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pbjay
Profile Joined May 2005
173 Posts
June 06 2005 02:55 GMT
#61
Testie had the advantage. not just becoz of the lead in supply or resources. The advantage was also in the building sequence. breakdown chose to tech and mass hydra , which played right into the build of Testie. HT hardcore zealots chew through hydras. lurker tech was too late to be effective. The timing and control of Testie's first breakout attempt was a bit off, otherwise he could 've won the game right there.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 06 2005 02:55 GMT
#62
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..

So you tell me.. Where's the pride in everyone hating your guts? Where's the pride in refusing a regame?
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Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 02:59:06
June 06 2005 02:58 GMT
#63
i believe both players have behaved very badly, specially since this is a competition for the community. Its really egoistic and disrespectable to Gosugamers.net to act in this way. None of them should be granted with the award.
The artist formerly known as Starparty
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#64
Aso one of the observers could used drophack to drop breakdown out in situation when testie was lossing....
never too old for starcraft :)
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#65
Also
never too old for starcraft :)
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:36:00
June 06 2005 02:59 GMT
#66
On June 06 2005 11:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

So you tell me.. Where's the pride in everyone hating your guts? Where's the pride in refusing a regame?


I don't see everyone hating their guts, I look at testie, possibly one of the most skillful yet bad mannered foreign bw player, always acting in an immature manner, interestingly has ocean of fan boys everywhere.---(Even though in this particular incident, I can understand why he claimed a win and denied a rematch initially..)
1tym is one time for your mind
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:00 GMT
#67
that's what we called amateur gaming ^^
Ultimate Tifa Fan
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
June 06 2005 03:02 GMT
#68
Regardless of who was "the one being gay" or whatever, now that they've both had time to cool down, they should reschedule and play the last game.

If I were admin I'd simply say, a rematch will be played. If both players come willingly. If one agrees to play and the other refuses, default win to the willing. If both refuse, admin decision.

Done and done.
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1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
June 06 2005 03:07 GMT
#69
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c
1tym is one time for your mind
NeX-HamartiA
Profile Joined May 2005
United States244 Posts
June 06 2005 03:14 GMT
#70
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.
In The Arms Of.
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:15 GMT
#71
On June 06 2005 12:07 1tym wrote:
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c

lolz it doesnt make sense man . If the rule like that , I dont think Breakdown is stupid not to regame when Testie want to regame .
Ultimate Tifa Fan
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
June 06 2005 03:15 GMT
#72
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 11:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well, 1tym, this is mostly a showmatch with no prizes. if there were prizes, then I could easily understand why they would both want the win. but this is a showmatch.. the 7th game in a best of 7 being decided by a disconnect when the game is fairly even, (definitely neither side having WON) when the main purpose of the game is entertaining the hundreds of people who pay attention to these kinds of games, is BAD.


Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..



the point is, regardless of who gets appointed "king" if they don't play a regame, neither player will be remembered as a winner. this showmatch will remembered as the showmatch that ended 3-3 and then both players chickened out from playing. there's no real pride in winning that, however a prize would still be a real prize. bragging worths are big motivational factors for many players, but what's there to brag about when you play 3-3 and refuse to play the final game?
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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 06 2005 03:19 GMT
#73
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.
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1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:37:02
June 06 2005 03:21 GMT
#74
On June 06 2005 12:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 11:50 1tym wrote:
On June 06 2005 11:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well, 1tym, this is mostly a showmatch with no prizes. if there were prizes, then I could easily understand why they would both want the win. but this is a showmatch.. the 7th game in a best of 7 being decided by a disconnect when the game is fairly even, (definitely neither side having WON) when the main purpose of the game is entertaining the hundreds of people who pay attention to these kinds of games, is BAD.


Showmatch implies that a lot of people are looking forward to that particular games and as you mentioned, it is to be audienced by "hundreds of people who pay attention to these kind of games" right? You don't see why both player wanted a win?
Some players value the prize more, some value their pride more..



the point is, regardless of who gets appointed "king" if they don't play a regame, neither player will be remembered as a winner. this showmatch will remembered as the showmatch that ended 3-3 and then both players chickened out from playing. there's no real pride in winning that, however a prize would still be a real prize. bragging worths are big motivational factors for many players, but what's there to brag about when you play 3-3 and refuse to play the final game?


They refused to play the final game not to end the game as 3-3 status but to obtain a win without any risk of losing from playing another game, regardless of the fact that they both believed that they were in the lead. (Since they would've regamed for sure if they knew they'd take the next match 100%) Well one thing is for sure, it's hella better to be remembered as a winner due to forfeit than as a loser.--> Especially when testie is always going on about the winning ratio against other players.
1tym is one time for your mind
Final Heaven
Profile Joined February 2005
Japan310 Posts
June 06 2005 03:22 GMT
#75
On June 06 2005 12:19 Twisted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.

lolz that hurts twisted's ego ya know
Ultimate Tifa Fan
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
June 06 2005 03:22 GMT
#76
On June 06 2005 12:22 Final Heaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:19 Twisted wrote:
On June 06 2005 12:14 -HamartiA-ThreaT- wrote:
ret is right.
ret is top 5 non-koreans.
listen to ret.


..and you're an idiot.

lolz that hurts twisted's ego ya know


No, he's not adding anything useful to the topic, and I'm telling him he's an idiot and that he should stfu and get the fuck out of my topic.
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Profile Joined August 2004
Bulgaria1353 Posts
June 06 2005 03:24 GMT
#77
you can make a pool to chose : should there be a re mactch?
-PhiL-
Profile Joined March 2005
362 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:34:28
June 06 2005 03:31 GMT
#78
There wasnt a clear winner. Testie behaved bad manner, and after it, Break did. Still kinda strange, that Break says he didnt disc, so i dont know whats the truth now, after all.

I didnt watch the replay until now, but after all these reads i only come to one conclusion ( Trek and Ret, and many other think testie had advantage , eri , naz, twisted, and others think break had advantage), its as simple as this if u ask me :

Why do so good gamers not agree ? Because you cant really now who would have won this game, because it was all about a few questions : 1) Would Testie attack early enough, or after the lurks would have been spawned ? 2) Would he win vs the hyds with his troops ? it would have been all about the two players micro.. 3) Would have any of the two players made a big mistake ..!?

So this again shows us it would have been all about what would have happened in the next minute.. or maybe minutes.. NO ONE can know this..

So theres only one answer.. make a last deciding game OR a bo3 for the decision..

i think everyone should agree with this.. the canadian testie lovers.. and the breakdown lovers..

gogo regame/s
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
June 06 2005 03:42 GMT
#79
Is Breakdown really in Hitler Jugend ? lol
Listen to The Special One
1tym
Profile Joined April 2005
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-06 03:50:19
June 06 2005 03:45 GMT
#80
On June 06 2005 12:15 Final Heaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2005 12:07 1tym wrote:
HOWEVER, If at any point both players refuse a regame, then testie should be awarded a win since it was breakdown d/c

lolz it doesnt make sense man . If the rule like that , I dont think Breakdown is stupid not to regame when Testie want to regame .


Don't you not agree that it makes more sense than giving breakdown a win if both players refuse to regame?
1tym is one time for your mind
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