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On September 20 2014 02:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean it's definitely doable to hex void pre-ult but there's turnrate concerns and if u have a hex he has a bkb.
Of course the turn rate in the main issue, that is why I think his cast point should go up or a slight channel time. At least then Lion or Rasta could be used to deal with his ass. Or some hero with a zero travel distance stun. Sheep isn't really viable since he will always have a BKB.
I just want him to up in slightly more effort before everyone can't move or get away from him.
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On September 20 2014 02:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean it's definitely doable to hex void pre-ult but there's turnrate concerns and if u have a hex he has a bkb.
The main reason this is difficult is ping.
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On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back
I played it without bitching. Why can't you?
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On September 20 2014 02:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean it's definitely doable to hex void pre-ult but there's turnrate concerns and if u have a hex he has a bkb. Of course the turn rate in the main issue, that is why I think his cast point should go up or a slight channel time. At least then Lion or Rasta could be used to deal with his ass. Or some hero with a zero travel distance stun. Sheep isn't really viable since he will always have a BKB. I just want him to up in slightly more effort before everyone can't move or get away from him.
Why are you saying that hero-based hexes are unable to handle him while item-based hexes are? Or are you talking about relative game times?
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On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you?
I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic.
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On September 20 2014 02:16 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On September 20 2014 02:09 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:08 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 20 2014 02:07 pedrlz wrote:
Also, why nobody is talking about Liquid Fire? most bullshit spell ever lol Because jakiro only has that 1 ability and he's got the worst other stuff (cast point, turnrate, etc) so he deserves something OP out of pity He is kinda broke right now, though. Not mega broke, but kinda broke. Games feel so easy with core Jak. First, let me laugh in glee as my old theorycrafting has finally become the object of much whine. Second, are you saying that core Jakiro is easy to use in pubs or that core Jakiro lacks sufficient counter-strategies at all levels of play? Pros can do whatever the fuck they want. Core Jak is good there, but not overpowering. In pubs, if you have even the slightest semblance of team organization, it's stupidly easy to pick core Jak and win with him. Nobody's ever done it to me that I can recall, which is strange.
Eh, is that really bad though? No one's crying for Necrophos and Abaddon nerfs even though they dominate pub winrates. Can you imagine how bad Omniknight would get if he was adjusted for pro play? He's already second despite all the complaining about his flaws.
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On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic.
Part of what's wrong with this patch is that every position is a farming position. That's what's contributed to this constant 5man and early push annoyance. Of course I'm going to object to you saying that a ridiculously low-cost item (for all it delivers) is too "hard to farm" already.
If you really think it's so difficult to get, then just build Force Staff. It's still an item.
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On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic.
I mean sure i don't want the old brown boots + wand at 25 mins meta but all your balance requests boil down to "I suck ass at farming as support please give me free items anyway" it gets boring.
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the game is at its best state, doesn't need any changes.
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On September 20 2014 02:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:16 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On September 20 2014 02:09 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:08 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 20 2014 02:07 pedrlz wrote:
Also, why nobody is talking about Liquid Fire? most bullshit spell ever lol Because jakiro only has that 1 ability and he's got the worst other stuff (cast point, turnrate, etc) so he deserves something OP out of pity He is kinda broke right now, though. Not mega broke, but kinda broke. Games feel so easy with core Jak. First, let me laugh in glee as my old theorycrafting has finally become the object of much whine. Second, are you saying that core Jakiro is easy to use in pubs or that core Jakiro lacks sufficient counter-strategies at all levels of play? Pros can do whatever the fuck they want. Core Jak is good there, but not overpowering. In pubs, if you have even the slightest semblance of team organization, it's stupidly easy to pick core Jak and win with him. Nobody's ever done it to me that I can recall, which is strange. Eh, is that really bad though? No one's crying for Necrophos and Abaddon nerfs even though they dominate pub winrates. Can you imagine how bad Omniknight would get if he was adjusted for pro play? He's already second despite all the complaining about his flaws.
I just called him kinda broke, not mega broke.
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On September 20 2014 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic. all your balance requests boil down to "I suck ass at farming as support please give me free items anyway" it gets boring.
Get real dude. If you're going to try and sit on my nuts at least say something that is close to accurate.
