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+ Show Spoiler + 1/12/2010 03:00:00 PM Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.
First, this attack was not just on Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted. We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant U.S. authorities.
Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves.
Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.
We have already used information gained from this attack to make infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal information like passwords online. You can read more here about our cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident.
We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today.
We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of increased access to information for people in China and a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China."
These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.
The decision to review our business operations in China has been incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to resolve the very difficult issues raised.
Original article: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
Summary: - Google cyber-attacked in mid-December and has intellectual property stolen - Further investigation shows at least 20 major companies across different sectors tracked also targeted - Main goal appears to be trying to access Gmail accounts of Chinese Human rights activists - Google.cn will no longer filter search results - Google may be shutting down google.cn and pulling out of China.
I'm surprised Google publicly shared this information but they appear quite ticked off. It should be interesting to see what developments transpire because of this and the effects on global freedom of speech.
Please try to keep your comments towards this issue civil and let's not have this degenerate into an anti-China/flame war thread.
>>> Update: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html <<<
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Some interesting related articles:
Google in China: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/google-in-china.html Chinese netizen response: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-google-2010jan14,0,3880471.story Chinese entrepreneurs and investors response: http://digital.venturebeat.com/2010/01/14/google-china/ Obama backs Google: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6983322/Obama-backs-Google-in-dispute-with-China.html
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I'm sure Baidu would be extremely happy if google pulled out of china. hahaha
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Wow I hate China now. When i went for vacation I couldn't access facebook or youtube or anything, and now Google's pulling out -__-
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
If you want to operate in China you have to follow China's rules. China doesn't need Google, but Google might want revenues from China's 1.3 billion population. I don't see Google getting any concessions because it doesn't have any leverage.
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Google is a public company. They were happy to censor their results and put up with the Chinese government when they thought they could make money there. Most likely this means they aren't making enough money in China to justify staying there and have been looking for a way to pull out but get a public relations win out of it. Though I would imagine fending off the Chinese government's hackers would raise your operating costs quite a bit.
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On January 13 2010 09:18 T.O.P. wrote: If you want to operate in China you have to follow China's rules. China doesn't need Google, but Google might want revenues from China's 1.3 billion population. I don't see Google getting any concessions because it doesn't have any leverage.
Google has leverage to influence other people/corporations/groups to follow suit.
Google is the most well known brand in the entire world, if they pull out people will notice.
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On January 13 2010 09:18 T.O.P. wrote: If you want to operate in China you have to follow China's rules. China doesn't need Google, but Google might want revenues from China's 1.3 billion population. I don't see Google getting any concessions because it doesn't have any leverage.
I don't believe that Google expects this to be a profitable decision. Which baffles me, can Google - a cooperation controlled by the rules of capitalism - do something good for goodness sake? I doubt it but I don't see how this can be profitable for them so... Yey! Go Google!
EDIT: Yea, mucker a few posts above me made me see things clearly. I agree with his post.
What was I thinking?
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Maybe Google is taking its motto "Don't be evil" seriously...
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On January 13 2010 09:19 mucker wrote: Google is a public company. They were happy to censor their results and put up with the Chinese government when they thought they could make money there. Most likely this means they aren't making enough money in China to justify staying there and have been looking for a way to pull out but get a public relations win out of it. Though I would imagine fending off the Chinese government's hackers would raise your operating costs quite a bit.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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google doesnt want to be in china, china has no girls.
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I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes.
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United States12607 Posts
On January 13 2010 09:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes. uhh….
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Belgium6771 Posts
On January 13 2010 09:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes.
I'd reaaally like to hear why google is evil in your eyes.
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On January 13 2010 09:25 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 09:18 T.O.P. wrote: If you want to operate in China you have to follow China's rules. China doesn't need Google, but Google might want revenues from China's 1.3 billion population. I don't see Google getting any concessions because it doesn't have any leverage. I don't believe that Google expects this to be a profitable decision. Which baffles me, can Google - a cooperation controlled by the rules of capitalism - do something good for goodness sake? I doubt it but I don't see how this can be profitable for them so... Yey! Go Google! EDIT: Yea, mucker a few posts above me made me see things clearly. I agree with his post. What was I thinking? I see it as damage control decision, to avoid future losses. First of all, I'd imagine the move would enhance Google's reputation of social responsibility. With Google already dominating the search engine market and rapidly expanding into other areas, fostering fears of monopolistic behavior from Google, combined with the negative press Google has gotten for projects such as Google Books, positive press can only help them.
I'd imagine that the cyber attack also caused second thoughts about the Chinese government too. China's government has shown no qualms in regard to securing social stability. Consider the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of foreign securities it buys each year to manipulate its currency exchange rate, all to protect Chinese industries. Now, after the cyber attack, it's not too hard to imagine the Chinese government doing things to hurt Google and help out local internet companies. After all, the cyber attack showed an utter lack of respect of Google's property. Perhaps the risk of further damages from the government outweighed the opportunity for profit.
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Incoming chinese defense force
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yeah google is basically nonexistent in china anyways baidu completely dominates
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
China has to have it's own internet and big search engine. I'd bet on it.
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On January 13 2010 09:46 Xeofreestyler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 09:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes. I'd reaaally like to hear why google is evil in your eyes.
I would as well. This has got to be good.
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I happen to work for Google, and I can tell you with complete certainty that mucker is totally wrong. China is (extremely) profitable. Some simple thought about how many ad views 20% of the (very large, and rapidly growing) Chinese search market gives you should be enough to convince you.
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On January 13 2010 09:55 blue_arrow wrote: yeah google is basically nonexistent in china anyways baidu completely dominates I wouldn't say Google is entirely nonexistent in China. Their market share is 29% whereas Baidu has 61%. It's roughly 2:1, but it's better than the alternative Chinese search engines.
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