Testie refuses to forfeit the game, as he is 100% sure he were winning the match against Breakdown[pG] on Ash Rose. GosuGamers crew has put the match on hold until a final decision has been made.
During the last deciding game (after 3-3) in a Protoss versus Zerg game on Ash Rose, Breakdown[pG] disconnects after killing off an attempt from ToT)Testie(rS to break the containment of Hydralisks that were held on him outside his base. The remnants of Testie's troops (including a few High Templars and a few Zealots) moves back in to the Protoss base, heavily guarded in the small entrance by lots of cannons. Just seconds later, Breakdown disconnects from the game. When we come back in the channel, Testie refuses to regame the match, saying he is 100% sure he would have won that game, since he believes he had him outmacroed. Breakdown on the other hand says that he had the entrance blocked and had lurkers on the way and had the upper hand.
Tough decision, match on hold A decision regarding something like this is always tough to make, which is why the final decision will have to wait. The decision will be handled with care and justice, and no sudden actions will be made. The replay from the seventh game is available for you to download. Press the link below to download it. A final statement regarding this controversy will come up as soon as possible."
If you're too lazy to read, Testie and Breakdown were tied at 3-3. In the 9th minute of the last and deciding match, Breakdown unfortunately got disconnected from the game.
Testie then refused to replay the match, because he was '100% certain' that he had actually already won! Breakdown on the other hand, said that he had Testie contained, and that lurkers were on its way, which is very hard to get out of on a map like Ash Rose.
My opinion on this after watching the replay, is that Breakdown actually won it by a longshot. Testie just wasted his entire army, robotics facility wasn't even started yet (not sure about this one, as he might've built it during the final battle in the replay which I was watching), and breakdown had lurker aspect ready and a 3rd base (5th hatch) coming. After that he could just kept containing, and drop testie's expand, or w/e.
IMO there was no way that Testie could've won. I think that Breakdown should be awarded the win and the title 'King of the Hill'. Discuss what you think about this match.
I honestly don't see how testie can claim a win for this. How is he supposed to break that contain really fast? The entrances in ash rose are so great for lurk contain, I think he'd spend a minimum of 5 minutes getting out, and by then break could have secured another main + nat with lurks/sunks, teched to hive, and have ultras coming. That's IF testie could get out in the first place, break is incredible with his hydra/lurk contains, because his hydra micro is outstanding.
It's still rough to award a winner of a bo7 based on a disconnect game...if what you're saying about the match is true, he should've just given a rematch and played. If you're right about the advantage, Testie will just lose by decision, so there was no point in him denying a rematch.
I have not yet seen the replay, but I posted an idea about redoing the game on the gosugamers forums. Most of them think its a good idea, although there is an obvious downside... I could remake the map (wouldnt take more than a few days if I do it a couple hours a day... and thats probably still more time than I'd need) so that everything is built where it was in the game, then they can play from there. The downside? They know what each other has and is building, even though Im sure both of them (being on the level they are) knew what to expect from the other.
Heh, I actually thought testie had that won after the first time I watched it, and not convinced he didn't even after the second +_+ He was still almost 20 supply ahead, even after losing that much shit TT
But really, he should RE eitherway. Didn't you re him 4 times or so when he kept discing?
Oh and breakdown refused to re too when testie changed his mind ;o
testie could DEFINITELY rightfully claim a regame. even if his own chances of winning were ~10%, it was the deciding game and breakdown was the one who disconnected. and I believe testie's chances of winning were closer to 50% than 10%, although I'd surely give the current advantage to breakdown.
now, claiming a win when you don't have an obvious advantage is gay no matter who disconnected so in this case where testie definitely didn't have a clear advantage and arguably was at a disadvantage, the obvious solution to me would be regame
but then testie was gay and immediately wanted a win cause he "couldn't possibly lose", and then breakdown retaliated through being gay on his own and refusing to regame after testie came to his senses and wanted a regame anyway.
so unless something has happened since the last time I updated myself on this, they're both being kinda gay.
