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As always, with topics as complex and sensitive as these, please take a minute to think before you post. If this thread is to stay open the following must be avoided:

- Disrespect to any of the parties involved (be it the bullies or bullied)

The above includes:
- Justifying or glorifying death or suicide as deserved
- Disregarding or belittling the circumstances that give rise to these situations

There's a reason why these discussions are always so sensitive. There are extremes on either side of the discussion that are disrespectful and narrow-minded in their own ways; the best approach is to carefully consider the other side before posting

Warnings and bans will be handed out for unreasoned and insensitive statements.
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 04:37:12
February 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#1
yahoo article: http://gma.yahoo.com/chardon-high-school-shooting-one-dead-four-injured-140607604--abc-news.html

One student has died following a shooting this morning at Chardon High School in Ohio. Four others were injured and the shooter is in custody.

"There is one deceased student," Chardon Police Chief Tim McKenna said at a news conference. "That's the sad news for all of us today."

Police will not yet identify the gunman, saying only that he has not yet been charged and that he is a juvenile.

The gunman opened fire with a handgun just before 8 a.m. in the school cafeteria where students were eating breakfast, authorities and witnesses said.

The shooter was chased out of the building by a teacher and later turned himself in to a passerby, authorities said. Police have not yet confirmed whether the gunman was a student at the school, but junior Heather Ziska told the Associated Press she just a few feet away when he opened fire and she recognized the shooter as a fellow student.

The suspect is in custody at Geauga County Safety Center, according to ABC News' Cleveland affiliate WEWS.

"Our prayers go out to the five victims and their families," a choked up School Superintendent Jospeh Bergant said at news conference. "It's a horrible tragedy."

Geauga County Sheriff Daniel McClelland praised the reaction to the shooting.

"A prompt entry was made into the school. They went into the school and located the victims. It became readily apparent that the shooter had fled already," McClelland said. "The individual was apprehended some distance from the school and had fled on foot."

The officer said police created a security perimeter to make sure the gunman could not return and a search, including a K-9 unit, was launched for the suspect.

Two students were taken by ambulance to Hillcrest Hospital and three were taken by helicopter to MetroHealth Hospital, according to WEWS.

Parent Teresa Hunt told WEWS that she was texting with her daughter during the lockdown and her daughter said she heard five shots fired in the cafeteria about 7:30 a.m. Her daughter texted that students were scared and that four people had been shot.

Chardon student Evan Erasmus told WEWS that a student had tweeted that he was going to bring a gun to school, but that no one took him seriously.

The Chardon Fire Department was called to the school at about 7:45 a.m. in response to a report of "several people shot," according to Inspector William Crowley of the Chardon Fire Department.

Multiple law enforcement agencies, including a SWAT team, rushed to the school.

The superintendent immediately canceled classes at all schools in the district. Students who were still on school buses were being dropped back off at their homes and parents were called to pick up their children that were already at school.

The Chardon School District sent a voicemail to parents that schools are closed and high school students are being moved to the middle school, according to WEWS.

Parents received the following message:

"As of 9:00 AM the alleged sole CHS gunman is in custody and Chardon High School students are being moved by safety forces to Maple Elementary. Parents or legal guardians can pick up their students up any time. Chardon Middle School students are also being released to parents."

Ohio Gov. John Kasich tweeted around 9:30 a.m., "Pls pray for wounded Chardon HS students, their families, and their community; appears things under control now."

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has eight agents on their way to the scene and they are expected to trace the firearm.

Chardon is a village in Geauga County, about 35 miles east of Cleveland, Ohio.


pics of the shooter (not official yet, but they are him...) http://i39.tinypic.com/zkojld.jpg Edit - no longer works, sorry, but pics depicted alleged shooter posing with two guns.

They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

Edit2: It has been confirmed that the shooter in fact chose his victims at random - he did not know the students nor was he bullied by them.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 27 2012 19:25 GMT
#2
This is what happens when no one in school gives a single fuck about bullying.
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SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
February 27 2012 19:26 GMT
#3
How many more times is something like this going to happen before bullying is taken seriously?
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 27 2012 19:26 GMT
#4
Bullies are largely the product of poor parenting and unhealthy environment in and outside of home, all of which can be fixed. Just because they were doing something unconscionably wrong does not mean they deserved death or injury.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 27 2012 19:28 GMT
#5
Jesus, deja vu.
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
February 27 2012 19:28 GMT
#6
The shooter was chased out of the building by a teacher and later turned himself in to a passerby, authorities said.
Pretty amazing teacher might i add, but indeed a tragedy. Sad that this can still happen when most people already know how serious bullying can get.
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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
February 27 2012 19:28 GMT
#7
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

man, don't say that. i hate seeing bullies get away with it, and i hate that they do it, but c'mon...

