
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
October 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#8
How desperate could they have been....
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
MayZerG_UK
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom62 Posts
October 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#9
Always hated this scumbag team, really hope they leave esports, this just makes them that much lower.

(sorry if the language is offensive)
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
October 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#10
so what does this mean? are they earning more money than they deserve?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
October 10 2012 01:47 GMT
#11

This is the definition of being a clowny ass team.
secret - never again
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 01:50:17
October 10 2012 01:49 GMT
#12
This is actually really funny, what is the purpose of this I can't see any long term benefits given the risk lol. Always liked most of the players just not the team T_T

edit: lmfao at Duran's post
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 10 2012 01:49 GMT
#13
Hmm, I guess the real damage this does is that it devalues the worth of stream advertisement. If this becomes (is?) standard, advertisers know that 99.9% of their advertisements will be on a hidden muted stream, which will devalue a broadcasted advertisement a lot. So "legit" streamers trying to get stream money through real viewers will get a lot less money from smaller money per advertisement broadcasted. So hurting E-SPORTs all in all I guess.

Also, wasn't virus finnish?
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#14
I dunno. It's clowny and unethical, but it's hard to see who's being hurt by this in the end. I guess I blame the sites embedding the stream more than I do the team involved. They're the ones making their visitors use a shitload of bandwidth on content they don't want.
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ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 01:50:30
October 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#15
I don't know why people think they can get away with this shit... eSports detective work is becoming a new profession --"

Can't we all just play Starcraft?
@ostojiy
Doomwish
Profile Joined July 2011
438 Posts
October 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#16
This seems pretty scummy. Eclypsia response?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
October 10 2012 01:51 GMT
#17
Eclypsia really has no concern about their reputation do they? They always reveal to be scumbags in the end to the players and e-sports community. This is just another show of their sad attempts at being a "legitimate" team by boosting their stream views.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44615 Posts
October 10 2012 01:51 GMT
#18
Reason #23902835 why Eclypsia is shady... >.>

What does lying about such a thing mean? How does it benefit them in some concrete way? Besides obviously showing off their fake numbers to try and gain more sponsors (which is surely a big deal). Anything else?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 10 2012 01:52 GMT
#19
On October 10 2012 10:50 Doomwish wrote:
This seems pretty scummy. Eclypsia response?

"We are confident we got the support of the community in this. One million stream viewers cannot be wrong."
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 10 2012 01:52 GMT
#20
On October 10 2012 10:50 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I don't know why people think they can get away with this shit... eSports detective work is becoming a new profession --"

Can't we all just play Starcraft?

Yep. O wait, we need zombie revenue streams. Eclypsia, ho! =_=
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