• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:49
CEST 05:49
KST 12:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection1Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th104Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double1Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
The death of cheese, from a professional cheeser. Changing from 12 to 8 is just asking for StarCraft StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
Soma's ASL Finals Review FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ VPN experiences OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3723 users

KOTH match controversy - Page 4

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
pbjay
Profile Joined May 2005
173 Posts
June 06 2005 02:55 GMT
#61
Testie had the advantage. not just becoz of the lead in supply or resources. The advantage was also in the building sequence. breakdown chose to tech and mass hydra , which played right into the build of Testie. HT hardcore zealots chew through hydras. lurker tech was too late to be effective. The timing and control of Testie's first breakout attempt was a bit off, otherwise he could 've won the game right there.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 06 2005 02:55 GMT
#62
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..

So you tell me.. Where's the pride in everyone hating your guts? Where's the pride in refusing a regame?
Administrator
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 02:59:06
June 06 2005 02:58 GMT
#63
i believe both players have behaved very badly, specially since this is a competition for the community. Its really egoistic and disrespectable to Gosugamers.net to act in this way. None of them should be granted with the award.
The artist formerly known as Starparty
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#64
Aso one of the observers could used drophack to drop breakdown out in situation when testie was lossing....
never too old for starcraft :)
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#65
Also
never too old for starcraft :)
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:36:00
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#66
On June 06 2005 11:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

So you tell me.. Where's the pride in everyone hating your guts? Where's the pride in refusing a regame?


I don't see everyone hating their guts, I look at testie, possibly one of the most skillful yet bad mannered foreign bw player, always acting in an immature manner, interestingly has ocean of fan boys everywhere.---(Even though in this particular incident, I can understand why he claimed a win and denied a rematch initially..)
1tym is one time for your mind
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:00 GMT
#67
that's what we called amateur gaming ^^
Ultimate Tifa Fan
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
June 06 2005 03:02 GMT
#68
Regardless of who was "the one being gay" or whatever, now that they've both had time to cool down, they should reschedule and play the last game.

If I were admin I'd simply say, a rematch will be played. If both players come willingly. If one agrees to play and the other refuses, default win to the willing. If both refuse, admin decision.

Done and done.
ModeratorTL VOD legends: Live2Win, hasuprotoss, Cadical, rinizim, Mani, thedeadhaji, Kennigit, SonuvBob, yakii, fw, pheer, CDRdude, pholon, Uraeus, zatic, baezzi. The contributors make this site what it is. *Props to FakeSteve for respecting the guitar gods*
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
June 06 2005 03:07 GMT
#69
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c
1tym is one time for your mind
NeX-HamartiA
Profile Joined May 2005
United States244 Posts
June 06 2005 03:14 GMT
#70
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.
In The Arms Of.
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:15 GMT
#71
On June 06 2005 12:07 1tym wrote:
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c

lolz it doesnt make sense man . If the rule like that , I dont think Breakdown is stupid not to regame when Testie want to regame .
Ultimate Tifa Fan
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28804 Posts
June 06 2005 03:15 GMT
#72
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 11:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well, 1tym, this is mostly a showmatch with no prizes. if there were prizes, then I could easily understand why they would both want the win. but this is a showmatch.. the 7th game in a best of 7 being decided by a disconnect when the game is fairly even, (definitely neither side having WON) when the main purpose of the game is entertaining the hundreds of people who pay attention to these kinds of games, is BAD.


Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..



the point is, regardless of who gets appointed "king" if they don't play a regame, neither player will be remembered as a winner. this showmatch will remembered as the showmatch that ended 3-3 and then both players chickened out from playing. there's no real pride in winning that, however a prize would still be a real prize. bragging worths are big motivational factors for many players, but what's there to brag about when you play 3-3 and refuse to play the final game?
Moderator
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 06 2005 03:19 GMT
#73
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.
Moderator
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:37:02
June 06 2005 03:21 GMT
#74
On June 06 2005 12:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
On June 06 2005 11:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well, 1tym, this is mostly a showmatch with no prizes. if there were prizes, then I could easily understand why they would both want the win. but this is a showmatch.. the 7th game in a best of 7 being decided by a disconnect when the game is fairly even, (definitely neither side having WON) when the main purpose of the game is entertaining the hundreds of people who pay attention to these kinds of games, is BAD.


Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..



the point is, regardless of who gets appointed "king" if they don't play a regame, neither player will be remembered as a winner. this showmatch will remembered as the showmatch that ended 3-3 and then both players chickened out from playing. there's no real pride in winning that, however a prize would still be a real prize. bragging worths are big motivational factors for many players, but what's there to brag about when you play 3-3 and refuse to play the final game?


They refused to play the final game not to end the game as 3-3 status but to obtain a win without any risk of losing from playing another game, regardless of the fact that they both believed that they were in the lead. (Since they would've regamed for sure if they knew they'd take the next match 100%) Well one thing is for sure, it's hella better to be remembered as a winner due to forfeit than as a loser.--> Especially when testie is always going on about the winning ratio against other players.
1tym is one time for your mind
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:22 GMT
#75
On June 06 2005 12:19 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.

lolz that hurts twisted's ego ya know
Ultimate Tifa Fan
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 06 2005 03:22 GMT
#76
On June 06 2005 12:22 Final Heaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:19 Twisted wrote:
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.

lolz that hurts twisted's ego ya know


No, he's not adding anything useful to the topic, and I'm telling him he's an idiot and that he should stfu and get the fuck out of my topic.
Moderator
Addicted`To`Zerg
Profile Joined August 2004
Bulgaria1353 Posts
June 06 2005 03:24 GMT
#77
you can make a pool to chose : should there be a re mactch?
-PhiL-
Profile Joined March 2005
362 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:34:28
June 06 2005 03:31 GMT
#78
There wasnt a clear winner. Testie behaved bad manner, and after it, Break did. Still kinda strange, that Break says he didnt disc, so i dont know whats the truth now, after all.

I didnt watch the replay until now, but after all these reads i only come to one conclusion ( Trek and Ret, and many other think testie had advantage , eri , naz, twisted, and others think break had advantage), its as simple as this if u ask me :

Why do so good gamers not agree ? Because you cant really now who would have won this game, because it was all about a few questions : 1) Would Testie attack early enough, or after the lurks would have been spawned ? 2) Would he win vs the hyds with his troops ? it would have been all about the two players micro.. 3) Would have any of the two players made a big mistake ..!?

So this again shows us it would have been all about what would have happened in the next minute.. or maybe minutes.. NO ONE can know this..

So theres only one answer.. make a last deciding game OR a bo3 for the decision..

i think everyone should agree with this.. the canadian testie lovers.. and the breakdown lovers..

gogo regame/s
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
June 06 2005 03:42 GMT
#79
Is Breakdown really in Hitler Jugend ? lol
Listen to The Special One
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:50:19
June 06 2005 03:45 GMT
#80
On June 06 2005 12:15 Final Heaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:07 1tym wrote:
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c

lolz it doesnt make sense man . If the rule like that , I dont think Breakdown is stupid not to regame when Testie want to regame .


Don't you not agree that it makes more sense than giving breakdown a win if both players refuse to regame?
1tym is one time for your mind
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft732
Nina 105
RuFF_SC2 32
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5292
Rain 3442
Noble 37
Nal_rA 35
Dota 2
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 737
Counter-Strike
taco 560
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King54
Other Games
summit1g16128
hungrybox615
Maynarde137
ViBE22
minikerr11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick949
BasetradeTV161
Counter-Strike
PGL144
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 104
• practicex 39
• OhrlRock 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1131
• Lourlo682
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
8h 12m
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 12m
Replay Cast
20h 12m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 7h
Maestros of the Game
1d 11h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
GSL
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.