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off topic but why does TM Internet Security suck so bad? :/
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On January 13 2010 19:10 Ace wrote:off topic but why does TM Internet Security suck so bad? :/
TM security sucks so bad cause our Anti-Virus Programmers are so limited.. it's like one anti-virus engineer vs a 1000 guys that updates a single worm/virus/trojan software.
Plus, the heuristics (used to detect the behavior of malicious software) really does suck unlike that of Kaspersky and NOD32 (back in the day)
let's just say that there is only a handful scientist that can create a cure for one variant of disease while the population is stupid enough to infect each other, hence, making more variants but the same disease.
So, meaning.. we just didn't have that many talent in trendmicro to slug it out with the millions and millions of guys that can create a dang fucked up virus within 30 minutes.
Anyway, combofix is getting no where as well as far I as heard, the malwares can stop it's processes thus preventing it from removing the .dll .exe etc files created by the malwares. 
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very interesting stuff. I actually had no idea there were THAT many guys writing viruses all the time.
and 30 minutes to create a virus? ouch :/
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If you want to fully understand why freedom of information would be a really bad idea in China then you should travel to China and live there, traveling around to some different cities (not just HK, SH and BJ), talk to a lot of different people, learn the culture, how people think, their education level, their morals, their way of life etc. You will probably find that the real China and the Chinese people are very different to what you have imagined. China has only just recently in the past twenty years been able to fill their stomachs. Yet still vast economic inequality still exists. I've been to a village in the rural areas of Guizhou and the average family there lives on 10 US dollars a month. The children there were so poor I wanted to cry and give them all the money I had so they could buy pencils and paper to go to school.
Chinese people have been poor for so long and invaded by so many countries that they are obsessive about wealth and will stop at absolutely nothing to attain it. A lot of people have the mindset "get rich or die trying", literally. The population of China is roughly four times that of the United States. Please take some time for this to sink in and realize how incredibly difficult that is to control if something were to happen, like an anti-government movement. When WCG finals were going to be held in Chengdu I knew that all the foreigners would think holy shit that's a lot of people but to me that was really pretty average.
Now imagine an entire country of people hellbent on getting money. The capacity of evil/crazy things the average Chinese person would set out to do for money is virtually unimaginable to the people of TL. That combined with the overall extremely low moral fiber they have, driving like lunatics, spitting everywhere, taking advantage everytime they think they can get away with it etc.
What the Chinese government is doing is pacifying them by limiting the amount of outside information they get, think of it as intellectual blinkers. This way no one makes any sudden movement and the economy moves forward steadily. This is the number one priority, not the luxury of freedom of information, which would be incredibly influential to a mass of people like the Chinese who are very poor at critical thinking but very very willing to get money.
I won't say anymore since there is too much to say. This is a very general and oversimplified explanation as to why China right now absolutely cannot have freedom of information. It would probably cause massive demonstrations, crime, outrage etc which is not good for the greater common good of economic development.
So no, it is not as easy as "fuck china freedom of information" etc.
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On January 13 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:
Incoming the resident rabid Chinese nationalists. How long did it take this time? 2 pages?
Why are there always comments like this in every thread pertaining to China?
MamiyaOtaru pointed out an instance of a rabid anti-Chinese post with little bearing to the thread that pretty much derailed it for a couple of pages. Your turn to point out a rabid Chinese nationalist.
Blind Chinese nationalism is annoying, but blind anti-Chinese sentiments are just as bad, and I'm getting tired of seeing them on TL.
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search tiananmen square with google.cn
then try google.com
o_O
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On January 13 2010 19:50 Dracid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:
Incoming the resident rabid Chinese nationalists. How long did it take this time? 2 pages? Why are there always comments like this in every thread pertaining to China? MamiyaOtaru pointed out an instance of a rabid anti-Chinese post with little bearing to the thread that pretty much derailed it for a couple of pages. Your turn to point out a rabid Chinese nationalist. Blind Chinese nationalism is annoying, but blind anti-Chinese sentiments are just as bad, and I'm getting tired of seeing them on TL.
50% of orgolove's post is drivel like that. People have pretty much learned to ignore him. =)
Also motbob, if you actually looked at that wiki article instead of spending five seconds to search for something to link, you wouldn't have made such retarded statements.
