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- Disrespect to any of the parties involved (be it the bullies or bullied)
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On March 01 2012 03:57 Kamais Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 01:41 kellenr wrote:On February 29 2012 16:58 zalz wrote:
I think it would grace the people that told these victims that they "deserved it," to apologize.
You spoke out before the facts were in, you made horrible claims. Have a little spine and admit you were wrong and ended up saying something disgusting. I fully agree with this. I spined up and admitted I had no good answer for capital punishment accidentally executing an innocent person. It's just pathetic these people can't admit they were wrong, and that they spoke out of turn based purely on assumption and conjecture. I just saw the mother of one of the murdered kid's on TV... Fucking heart breaking. Literally couldn't imagine that. Wake up one morning, take your son to school. Wake up the next, take him to his funeral. Dude it wasn't my fault, the OP was shitty and all direction of any discussion comes from OP. Since there was no bullying and such I admit I was wrong, the shooter deserves to be jailed for life.
Well said. I totally agree the OP was misleading, and kind of started this flame fest. Not that it was really even his fault, it's the medias fault for shoving a camera into the terrified, traumatized face of some kid that's just had the worst experience of his life. No shit facts are going to get twisted.
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There is no reason to resort to lethal force in order to solve personal problems. Ever. And really how expensive are metal detectors in the grand scheme of things?
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On March 02 2012 09:01 Kestralisk wrote:
There is no reason to resort to lethal force in order to solve personal problems. Ever. And really how expensive are metal detectors in the grand scheme of things?
Metal detectors and personnel to man them are quite expensive. As much as a human life? No. But that line of argument doesn't suddenly create money to buy them with.
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On March 02 2012 09:05 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 09:01 Kestralisk wrote:
There is no reason to resort to lethal force in order to solve personal problems. Ever. And really how expensive are metal detectors in the grand scheme of things? Metal detectors and personnel to man them are quite expensive. As much as a human life? No. But that line of argument doesn't suddenly create money to buy them with.
It's not only money. No school is willing to ruin its own reputation by basically declaring that its pupils are so dangerous they need to check them for weapons every day. We'd need a law for that so it gets compulsory. But then you'd be even more right: that would cost.
Not to mention that school would need to start early because 500-1500 students had to queue every morning before being let into school.
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In all fairness, it just looks like innocent poetry. Dark poetry, sure. But innocent nonetheless.
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On March 02 2012 03:19 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:57 HULKAMANIA wrote:I would ask you to provide non-anecdotal (i.e. something other than "we get news reports...") evidence for your claims. But I think we're far enough off topic and far enough into the territory of "personal axe to grind" already. + Show Spoiler +~52 percent of Americans would not vote for a well-qualified atheist presidential candidate. Atheists are the most hated minority group in America, with 40% of Americans expressing that atheists are a group that "does not at all agree with my vision of American society", well ahead of Muslims (34%) and African-Americans (27%). It's very obvious that despite the small amount of research on the issue, that atheists are a minority group that is discriminated against, and Christians are not. By contrast, the Christian majority enjoys widespread popularity, enough so that every President ever has been Christian and enough that a majority of Americans don't even believe in evolution. Over the last century, religiously-motivated Christian terrorists have included the KKK and abortion clininc bombers such as the Army of God. Most hate against LGBTs in America also comes from Christians. Christians regularly push for legislation and legal structures that discriminate against everyone else, such as teaching Biblical creationism in schools, including the Ten Commandments on public structures, and allowing/requiring prayer in schools. What, you think just because we haven't done research on religion in kids that the social tables are turned completely upside down and the supermajority becomes the oppressed somehow? Are seriously arguing that Christians are an oppressed/bullied group, or that atheists oppress them? I can't tell if you're really that uninformed or just trolling. You can find tons of cases where Christians as a group oppress, attack, and bully individuals who are not Christian by doing a simple Google search. Hell, you can even find evidence of Christian groups doing their best to protect Christian bullies. By contrast, I challenge you to provide a single case where atheists as a group oppress or bully others.
No, I am not "seriously arguing" that Christians are a universally oppressed group nor that atheists as a rule oppress them. I've looked back over my posts, and I have no earthly idea what would gave you that impression that I was.
What I was trying to do was point out an unfair polemic and maybe head off a large, angry, off-topic religion/atheism exchange in this thread. But such an argument doesn't seem to be catching on anyways so I suppose in actuality my fears were misguided and I am doing as much to precipitate one as you are. I repent and promise not to repeat such errors in this thread in the future.
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Notorious High School Shooter T.J. Lane Escapes From Prison
T.J. Lane, who was serving three life sentences for a notorious high school shooting spree, escaped tonight from an Ohio prison, officials said.
Lane, who is now 19, broke out of the Allen Correctional Facility along with two other prisoners. One was soon captured, but the other still at large was identified as Clifford Opperud, 45.
Officials are warning residents of Lima, Ohio, near the prison to not open doors to strangers or pick up hitchhikers. A police dragnet was moving through the town and police asked residents not to tweet the location of officers.
