• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:04
CEST 02:04
KST 09:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy19ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy3GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding6Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
JD's Ro24 review Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
JD's Ro24 review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2598 users

First Hots Beta Patch

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
399 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 07 2012 21:06 GMT
#1
We will be bringing down the beta server today at 2:30 PM PDT in order to perform a few balance changes. We do not expect a lengthy downtime and will report to this thread when the service is live after the maintenance. Below are the changes being implemented:

BALANCE CHANGES

- Warhound Weapon attack delay has increased from 1.3 to 1.7.
- Swarm host locust attack damage has decreased from 16 to 14.
- Viper Consume can no longer be used on creep tumors.
- Oracle Preordain duration has decreased from 2 min to 1 min.
- Viper Blinding Cloud now hits everything, but the radius of effect has reduced from 2.5 to 1.5.
- Widow mines will no longer damage each other with their splash damage.
- The bug affecting the Overlord speed upgrade has been fixed. Upgraded Overlords will now travel at the expected speed of 1.88.


HOTKEY CHANGES

Oracle
- Revelation has changed from E to R.
- Entomb has changed from R to E.


Mothership Core
- Energize has changed from N to E.
- Purify has changed from E to F.


Swarm host
- Spawn locust has changed from W to C.


Fleet Beacon
- Research Gravity Sling has changed from T to G.
- Research Bosonic Core has changed from G to A.


Hydralisk Den
- Evolve Muscular Augments has changed from C to A.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6521292436#1

Disappointed there is no changes to the tempest.

Also, what is the Bosonic Core upgrade? Gravity Sling is the tempest range if I'm correct, but I can't check as I'm not in the beta.

Update:

We need to delay the update till 4:30 PM PDT. Will post with any additional changes.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
September 07 2012 21:08 GMT
#2
No surprise warhound got a nerf.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 21:13:37
September 07 2012 21:09 GMT
#3
A nice start to testing balances, I guess, but I wish haywire missiles was not autocastable.

They should leave creep tumours consumable, that's pretty funny.

Blinding cloud will barely cover anything now. I think this will be buffed to 2. o.o

Are they seriously leaving the haywire missiles doing full damage to immortal shields?
T P Z sagi
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 07 2012 21:09 GMT
#4
I like it, especially the blinding cloud change, hopefully we'll see it get more use, the viper is so awesome imo, it should become a major unit.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Qgelfich
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany90 Posts
September 07 2012 21:09 GMT
#5
No suprises whatsoever. Good to see blinding cloud hit everything, since bio is very rarely used nowadays.
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
September 07 2012 21:10 GMT
#6
Widow mines will no longer damage each other with their splash damage.

Oh, that could have been a problem lol. Maybe they don't suck like we thought.

Warhound Weapon attack delay has increased from 1.3 to 1.7.

Lets see if this nerf makes this unit less dominant.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Brahoono
Profile Joined September 2012
119 Posts
September 07 2012 21:11 GMT
#7
On September 08 2012 06:06 Tao367 wrote:
- Viper Blinding Cloud now hits everything, but the radius of effect has reduced from 2.5 to 1.5



<3
j.k.l
Profile Joined September 2012
112 Posts
September 07 2012 21:11 GMT
#8
good changes.
~ Spirit will set you free ~
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 07 2012 21:12 GMT
#9
2.5->1.5 radius is a big difference O_O
MMA: The true King of Wings
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
September 07 2012 21:13 GMT
#10
Blizz doesn't understand what the problem is with Warhound.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
September 07 2012 21:13 GMT
#11
I think that the main problem with warhounds is the haywire, not necessarily the main attack. You can just kite stalkers/sentries with its range.
T P Z sagi
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 07 2012 21:15 GMT
#12
On September 08 2012 06:13 purakushi wrote:
I think that the main problem with warhounds is the haywire, not necessarily the main attack. You can just kite stalkers/sentries with its range.


I disagree, even on non mechanical units it beats everything. It destroys bio army's extremely quickly and efficiently.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 21:16:04
September 07 2012 21:15 GMT
#13
Bosonic core is oracle energy
- Widow mines will no longer damage each other with their splash damage.

Sigh
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 07 2012 21:17 GMT
#14
A 30% decrease in non-haywire DPS will probably make the Warhound nonviable in TvZ.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
September 07 2012 21:18 GMT
#15
Absolutely stupid. Blizzard chooses to "balance" the warhound instead of redesigning it. They have zero clue wtf they are doing.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 21:22:11
September 07 2012 21:19 GMT
#16
On September 08 2012 06:15 Tao367 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 06:13 purakushi wrote:
I think that the main problem with warhounds is the haywire, not necessarily the main attack. You can just kite stalkers/sentries with its range.


I disagree, even on non mechanical units it beats everything. It destroys bio army's extremely quickly and efficiently.


Ah, that's true. I guess it needs both nerfs >_< Well, I would mainly like to see haywire be castable, so it at least takes some micro to use. I doubt Blizzard is going to do that, though. Catering to making the game easier...

Should haywire still completely ignore immortal shields, though? =\
T P Z sagi
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 07 2012 21:20 GMT
#17
Haha, viper buffed even more, jesus
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 07 2012 21:21 GMT
#18
On September 08 2012 06:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Haha, viper buffed even more, jesus

well, nerfed it vs bio, but I guess that playstyle seems to have died in HotS.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 07 2012 21:22 GMT
#19
On September 08 2012 06:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Haha, viper buffed even more, jesus


Is it strong? My impression of the community's impression is that it's underpowered.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 07 2012 21:22 GMT
#20
It's incredibly useful, but really frail.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group A
n0maD vs perroflaco
TerrOr vs ZZZero
MadiNho vs WolFix
DragOn vs LancerX
ZZZero.O228
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft402
Ketroc 75
ProTech74
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 474
ZZZero.O 228
910 46
Dota 2
canceldota433
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor162
Other Games
gofns19985
summit1g14750
FrodaN2047
C9.Mang0146
ROOTCatZ21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick703
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH113
• RyuSc2 70
• HeavenSC 32
• musti20045 29
• Adnapsc2 24
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 40
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5146
Other Games
• Scarra618
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
9h 57m
WardiTV Team League
10h 57m
OSC
12h 57m
BSL
18h 57m
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
IPSL
18h 57m
Artosis vs TBD
Napoleon vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Wardi Open
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 15h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
[ Show More ]
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Escore
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.