my sympathies go out to everyone involved, including the shooter. his life is over. stuff like this is so sad, it just makes you want to cry.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 27 2012 19:29 GMT
#8
On February 28 2012 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Bullies are largely the product of poor parenting and unhealthy environment in and outside of home, all of which can be fixed. Just because they were doing something unconscionably wrong does not mean they deserved death or injury.
Sure bullies can be fixed but the point is that these specific bullies weren't fixed because no one bothered to do anything about it so I disagree. Although I wish death to no one, I can't feel sympathy for them.
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iwearcapes
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
France157 Posts
February 27 2012 19:30 GMT
#9
so a kid with a gun gets spooked by a teacher who runs after him. weird
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#10
On February 28 2012 04:30 iwearcapes wrote:
so a kid with a gun gets spooked by a teacher who runs after him. weird


My guess is once the bullies got what was coming for them, his iron resolve broke, especially since he turned himself in.

Sad to say the least.
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Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
February 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#11
On February 28 2012 04:30 iwearcapes wrote:
so a kid with a gun gets spooked by a teacher who runs after him. weird


Obviously he didn't want to kill the teacher. He just wanted to get back at those bullies and not hurt anybody else i guess.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
February 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#12
On February 28 2012 04:26 SnipedSoul wrote:
How many more times is something like this going to happen before bullying is taken seriously?


^ This. Nobody wants to talk bad about victims but people really need to look at the truth. As someone who was bullied mercilessly in middle school I can say from experience that I know how these kids who snap feel - and honestly given my warped state of mind back then, if I had managed to get my hands on a gun, I might very well have gone the same way. Doesn't make it right, obviously, but these kids are at their wit's end.
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Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#13
On February 28 2012 04:30 iwearcapes wrote:
so a kid with a gun gets spooked by a teacher who runs after him. weird
It's because the shooter had a purpose, he didn't want to kill anyone who wasn't involved with the bullying so if your not going to shoot the teacher the only option left is flee. He also voluntarily gave himself up which further proves my point that his sole purpose was to decimate the bullies.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
February 27 2012 19:34 GMT
#14
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

Being a jerk isn't something that you deserve to die for.
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
February 27 2012 19:34 GMT
#15
On February 28 2012 04:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

man, don't say that. i hate seeing bullies get away with it, and i hate that they do it, but c'mon...

my sympathies go out to everyone involved, including the shooter. his life is over. stuff like this is so sad, it just makes you want to cry.

I said almost zero... no one deserves to be shot for bullying, but from someone who has been bullied in school, it is very difficult for me to feel sorry for them.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
February 27 2012 19:35 GMT
#16
On February 28 2012 04:34 rhs408 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

man, don't say that. i hate seeing bullies get away with it, and i hate that they do it, but c'mon...

my sympathies go out to everyone involved, including the shooter. his life is over. stuff like this is so sad, it just makes you want to cry.

I said almost zero... no one deserves to be shot for bullying, but from someone who has been bullied in school, it is very difficult for me to feel sorry for them.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
February 27 2012 19:35 GMT
#17
Really sounds like it wasn't a case of the kid went bonkers and decided to shoot up the school. I'm curious what pushed him to this, particularly since he turned himself in and even refrained from harming those who weren't his purported antagonizers.

Very sad.
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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
February 27 2012 19:35 GMT
#18
here we go again with the army of people on TL who think that it's okay to shoot and kill someone for the only reason that they're an asshole. once again a person can't deal with their own problems and thinks that it is okay to kill someone for being bullied.

"but they made fun of me so i shot him" oh here is a fucking medal. anyone who does this should go to prison. welcome to earth, where you're going to encounter assholes your entire life. if you think the only way to deal with it is to shoot them, you're bat shit crazy and deserve to be in prison your entire life.

when i was in elementary i would get made fun of sometimes by random kids because my name is very different, but i didn't give a shit.
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Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 27 2012 19:36 GMT
#19
On February 28 2012 04:34 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

Being a jerk isn't something that you deserve to die for.
Your understanding of bullying is quite low if you summarize them to just being a jerk.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:39:56
February 27 2012 19:37 GMT
#20
On February 28 2012 04:34 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:23 rhs408 wrote:
They say he was a quiet, nice kid. Also the group of students that he was shooting at apparently bullied him... if this is the case then my sympathy level for them goes down to almost zero.

Being a jerk isn't something that you deserve to die for.


Agreed.

The bullies and the shooter all needed help. Now none of them will get it.

Sigh.
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