this is the reason why testie fans should all be shot, imo. All he does is let down people with his ego. I say we chastize him again and dont let him back in the BW community, thats just my opinion
edit: just read drone's comments, hrm breakdown refused? thats pretty gay, too actually, i dunno tough call, still dont like testie though~ but he shouldnt be banished from the community if he did finally come to his senses --; (if for a brief moment)
Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: Wake up. We are regaming now. Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: You, me, brood war scanner Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: And that's it. Chris says: no. Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: I will lose this series now. Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: What do you mean no? Testie - *Reminder to Ksenya, send those songs!!* says: This is a moment of clarity in my unbridled rage. Play now. Chris says: u lost, why would i regame ?
that log was posted by testie so I dunno what was said before or after (although I know testie had refused to regame prior to this, with the explanation that he had a clear advantage or that he couldn't lose or something. )
the game had a lot of playing to be done. in my opinion the next minutes of the game would've happened as follows - testie kills the hydras outside of his base, and if his army could move fast as vultures, he could go win the game or do enough damage to make an obvious advantage. however since his army would move too slowly to do that, breakdown would make some sunkens and with lurker aspect be able to defend. then testie would have map control, breakdown would have 1 more expansion, and testie would have to expand, contain, and wait for observers (his robotics wasnt started) a big thing is that breakdown didnt even have evolution chambers put down which was gonna kill him in the late game he was getting himself into. i dont understand what he was going for.. upgrades after 3rd base, or keep expanding without upgrades? surely he didnt expect to break testie's choke. it didnt seem to me to be going anywhere unless his contain was unbreakable but his lurkers were coming too late
as a protoss player i'd feel relatively comfortable if the next few minutes went as i described (and those actions arent incredibly hard to do and apparently testie was planning on doing it) but the game had a bit of playing to do and i think it warrants a rematch if you dont punish breakdown for his disconnection. since there is a chance that breakdown did it purposely (which i have no reason to believe) then it becomes unfair to testie to have a regame.. but i still think a regame is the best solution
imo testie had the upperhand, i dont think breakdown would get time to set up the containment in time .. i think testie would get atleast 2 units per gateway before lurkers would be done... the question is if he would have attacked at the right time or not. Basically. Its definatly a regame if u ask me tho....and whoever would claim win there (both being total idiots for doing that) is just stupid, and sad.
On June 06 2005 09:49 NonY wrote: the game had a lot of playing to be done. in my opinion the next minutes of the game would've happened as follows - testie kills the hydras outside of his base, and if his army could move fast as vultures, he could go win the game or do enough damage to make an obvious advantage. however since his army would move too slowly to do that, breakdown would make some sunkens and with lurker aspect be able to defend. then testie would have map control, breakdown would have 1 more expansion, and testie would have to expand, contain, and wait for observers (his robotics wasnt started) a big thing is that breakdown didnt even have evolution chambers put down which was gonna kill him in the late game he was getting himself into. i dont understand what he was going for.. upgrades after 3rd base, or keep expanding without upgrades? surely he didnt expect to break testie's choke. it didnt seem to me to be going anywhere unless his contain was unbreakable but his lurkers were coming too late
as a protoss player i'd feel relatively comfortable if the next few minutes went as i described (and those actions arent incredibly hard to do and apparently testie was planning on doing it) but the game had a bit of playing to do and i think it warrants a rematch if you dont punish breakdown for his disconnection. since there is a chance that breakdown did it purposely (which i have no reason to believe) then it becomes unfair to testie to have a regame.. but i still think a regame is the best solution
there is no way testie would've killed the hydras outside his base before breakdown got lurkers..just before breakdown disced testie lost most of his army and he was badly outnumbered afterwards..was something like 5-8~zeals+some temps and 4 gates producing while breakdown had about 2 groups of hydras iirc...
edit: my memory was a bit off :p apparently testie had 6 gates+2more building..and testie had 6zealots+5templars
EPT
quite pathetic, mayby they should re bo7 ? <lol> 
