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On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ?
don't masquerade questions as examples to the contrary. just ask.
the simple answer is India has a completely different political atmosphere and although it has huge growth potential, it's not a contender for the geopolitical center of the world.
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Canada9720 Posts
On January 14 2010 09:36 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 09:17 Mickey wrote:
I applaud Google for what they are doing. They are basically setting an example for corporations to follow in relation to dealing with the current Chinese government.
i just love average joe's romanticizing of google like it's a person, that goes for these flower leavers too it's just stupid and so out of depth with the corporate reality. this is just PR tact like some have mentioned already
it's not a pr stunt. quit being a moron.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135105.htm
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On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ?
You call that paranoia? Now that's naive. You really don't know how "evil" media can be do you? And I'm not just talking about China-issues.
And by the way, India IS in Asia so I don't know why you're saying "Asian prejudice?". I don't really see why prejudice plays a part in all of this either to be honest. Perhaps you're being very long-sighted.
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On January 14 2010 11:05 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 09:36 .risingdragoon wrote:On January 14 2010 09:17 Mickey wrote:
I applaud Google for what they are doing. They are basically setting an example for corporations to follow in relation to dealing with the current Chinese government.
i just love average joe's romanticizing of google like it's a person, that goes for these flower leavers too it's just stupid and so out of depth with the corporate reality. this is just PR tact like some have mentioned already it's not a pr stunt. quit being a moron. http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135105.htm
do you understand the meaning of PR?
maybe you should follow ur own advice huh?
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Canada9720 Posts
it's not a pr stunt because the attacks were quite serious, and a couple dozen other fortune 500 companies were similarly attacked. the implication in google's press release, and the one from the state dept is that they suspect the attacks originated from the chinese govt. there's a lot of gossip about them coming from inside google china, but who knows. they're not posturing on anything; it's a serious situation
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Obviously Google is serious. Just check google.cn, the censorship has been lifted from that domain.
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...okay, so you don't know what PR is
go look it up
and I never said it's a PR stunt, I said tact
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United States12546 Posts
On January 14 2010 11:17 .risingdragoon wrote:
...okay, so you don't know what PR is
go look it up
Stop being condescending. We know what PR is. Usually, it's a term used to describe actions that a company takes to improve its image. If the government is involved, it means that Google's actions were not made for PR reasons only. Intervention from the U.S. government clearly means that Google is responding to a real threat.
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PR is the framing of existing events to give them the best possible appearance for your purpose
The attack already happened, but the public sure as hell doesn't have the whole picture. the point people like T.O.P brought up is cus the situation is complex and obviously more than the mere appearance is trying to suggest.
It's should be obvious cus the media dropped so many hints and subtle suggestions that "it's china dude china did it," they only stopped at explicitly stating it cus there's no evidence.
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On January 14 2010 11:07 Zexion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ? You call that paranoia? Now that's naive. You really don't know how "evil" media can be do you? And I'm not just talking about China-issues.
Well i read lot of different newspapers, ranging from the extreme left to the right and none are praising China. But eh you are right i'm sure that there is a giant conspiracy against this wonderful country. I mean those journalists MUST be spies or Chinese haters obviously.
They are brain washing us of course.
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I'm anxiously waiting for any announcement by the Chinese Government. Google certainly created good drama for the world to watch.
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On January 14 2010 10:55 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ? don't masquerade questions as examples to the contrary. just ask. the simple answer is India has a completely different political atmosphere and although it has huge growth potential, it's not a contender for the geopolitical center of the world.
Can you explain how China is more a contender than India for the geopolitical center of the world ?
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Canada9720 Posts
On January 14 2010 11:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
they only stopped at explicitly stating it cus there's no evidence.
of course there's evidence. you think google would publicly declare they may be withdrawing from china entirely if they didn't even have a bit of evidence? you think the US federal government would ask china for an explanation without proof? try to leave your chinese pride (im guessing you're chinese -- else you're just a complete tard) at the door
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On January 14 2010 11:27 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 11:07 Zexion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ? You call that paranoia? Now that's naive. You really don't know how "evil" media can be do you? And I'm not just talking about China-issues. Well i read lot of different newspapers, ranging from the extreme left to the right and none are praising China. But eh you are right i'm sure that there is a giant conspiracy against this wonderful country. I mean those journalists MUST be spies or Chinese haters obviously. They are brain washing us of course.
There is a flood of negativity towards China in media. It's too independent and strong right now politically and it's potential is enormous. It's only obvious than it needs to be destabilized from a "zionist" pov. Simple logic.
