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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2925 Posts
January 13 2010 01:02 GMT
#21
Sent the link to my friend in China.. his response:

Can't see.. link is blocked.

lmao
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 01:08:14
January 13 2010 01:04 GMT
#22
Wow I guess Google is really angry with that shit :/

disgusting move by whoever tried to access the accounts though (china!)
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 13 2010 01:05 GMT
#23
On January 13 2010 09:59 ZeroDPX wrote:
I happen to work for Google, and I can tell you with complete certainty that mucker is totally wrong. China is (extremely) profitable. Some simple thought about how many ad views 20% of the (very large, and rapidly growing) Chinese search market gives you should be enough to convince you.

I don't understand why they would want to choose to pull out then. Do google ceos hate their shareholders?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
January 13 2010 01:05 GMT
#24
I think it's cool that Google would be willing to give up such a huge market. It is pretty surprising though.
BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 13 2010 01:11 GMT
#25
This is like climatologists leaked e-mails v2.0
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 13 2010 01:11 GMT
#26
That's really interesting. Google is doing the right thing here, from what information we have, IMO.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 13 2010 01:12 GMT
#27
On January 13 2010 10:05 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 09:59 ZeroDPX wrote:
I happen to work for Google, and I can tell you with complete certainty that mucker is totally wrong. China is (extremely) profitable. Some simple thought about how many ad views 20% of the (very large, and rapidly growing) Chinese search market gives you should be enough to convince you.

I don't understand why they would want to choose to pull out then. Do google ceos hate their shareholders?


Don't be fooled, he doesn't work for google. Some one already posted facts that google is barely used in China. And I'm sure that if this had happened to any company, they would do the same.
Life?
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 01:17:11
January 13 2010 01:16 GMT
#28
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-losing-market-share-in-china/3816/

According to these results, one of the previous posters is correct, Google has about a 21% market share in China. Although it is not as dominant as Baidu, it is still _very_ substantial and Google would be losing a ton of money if it pulled out.
^-^v
ZeroDPX
Profile Joined April 2009
United States392 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 01:19:11
January 13 2010 01:18 GMT
#29
On January 13 2010 10:05 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 09:59 ZeroDPX wrote:
I happen to work for Google, and I can tell you with complete certainty that mucker is totally wrong. China is (extremely) profitable. Some simple thought about how many ad views 20% of the (very large, and rapidly growing) Chinese search market gives you should be enough to convince you.

I don't understand why they would want to choose to pull out then. Do google ceos hate their shareholders?


Larry and Sergey (and Eric) are the controlling shareholders. The stock is structured in such a way that basically nobody else gets much of a vote. And Larry and Sergey are really, really keen on doing what they think is the Right Thing To Do. It's one of the reasons I accepted my offer almost four years ago.

On January 13 2010 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Don't be fooled, he doesn't work for google. Some one already posted facts that google is barely used in China. And I'm sure that if this had happened to any company, they would do the same.


Uh huh.

Read this article about 2009 search share and be educated. Quote: "Baidu led in market share with 63.9% followed by Google at 31.3%." Noticeably higher than the round 20% I quoted (to be certain I wasn't overstating).

Edit:

On January 13 2010 10:16 Jin wrote:
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-losing-market-share-in-china/3816/

According to these results, one of the previous posters is correct, Google has about a 21% market share in China. Although it is not as dominant as Baidu, it is still _very_ substantial and Google would be losing a ton of money if it pulled out.


Note that this article is covering 2005-2006 data, so it's comparatively out of date.
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 01:24:14
January 13 2010 01:20 GMT
#30
Just to give you guys siding with google an alternate perspective:

A friend of mine works for a government organisation in Sydney (I will not mention the organisation or his name, it is irrelevant).

Anyways, a representative from google came to ask them/him for an "information sharing agreement". Here's a summary of what transpired.

Google: "Hey, wouldn't it be great if you could give us your timetabling and traffic info so we can publish it to the masses? The masses prosper!"
My friend (representative of organisation): "Wow that's a great idea google! Well, we don't want money for giving you this info but instead can we agree on some KPIs and/or SLA's and/or framework in regards to how/when this information is released"
Google: "No"
My friend: "But if the information will be issued in the public's interest then surely we have to set our a framework and performance criteria for serving the public. What do you expect? For us to just give you the info to do with as you please?"
Google: "Yes"

Summary:

IMHO Google just wants to capture as much public (read: free) information as possible and turn it into business ventures. They're not interested in ANY of us. This is not about the freedom of anything... They were unsuccessful in coaxing China like they've done to most other government organisations. Boo hoo!
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
jjl
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States85 Posts
January 13 2010 01:21 GMT
#31
No doubt Google is losing money over this, but maybe they felt it would at least reduce the risk of losing more intellectual property that would outweigh whatever profits they could get from google.cn.
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 01:31:23
January 13 2010 01:30 GMT
#32
Perhaps the chinese government asked for more concessions or maybe it just told google to go away, or demanded shares of the company. Chinese don't seem to be very fond of foreign companies at all.

I find it hard to believe google would pull out with a 30% market share at the most prime time to be in china unless there were other circumstances to go along with it. A bunch of script kiddies hitting gmail is not it.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
January 13 2010 01:37 GMT
#33
holy fuck china is such a joke country.. seriously..
hopefully their administration changes before they take over the world.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 13 2010 01:39 GMT
#34
On January 13 2010 10:37 niteReloaded wrote:
holy fuck china is such a joke country.. seriously..
hopefully their administration changes before they take over the world.


I want another Emperor
KTY
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
January 13 2010 01:40 GMT
#35
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
January 13 2010 01:42 GMT
#36
On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote:
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.

Free world that kill million innocents right? Their government is far less evil than yours, that's for sure. And what kind of freedom do you have, that chinese don't?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 13 2010 01:47 GMT
#37
On January 13 2010 10:42 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote:
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.

Free world that kill million innocents right? Their government is far less evil than yours, that's for sure. And what kind of freedom do you have, that chinese don't?

I can use blogger.com
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
January 13 2010 01:47 GMT
#38
On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote:
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.


Stop turning this into an anti-China thread, otherwise everything will just degenerate into a flame war.
^-^v
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
January 13 2010 01:51 GMT
#39
On January 13 2010 10:47 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 10:42 Magic84 wrote:
On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote:
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.

Free world that kill million innocents right? Their government is far less evil than yours, that's for sure. And what kind of freedom do you have, that chinese don't?

I can use blogger.com

You think they don't have an equivalent? Free access to Youtube, Zoo porn, um other kinds of porn, gore and other internet treasure. Okay. What else?
Democracy voting? Your population will vote for that guy media promotes, as simple as that and there is no other way.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 13 2010 01:55 GMT
#40
On January 13 2010 10:51 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 10:47 motbob wrote:
On January 13 2010 10:42 Magic84 wrote:
On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote:
Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country.

Free world that kill million innocents right? Their government is far less evil than yours, that's for sure. And what kind of freedom do you have, that chinese don't?

I can use blogger.com

You think they don't have an equivalent? Free access to Youtube, Zoo porn, um other kinds of porn, gore and other internet treasure. Okay. What else?
Democracy voting? Your population will vote for that guy media promotes, as simple as that and there is no other way.


Shhhh. You're spilling secrets here.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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