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On January 13 2010 15:04 MamiyaOtaru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote: Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country. I think we can pinpoint this post as the exact moment the thread turned into a shitstorm
Yep.
Sad news anyhow, but it does feel like there's a lot that we're not being told.
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On January 13 2010 12:28 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 12:09 Magic84 wrote:On January 13 2010 11:55 motbob wrote:On January 13 2010 11:53 Magic84 wrote:On January 13 2010 11:20 motbob wrote:How can you know what our media is like? I know for a fact that China restricts a whole bunch of freedoms and fails to guarantee others. I know that no matter what, freedom of the press in the United States is guaranteed. There have been attempts in the past from the U.S. government to squash that right (Pentagon Papers), and those attempts have been unsuccessful. On the other hand, the Chinese government claims to guarantee that right, but in reality does not. I know a whole bunch about your media and about media in general. The fact that it was free, or i'd say free for grabs, it allowed for organized effort to buy it out completely. Right now it is controlled. Right now it's the nastiest propaganda machine that world has ever seen, you are presented with very limited information, ignoring a lot of atrocious events and subjects and concentrating on minor violence and injustices in China or Middle East. Same can be said about Western and Eastern Europe but the situation is not as gross. It's not politically correct issue to talk about on american forum, but you will easily find out if you just try. "I'm going to make a lot of claims about something that I'm not directly experiencing, but I won't try to provide any evidence because it wouldn't be 'politically correct.'" I agree, it's just me being a pussy. Alright. What can you say about this Video? lol david duke used to be a grand wizard in the KKK. You gotta consider where this guy comes from rofl.
Don't you love the irony of someone criticizing something as a "propaganda machine" the same time a "Klansmen" has him eating out of his palm? Really entertaining stuff.
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ya i m pretty sure this spells the end of google.cn.
the worst thing you can ever do in China is to challenge the authority of the gov. by publicly refusing to filter search terms is a direct violation of the gov policy. the gov is well known for its intolerance of disobedience and utter lack of mercy.
i'd be surprised if google.cn can still be accessed from mainland by next week.
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On January 13 2010 15:04 MamiyaOtaru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 10:40 sith wrote: Maybe China will now realize that they are a bunch of fucking children and get with the rest of the free world. Jesus christ I'm fed up with this shit. "China executes tourists", "China bombs human rights activists families", blah blah blah that's all I hear about in the news about China. Grow up retards, at least pretend to act like a real country. I think we can pinpoint this post as the exact moment the thread turned into a shitstorm good save
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FYI,
i was in China in Oct 2009 and youtube.com, which is owned google, is not accessible from there.
so i guess google probably had some issues with the Chinese gov going back for some time now.
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as a history and current event buff... this thread makes me cringe. so many inaccuracies. sooo many blanket statements my eyes are bleeding.
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maybe this will be the first step to isolate China from the internet.
wall in China = no more chinese hackers
I have nothing against China as such, but there is a lot of dirty stuff coming from over there - and no i wasnt talking about CO2 this time.
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Looks to me Google suspected the Chinese government tried to hack them and got fed up with their BS.
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On January 13 2010 13:39 Cambium wrote: I have a feeling Google and China had some sort of disagreement other than Chinese organizations hacking Google's userdata.
I would be surprised if those organizations recently began the hacking; it must have been an ongoing process for a long time. I feel that Google only chose to disclose such delicate information as a result of a bigger conflict in interest.
I doubt we would ever hear the full story.
I agree.
People who are experienced with Google's affiliated marketing would know that Google's business is content delivery. The freer the market, the more Google will thrive.
I have no doubt that Google make a lot of money from Chinese market but how much of that really ends up in their pocket? I wouldn't be surprised if someone important suddenly decided that they want a piece of that pie.
Like it or not, to make money in China, you need to understand the 'Chinese reality'.
I wonder what will happen to that Lee Kai Fu guy, last time I heard, he is starting his own tech company, maybe he knows what's up.
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On January 13 2010 09:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes. Everything looks evil through the eyes of an idiot?
User was temp banned for this post.
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Anyone hear what happened to Baidu the other day? Apparently some Iranian hacker group hijacked it for a bit. A few hours damn near every Iranian government website got taken down/vandalized in response. Pretty lulz IMO.
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On January 13 2010 17:40 Taku wrote: Anyone hear what happened to Baidu the other day? Apparently some Iranian hacker group hijacked it for a bit. A few hours damn near every Iranian government website got taken down/vandalized in response. Pretty lulz IMO.
yeah, it was apparently the same group that took down twitter a little while back. strange - what would they be attacking china for?
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I don't think it is attacking China as much as attacking sites that get a lot of traffic?
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On January 13 2010 17:56 FragKrag wrote: I don't think it is attacking China as much as attacking sites that get a lot of traffic?
well, the same group ostensibly attacked twitter to criticize us interference within iran. i'd guess that the same message or at least a similar one is being peddled here.
i could be wrong but i've read that the image the chinese were redirected to was in Farsi and said:
"Iranian (Persian) Cyber Army, is formed (and is on the move), in protest for the meddling of the foreign and Zionist sites in our countries domestic affairs and broadcasting of false news and inciting of conflict."
but to be fair, that translation is taken from the nyt comment section and, as far as the so-called army, it's not even know who or where these guys are from, so it's all a bit of guesswork.
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I feel like I should write a letter of sincere appreciation to Google for standing up for what is right, albeit three years late.
Instead I'll just say mad props Google, mad props. They are risking millions of dollars (completely made up figure, could be billions) because of ethical issues. Not something many other corporations would do.
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Incoming the resident rabid Chinese nationalists. How long did it take this time? 2 pages?
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On January 13 2010 09:46 Xeofreestyler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 09:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't know who I dislike the most: Google or the Chinese governement. They are equally evil in my eyes. I'd reaaally like to hear why google is evil in your eyes. Because hackers and pirates can get huge fees when they are caught whereas google is basicly stealing thousands and thousands of books ( unpunished ) and they have no rights to do so.
They doesn't respect intellectual property but the music, game or book industries are just too affraid to sue them. Hopefully States aren't and that why Google got fined a couple of time for stealing the books of some State libraries in France.
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