Also the video that i linked to earlier got removed... too bad, it was short, informative and good. Hard to grasp the content for a casual forum reader when it's coming from Duke, but this topic has nothing to do with racism. The leader of Iran actually talked about it in the anti-racism context in his famous speech.
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On January 14 2010 11:35 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 11:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
they only stopped at explicitly stating it cus there's no evidence. of course there's evidence. you think google would publicly declare they may be withdrawing from china entirely if they didn't even have a bit of evidence? you think the US federal government would ask china for an explanation without proof? try to leave your chinese pride (im guessing you're chinese -- else you're just a complete tard) at the door
it's got nothing to do with pride or whatever, this is the type of idiotic bullshit that's clogging up the political pipeline - let the facts be the facts without ad hominem, too hard? it doesn't matter if I'm chinese or not if I can think critically and not only along ethnic lines.
the whole discussion is hindged on the degree of knowledge - the public has the least. people think google knows more than they're telling and is using that knowledge to maneuver public opinion.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 14 2010 11:31 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:55 .risingdragoon wrote:On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ? don't masquerade questions as examples to the contrary. just ask. the simple answer is India has a completely different political atmosphere and although it has huge growth potential, it's not a contender for the geopolitical center of the world. Can you explain how China is more a contender than India for the geopolitical center of the world ?
India's democracy is notoriously corrupt. They have no infrastructure. Half of the population don't have access to clean water.
On January 14 2010 11:35 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 11:25 .risingdragoon wrote:
they only stopped at explicitly stating it cus there's no evidence. of course there's evidence. you think google would publicly declare they may be withdrawing from china entirely if they didn't even have a bit of evidence? you think the US federal government would ask china for an explanation without proof? try to leave your chinese pride (im guessing you're chinese -- else you're just a complete tard) at the door
I agree. I'm certain that Google has solid evidence. Could you imagine the backlash Google would get if people found out that the allegations were false. It's also not surprising that there are Chinese hackers trying to hack Google.
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On January 14 2010 11:31 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 10:55 .risingdragoon wrote:On January 14 2010 10:33 Boblion wrote:On January 14 2010 10:23 .risingdragoon wrote:
yeah, well don't trust the mass media.
now that the media has an agency behind it it's got its own political-economic agendas. they don't have to "lie" so much as deliberately skew the facts to give them a negative interpretation.
there's obviously been a media campaign going on against China as it grows to become even stronger. lol paranoia much ? Ok man India is also getting stronger and is a huge country too but i don't lot of bad things about this country in the medias. Why ? Asian prejudice ? don't masquerade questions as examples to the contrary. just ask. the simple answer is India has a completely different political atmosphere and although it has huge growth potential, it's not a contender for the geopolitical center of the world. Can you explain how China is more a contender than India for the geopolitical center of the world ?
yeah, well, that answer is way long and my opinion of the internet is that it'll teach you cut and dry skills but when it comes to world events you gotta do your own diligence.
the easiest answer is china has created a brand of capitalism that empowers itself rather than simply fall victim to it like so much of the world has already. it's pretty obvious that simply copying the same gameplan when you're late to the party will not get you back to the top.
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This is pretty simple. I don't understand why there is argument and mudslinging coming out of this.
Google is attacked, and releases a statement (in the OP) that implies, but is carefully not explicit, that the Chinese government had something to do with it. They say they are going to discuss with China a way in which they can remove restrictions in their Chinese service that were needed to access the Chinese market to begin with. They have said that this may lead to them ending their operations in China.
This is, in essence, all we know on the subject, and assertions beyond this are speculative. There is no reason to reduce ourselves to the tone that this thread has taken. It is a perfectly legitimate thread, and like so many current events threads, it will be closed if we cannot keep a civil tongue with one another.
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For people saying it's just a PR stunt, you forget that Sergey Brin and Larry Page still have majority voting power in the company. After them, Google employees own like another 30%+ voting power. While true that a companies obligation is to it's shareholders, when a company is set up such that two people own majority voting power, what these two people have to say matters a lot more. Brin and Page may have very well done it for human rights issues. I've met them in person, and they're both actually really nice folk. But then again, money can bring out the worst in people.
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I just think Google got attacked by the Chinese government because they don't follow any rule except for their own, and they now that Google pulling out doesn't really hurts China in any significant way. Now they are just trying to spin the whole thing and try to gain something from it, ¿you can't win by their rules?, pullout and at least gain some credit in the West.
The Chinese goverment is full of shit, but the fact is that the world has become so dependant on China that there is very little that anyone can do against them, and the Chinese themselves seem to care very little about the wrong doings of their goverment as long as they have a good economy.
Although, to be fair, that is probably more of a general human characteristic than a Chinese one.
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