EPTKOTH match controversy - Page 2
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Meh, this is a silly controversy anyways ~^_^~ | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
understandably people are supporting breakdown from different directions, but if you add up people's arguments they dont make sense together, which takes away from their validity | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
blah it is silly and im gonna stop posting before i provoke people to counter what im saying and get myself tied up in some obligation to continue posting in this thread >.< | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On June 06 2005 10:07 NonY wrote: it's fucked up for breakdown to disconnect and then refuse to regame when testie offers. you cant disc and ask for win blah it is silly and im gonna stop posting before i provoke people to counter what im saying and get myself tied up in some obligation to continue posting in this thread >.< In breakdown's defense, when testie finally wanted to re, it was like 1 a.m. CET, a little late for a showmatch. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
 I can sympathize with both sides on wanting a win off it, but really, it's a particularly important game too... | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On June 06 2005 09:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: testie could DEFINITELY rightfully claim a regame. even if his own chances of winning were ~10%, it was the deciding game and breakdown was the one who disconnected. and I believe testie's chances of winning were closer to 50% than 10%, although I'd surely give the current advantage to breakdown. now, claiming a win when you don't have an obvious advantage is gay no matter who disconnected so in this case where testie definitely didn't have a clear advantage and arguably was at a disadvantage, the obvious solution to me would be regame but then testie was gay and immediately wanted a win cause he "couldn't possibly lose", and then breakdown retaliated through being gay on his own and refusing to regame after testie came to his senses and wanted a regame anyway. so unless something has happened since the last time I updated myself on this, they're both being kinda gay. Exactly right. They're both being gay. Testie must've been pissed after break disced and felt robbed. Break must've been pissed after Testie's early refusal. But if they can't enter this with clear heads and play a regame now that they've had a chance to cool down, they're just being stubborn assholes. Neither of them had they game won. It's retarded to say that. Additionally, I don't think either even had an advantage and people are letting their biases do the judging for them. Break had 21 hydras. Nothing else. Testie had 6 Zealots and 5 Templar behind a huge cannon wall. Testie had 2 fully active ecos, 6 gates, 2 gates building, extra min/gas, second forge coming, Attack upgrade, armour upgrade half done. Break had 2 fully active ecos, min only with 4 drones on it, 5 hatch, 6 hydras building, evo building, half done ranged attack upgrade, no hive yet, no tech higher than den. I'm sorry Twisted, but that doesn't look at all like Break had the game won. It was a 50/50 shot for them both, and as Nony said, the game had a lot of playing to do. Break was attacking the cannon wall (which he couldn't see) as the disc happened. Who knows how many hydras he would've lost before backing off. Testie would've massed a bit more and broke out with 1-1 upgrades against a zerg with maybe one attack upgrade done. I think you're letting your dislike of Testie blind you to the game situation. And for those talking about the contain, it wasn't even there anymore. 16 hydras sitting infront of a choke without lurker aspect done researching qualifies as a contain now? Gimme a fucking break. They should regame on the same map, the remaking the game idea is dumb seeing as they both know what is happening in the rep now. Any "remade win" would be meaningless. Just replay the game and bring this to a close. EDIT: As Nony did, I also forgot about the range up. o_0 Still doesn't change my opinion. | ||
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LeetJuice
Canada51 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On June 06 2005 10:22 FrozenArbiter wrote: Not range (evo was complete which makes me think you think his hydra range was halfway done which is not what I meant) -_- Range attack ie 1+ damage for hydras. I'm aware. By range upgrade I meant ranged attack up grade. He already had both den ups. Guess I'll edit it again, but that was what I ment.  | ||
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Samejima
Canada534 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
On June 06 2005 10:07 NonY wrote: it's fucked up for breakdown to disconnect and then refuse to regame when testie offers. you cant disc and ask for win blah it is silly and im gonna stop posting before i provoke people to counter what im saying and get myself tied up in some obligation to continue posting in this thread >.< Man, shut up! Testie immediately claimed the win and refuse to regame after breakdown came back online, now that would have pissed even Jesus off. I can understand why breakdown then refused to game. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
but still, regame is in order. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 06 2005 10:15 ManaBlue wrote: Break had 21 hydras. Nothing else. Testie had 6 Zealots and 5 Templar behind a huge cannon wall. Testie had 2 fully active ecos, 6 gates, 2 gates building, extra min/gas, second forge coming, Attack upgrade, armour upgrade half done. Break had 2 fully active ecos, min only with 4 drones on it, 5 hatch, 6 hydras building, evo building, half done ranged attack upgrade, no hive yet, no tech higher than den. I'm sorry Twisted, but that doesn't look at all like Break had the game won. It was a 50/50 shot for them both, and as Nony said, the game had a lot of playing to do. Break was attacking the cannon wall (which he couldn't see) as the disc happened. Who knows how many hydras he would've lost before backing off. Testie would've massed a bit more and broke out with 1-1 upgrades against a zerg with maybe one attack upgrade done. I think you're letting your dislike of Testie blind you to the game situation. And for those talking about the contain, it wasn't even there anymore. 16 hydras sitting infront of a choke without lurker aspect done researching qualifies as a contain now? Gimme a fucking break. I don't know which replay you were watching, but Breakdown's lurker aspect was nearly finished. Testie didn't have shit yet, with the constant 5 hatch stream of hydra's, Testie WOULD'VE been contained. And being a player who doesn't mindlessly sacrifice 12 hydra's on 6 zealots and 7 cannons, I don't think he would've lost more than 1 hydra to his 'attack'. In the right mindset (the one he probably had), he would've just checked it out, poked on testie's zealots a bit, see if he can keep him busy while getting lurkers. About the upgrade part, he was upgrading hydra weapon. I'm fairly certain that he would at least get a second evolution chamber afterwards. Even if testie would be able to get out, which I highly doubt, cannons wouldn't be up fast enough to counter the lurkers. And if he got contained, his robo wasn't even started, come on, there's no way Testie could win then. Testie himself even acknowledges that he probably would get contained, and says: oh contain isn't that hard to get out of, you just need storm! The fact of the matter is, he didn't even have a robotics facility yet. By the time he has it, Breakdown will have half the map, massive amounts of units, a gigantic eco, and a contain with 12 lurkers or more in that tight spot. Sure, storm away, before you have those lurkers erased, breakdown will have the chance to build 20 more. I'm sorry, but I don't see how anyone can say that it was 50/50. On a map like that which actually favours ZvP pretty much BECAUSE of the tight entrance, and what's most important, the gas expand where you can't even build a decent amount of cannons. The only thing Breakdown needed after his (probably succesful) contain, is to get drop, and gg. The reason why this game should be replayed actually, is because Breakdown was the one who disced. If it were Testie discing, he should certainly be getting the win. Oh, and I do not dislike Testie at all, he's at my friends list on Europe. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28784 Posts
I can see testie winning that game. seen him come back from worse scenarios many times, although at least 90% of the time due to his opponent somehow fucking up. I think breakdown had the advantage although small. and yeah, testie would probably have started a robotics right when the game ended (I didn't see one at least) but unless breakdown somehow morphed all lurkers in the same spot and testie tried busting out before they were finished morphing, he would have been contained, and on a map like that, it wouldve been a bitch to break out of. however at the same time it's very easy to elevate zealots and templars to go around the backdoor on the very same map, so you never know what would have happened. regame wouldve been the proper way to do it regardless of who had disced. :[ | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On June 06 2005 10:50 ret wrote: I think twisted is a good player.. most people's opinion doesnt matter, any good player can see that testie pretty much won the game unless he would majorly fuck on micro which he isnt known for doing so..... but still, regame is in order.  | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
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