It seems people are confused at what a socialist government means.
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motbob
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On January 14 2010 00:04 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 19:50 Dracid wrote:On January 13 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:
Incoming the resident rabid Chinese nationalists. How long did it take this time? 2 pages? Why are there always comments like this in every thread pertaining to China? MamiyaOtaru pointed out an instance of a rabid anti-Chinese post with little bearing to the thread that pretty much derailed it for a couple of pages. Your turn to point out a rabid Chinese nationalist. Blind Chinese nationalism is annoying, but blind anti-Chinese sentiments are just as bad, and I'm getting tired of seeing them on TL. 50% of orgolove's post is drivel like that. People have pretty much learned to ignore him. =) Also motbob, if you actually looked at that wiki article instead of spending five seconds to search for something to link, you wouldn't have made such retarded statements. It seems people are confused at what a socialist government means.
You don't have the right to tell me I'm making retarded statements and then not back yourself up. I drew a clear distinction between the dichotomy of the promised as opposed to the actual freedom of the press in China and the true right of freedom of the press that we have in America. I did my best to link articles that weren't from biased sources, looking hard for a news article from Reuters instead of from a website dedicated to exposing Chinese human rights violations. What the hell gives you the right to sit on your high horse and call me an idiot?
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On January 14 2010 00:16 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 00:04 KissBlade wrote:On January 13 2010 19:50 Dracid wrote:On January 13 2010 18:15 orgolove wrote:
Incoming the resident rabid Chinese nationalists. How long did it take this time? 2 pages? Why are there always comments like this in every thread pertaining to China? MamiyaOtaru pointed out an instance of a rabid anti-Chinese post with little bearing to the thread that pretty much derailed it for a couple of pages. Your turn to point out a rabid Chinese nationalist. Blind Chinese nationalism is annoying, but blind anti-Chinese sentiments are just as bad, and I'm getting tired of seeing them on TL. 50% of orgolove's post is drivel like that. People have pretty much learned to ignore him. =) Also motbob, if you actually looked at that wiki article instead of spending five seconds to search for something to link, you wouldn't have made such retarded statements. It seems people are confused at what a socialist government means. You don't have the right to tell me I'm making retarded statements and then not back yourself up. I drew a clear distinction between the dichotomy of the promised as opposed to the actual freedom of the press in China and the true right of freedom of the press that we have in America. I did my best to link articles that weren't from biased sources, looking hard for a news article from Reuters instead of from a website dedicated to exposing Chinese human rights violations. What the hell gives you the right to sit on your high horse and call me an idiot?
Promised freedom of press? Once again, did you actually look into their constitution? If you tried your best to look for articles, you could've linked something more informative than a wikipedia article.
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motbob
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Oh fuck you're right, they amended it >.<
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On January 14 2010 00:25 motbob wrote:
Oh fuck you're right, they amended it >.<
=P
Anyway, I shouldn't have called you an idiot so I apologize for that. I just thought it was really silly that people keep holding their own pro-Western beliefs to apply to a country they know little about. Socialism has faults (hell I think it's an awful idea for countries like the US) but I think it's a necessary step in the development for a nation of China's size and history.
In other news, I HIGHLY doubt this is an "ethical issue" as Google tries to spin it. Their shares are in practical free fall, I think there's something fishy on this story.
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Can't stop the signal, Mal.
Whatever. China will do what it thinks is best for China and we can continue to look in from the outside, free of context and perspective and talk about how evil they are. To me, the important part of this story is that a huge corporation is willing to drop a large part of its operations for what, at least superficially, seems like largely a moral issue. That's pretty rad.
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On second thought, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if similar attacks have happened in order to gain access to Google's IP as opposed to the information of its users. This is an essential truth of the Chinese market - bring in your foreign ideas and we will copy them and do it on our own. China doesn't want Google, it want's Google's tech.
As an aside, I work for a technology company and we have started selling our equipment to various global markets. One that could have huge potential to us is China. But there's no way we'd ever go there. We bring our technology to China and it's a certainty that soon after we'll be competing with our own stuff - namely cheaper, Chinese knock-offs.