User was warned for this post
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On September 20 2014 02:27 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic. all your balance requests boil down to "I suck ass at farming as support please give me free items anyway" it gets boring. Get real dude. If you're going to try and sit on my nuts at least say something that is close to accurate.
Blink is stupid cheap. Farming it shouldn't be an issue.
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Lone druid.
turn rate .6
Movespeed 330
bear base movespeed 325
Movement speed loss on true form 35
leash range 1200
basically just want lone druid buffs.....
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On September 20 2014 02:29 r_con wrote:
Lone druid.
turn rate .6
Movespeed 330
bear base movespeed 325
Movement speed loss on true form 35
leash range 1200
basically just want lone druid buffs.....
Let's just have the Armlet bug returned as an intentional feature. I always kind of liked it.
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On September 20 2014 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic. I mean sure i don't want the old brown boots + wand at 25 mins meta but all your balance requests boil down to "I suck ass at farming as support please give me free items anyway" it gets boring.
I like the meta where supports get more tools to work with, but that is just me. The days of being super poor were not as interesting for me. I respect peoples opinion that they want to go back to that era because they found it more enjoyable, but I am not going to change my mind.
Any claim that the argument is anything more than a matter of taste is silly, however.
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On September 20 2014 02:29 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:29 r_con wrote:
Lone druid.
turn rate .6
Movespeed 330
bear base movespeed 325
Movement speed loss on true form 35
leash range 1200
basically just want lone druid buffs..... Let's just have the Armlet bug returned as an intentional feature. I always kind of liked it.
LOL
ok ill take my LD 66% winrate ty very much
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I am expecting heavy nerfs on Brewmaster/Lycan/Faceless Void ulties. Maybe even DP.
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On September 20 2014 02:26 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On September 20 2014 02:09 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:08 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 20 2014 02:07 pedrlz wrote:
Also, why nobody is talking about Liquid Fire? most bullshit spell ever lol Because jakiro only has that 1 ability and he's got the worst other stuff (cast point, turnrate, etc) so he deserves something OP out of pity He is kinda broke right now, though. Not mega broke, but kinda broke. Games feel so easy with core Jak. First, let me laugh in glee as my old theorycrafting has finally become the object of much whine. Second, are you saying that core Jakiro is easy to use in pubs or that core Jakiro lacks sufficient counter-strategies at all levels of play? Pros can do whatever the fuck they want. Core Jak is good there, but not overpowering. In pubs, if you have even the slightest semblance of team organization, it's stupidly easy to pick core Jak and win with him. Nobody's ever done it to me that I can recall, which is strange. Eh, is that really bad though? No one's crying for Necrophos and Abaddon nerfs even though they dominate pub winrates. Can you imagine how bad Omniknight would get if he was adjusted for pro play? He's already second despite all the complaining about his flaws. I just called him kinda broke, not mega broke.
Wasn't time walk buffed at some point making it so he could move farther? I seem to remember that. That could be another solution, because right now its is really hard to see void coming, especially when pushing.
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On September 20 2014 02:28 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 02:27 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:25 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 20 2014 02:21 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:19 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:16 FHDH wrote:On September 20 2014 02:15 Acritter wrote:On September 20 2014 02:11 FHDH wrote:
Please don't increase Blink cost. It's so hard to farm in some games as a support already and doing things like increasing the cost and/or cooldown isn't going to stop it from being the item of choice, just make support lives more painful. Supports used to get by with the famous 25 minutes brown boots wand. This patch is not the norm. It is the outlier. Fun game bro bring it back I played it without bitching. Why can't you? I wonder if we can stop this thread from being an oldschooler dickswinging contest? Two can play that game but it's not a fun game or interesting or on topic. all your balance requests boil down to "I suck ass at farming as support please give me free items anyway" it gets boring. Get real dude. If you're going to try and sit on my nuts at least say something that is close to accurate. Blink is stupid cheap. Farming it shouldn't be an issue.
Most games it isn't, but the games that it is, as a support I find the suggestion of an additional 1-200g just needlessly painful. I understand the desire to bring SB/FS/Blink more on par but I don't like this approach.
It's like the suggestions to nerf Rhasta. Maybe other supports should just be better, not Rhasta made worse.
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On September 20 2014 00:51 teddyoojo wrote:
i honestly dont care what it is, as long as it comes soon.
This, Meta is stale, just change something so we can start experimenting new things.
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