"They are considered dangerous," Allen County Sheriff Sam Crish told ABC News. He said it wasn't clear if they were armed, but nevertheless were still "considered to be very dangerous."
Lane shot and killed three students at Chardon High School on Feb. 27, 2012. He was sentenced to three life sentences. Three other students were wounded.
Lane's escape set off alarms in Chardon, Ohio, which is three hours by cars from the prison. The Chardon school district issued a statement Thursday night saying it was monitoring the manhunt and that it was considering closing the schools on Friday because "the safety and well-being of our students, staff and community remain our highest priority."
Chardon Police Chief William Niehus told ABC News affiliate WEWS that the possibility that Lane would head for Chardon is "something for us to be concerned about... If these folks are listening, they know if they come here, they're going to get caught."
Timothy Hewlin, the father of Demetrius Hewlin who was killed by Lane, was outraged by the escape.
"This cannot be happening. This guy killed my son and killed three kids. What type of system are they running here?" he demanded.
Lane's court appearances were marked by crude and shocking behavior. At his sentencing hearing Lane stunned the victims' families and his own lawyer when he unbuttoned his shirt to reveal a T-shirt with the word "killer" scrawled across the front. He spewed vile and unprintable words at the families of three students he killed, gave them the finger and then laughed and smiled as they described him as an animal and a monster.
Lane chuckled when the judge sentenced him to three life terms in prison with no chance for parole.
Lane was waiting for a bus to an alternative school when he killed three students at Chardon High School. Daniel Parmertor, 16, Demetrius Hewlin, 16, and Russell King Jr., 17, died in the attack. King had been dating Lane's former girlfriend, students told ABC News at the time.
Ian Friedman was Lane's lawyer and said he had spent hundreds of hours with him. "T.J. Lane is exceptionally smart there is no doubt about that. If anyone could escape it would have to be someone of that level of intelligence,” Friedman told ABC News.
“People ask me if he is dangerous. The facts speak for themselves,” he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/notorious-high-school-shooter-tj-lane-escapes-prison/story?id=25446686
Damn
thats scary
I would like to know the details of how he escaped
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On September 12 2014 14:17 simmeh wrote:Show nested quote +Notorious High School Shooter T.J. Lane Escapes From Prison
T.J. Lane, who was serving three life sentences for a notorious high school shooting spree, escaped tonight from an Ohio prison, officials said.
Lane, who is now 19, broke out of the Allen Correctional Facility along with two other prisoners. One was soon captured, but the other still at large was identified as Clifford Opperud, 45.
Officials are warning residents of Lima, Ohio, near the prison to not open doors to strangers or pick up hitchhikers. A police dragnet was moving through the town and police asked residents not to tweet the location of officers.
"They are considered dangerous," Allen County Sheriff Sam Crish told ABC News. He said it wasn't clear if they were armed, but nevertheless were still "considered to be very dangerous."
Lane shot and killed three students at Chardon High School on Feb. 27, 2012. He was sentenced to three life sentences. Three other students were wounded.
Lane's escape set off alarms in Chardon, Ohio, which is three hours by cars from the prison. The Chardon school district issued a statement Thursday night saying it was monitoring the manhunt and that it was considering closing the schools on Friday because "the safety and well-being of our students, staff and community remain our highest priority."
Chardon Police Chief William Niehus told ABC News affiliate WEWS that the possibility that Lane would head for Chardon is "something for us to be concerned about... If these folks are listening, they know if they come here, they're going to get caught."
Timothy Hewlin, the father of Demetrius Hewlin who was killed by Lane, was outraged by the escape.
"This cannot be happening. This guy killed my son and killed three kids. What type of system are they running here?" he demanded.
Lane's court appearances were marked by crude and shocking behavior. At his sentencing hearing Lane stunned the victims' families and his own lawyer when he unbuttoned his shirt to reveal a T-shirt with the word "killer" scrawled across the front. He spewed vile and unprintable words at the families of three students he killed, gave them the finger and then laughed and smiled as they described him as an animal and a monster.
Lane chuckled when the judge sentenced him to three life terms in prison with no chance for parole.
Lane was waiting for a bus to an alternative school when he killed three students at Chardon High School. Daniel Parmertor, 16, Demetrius Hewlin, 16, and Russell King Jr., 17, died in the attack. King had been dating Lane's former girlfriend, students told ABC News at the time.
Ian Friedman was Lane's lawyer and said he had spent hundreds of hours with him. "T.J. Lane is exceptionally smart there is no doubt about that. If anyone could escape it would have to be someone of that level of intelligence,” Friedman told ABC News.
“People ask me if he is dangerous. The facts speak for themselves,” he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/notorious-high-school-shooter-tj-lane-escapes-prison/story?id=25446686Damn thats scary I would like to know the details of how he escaped
They will NEVER publish that. It would encourage additional escape attempts. They only mention the crazy escapes like that one guy who escaped a Quebec prison via a stole helicopter coming and picking him up.
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