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Ha, big fuckin' surprise
So the biggest threat to Google from China is, as usual, the loss of its IP.
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On January 13 2010 19:47 pyrogenetix wrote:
If you want to fully understand why freedom of information would be a really bad idea in China then you should travel to China and live there, traveling around to some different cities (not just HK, SH and BJ), talk to a lot of different people, learn the culture, how people think, their education level, their morals, their way of life etc. You will probably find that the real China and the Chinese people are very different to what you have imagined. China has only just recently in the past twenty years been able to fill their stomachs. Yet still vast economic inequality still exists. I've been to a village in the rural areas of Guizhou and the average family there lives on 10 US dollars a month. The children there were so poor I wanted to cry and give them all the money I had so they could buy pencils and paper to go to school.
Chinese people have been poor for so long and invaded by so many countries that they are obsessive about wealth and will stop at absolutely nothing to attain it. A lot of people have the mindset "get rich or die trying", literally. The population of China is roughly four times that of the United States. Please take some time for this to sink in and realize how incredibly difficult that is to control if something were to happen, like an anti-government movement. When WCG finals were going to be held in Chengdu I knew that all the foreigners would think holy shit that's a lot of people but to me that was really pretty average.
Now imagine an entire country of people hellbent on getting money. The capacity of evil/crazy things the average Chinese person would set out to do for money is virtually unimaginable to the people of TL. That combined with the overall extremely low moral fiber they have, driving like lunatics, spitting everywhere, taking advantage everytime they think they can get away with it etc.
What the Chinese government is doing is pacifying them by limiting the amount of outside information they get, think of it as intellectual blinkers. This way no one makes any sudden movement and the economy moves forward steadily. This is the number one priority, not the luxury of freedom of information, which would be incredibly influential to a mass of people like the Chinese who are very poor at critical thinking but very very willing to get money.
I won't say anymore since there is too much to say. This is a very general and oversimplified explanation as to why China right now absolutely cannot have freedom of information. It would probably cause massive demonstrations, crime, outrage etc which is not good for the greater common good of economic development.
So no, it is not as easy as "fuck china freedom of information" etc.
This.
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Great post Flaccid. And I think we found the culprit!
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The Chinese press is now filled with debates and articles on this and I just read a few really insightful ones but too bad they are too long for me to translate anything. Anyways one comment is that in 5 years China will have more Internet users than US Japan Germany UK and France combined. That's when global Internet landscape will be dramatically different from now, and Google is forfeiting this big and still growing market. Google China may be still losing money in the short term, but losing this market all together is strategically such a much more gigantic and stupider loss.
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On January 14 2010 03:30 iloahz wrote:
The Chinese press is now filled with debates and articles on this and I just read a few really insightful ones but too bad they are too long for me to translate anything. Anyways one comment is that in 5 years China will have more Internet users than US Japan Germany UK and France combined. That's when global Internet landscape will be dramatically different from now, and Google is forfeiting this big and still growing market. Google China may be still losing money in the short term, but losing this market all together is strategically such a much more gigantic and stupider loss.
Google always has the option of getting back in the market when China isn't trying to steal their intellectual property.
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pyrogenetix's post is pretty f*cking interesting. Not sure if I trust that pyrogenetix is an objective observer though.
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On January 14 2010 03:39 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 03:30 iloahz wrote:
The Chinese press is now filled with debates and articles on this and I just read a few really insightful ones but too bad they are too long for me to translate anything. Anyways one comment is that in 5 years China will have more Internet users than US Japan Germany UK and France combined. That's when global Internet landscape will be dramatically different from now, and Google is forfeiting this big and still growing market. Google China may be still losing money in the short term, but losing this market all together is strategically such a much more gigantic and stupider loss. Google always has the option of getting back in the market when China isn't trying to steal their intellectual property.
But the reason of google's withdrawal is not about China trying to steal anything I assume. And even if google decides to get back in China some time in the future, it'll be a completely different game I think.
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IMO It has nothing to do with moral values or freedom or all the other bullshit they just don't like being hacked, "whats next the Chinese takes over the company ? Hell no, we are getting out of here." The Chinese government doesn't like this because Google might influence other companies to leave as well. "yo hear that Google is leaving lets get outta here before we get *hacked* too.
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