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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 17:05 GMT
#29561
On May 04 2013 01:52 Belial88 wrote:
I'm not asking where you live. I'm asking do you live near one of these stores.

http://microcenter.com/site/stores/default.aspx

Best buy often pricematches them (but sometimes they have a stuck-up manager, not common though) so that's why, if you don't live near MC, we need to know if you live near best buy. If you don't live near microcenter, then you wont be able to make that killer rig on budget.

You don't need a paypal account, that's fine.

Streaming can be quite intensive, so a 'killer rig' is kinda necessary, especially for 2v2s streaming. You could make do with much less but if you are willing to spend a bit more, you can definitely get something a lot nicer. I'll try to see if we can make $500 work but it's going to be difficult and time consuming.




Ok, I do not live near a micro center and I doubt Best Buy would pricematch because the nearest one is 300 miles away. Also, I don't plan on streaming 2v2s. I really appreciate your help on this, man. Sorry if my lack of computer knowledge pisses you off at any point. xD
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FlilFlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 17:43:11
May 03 2013 17:29 GMT
#29562
On May 03 2013 06:10 Belial88 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


Haswell is coming out on june 3rd, it'll be a bit more expensive but it might be worth the money. You could always sell/return what you buy now though - i5-3570k, Z77-D3h (if you can buy i5-3570k+ud3h from microcenter, even better).

motherboard is a bad choice, you can't overclock with it and the ds3h series of boards suck. The Z77X-D3H is a better choice. There might still be that special for an asrock extreme4 + i5-3570k, it's not as good but if it's still got that $60 off special then it's a good price for it and the i5.

heatsink is a bad choice and overpriced. For $39 at 6pm, get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118097&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-CPU Cooling-_-Zalman Tech Co. Ltd-_-35118097

It will be $39 at 6pm tonight, you should definitely buy it. It will only be for sale for a few hours, so really hop on it. It's a good price for a higher end cooler.

Get this RAM instead, it's $20 cheaper right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313086
You can easily hit 1600mhz CL9 with 1.65v, you could do better with 1.75v, if you care.

Do you really need 1TB of data? How much storage space are you currently using? Gaming/streaming rigs generally dont need more than 128gb. If you do, you can always get a 2nd drive very easily...

It's also a huge fail not to have an SSD in your build, for the price and budget you have. Frankly it's a fail not to have an SSD in any modern build. The OCZ Agility 4 128gb is $78 on newegg email special right now.

650TI is not a good card, or rather, it's priced poorly. Here's some better choices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011
7770, which performs similarly, sell the bundled games and get it for basically $99AR - $20 = $79. Fair price for it.

Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127726
7790 for $139AR - $20 = $119.

Avoid the CX500. The CX line is a low quality line, I've had 2 blow out on me and the fans are obnoxious. Corsair has great support though - if you want to get a cheap psu, the cx430 is redeemable when it's $20-30 but currently they aren't on cheap prices. Get a rosewill capstone instead 450w, right now there aren't any particularly special PSU sales going on.

No compatibility issues. You sure about the no overclocking thing? it makes a huge difference. Companies cannot tell if you overclocked, intel has a $20 'performance tuning plan' that basically guarantees if you blow out your chip or do any damage, a no questions asked replacement is given (although with their regular warranty they dont ask any questions and cant tell you overclocked anyways). GPUs are covered in warranty with overclocking and have BIOS limits so you can't overvolt them further than the manufacturer is okay with. It makes a HUGE difference, you really HAVE to overclock.

For example an i5-3570k at stock will go down to the 30s, possibly 20s, or so in a stream in 1v1, but overclocked your min fps will be above 40s even, and for a much lower cost. If you really insist on not overclocking and have mediocre gaming and streaming performance though, then a locked i7 and a much, much cheaper motherboard, and no heatsink, would be a better choice. Basically the cheapest motherboard would be fine, really.




You certainly have my interest peaked regarding overclocking. I have 1000$ canadian dollars and i want to get the biggest bang for my buck, and if overclocking gets me there then i would go for it.

Your signature gives a link to an interesting build with a 3770k CPU. Originally that's what i wanted to build my computer around but i was recommended to step down to a Xeon under the pretense of budgeting and getting a better GPU, but you're making me reconsider..

I want to play sc2 on basically all low settings except for textures and effects and stream it comfortably in a decent resolution (720 p i guess) i have 20 Mbps down and 1.8 Mbps Up. Performance is important to me when it comes to in game battles with large numbers of units, so if CPU overclocking is how i achieve performance than should i go i5 or i7?

My case is quite old, it's regular ATX form factor though, i think. I've also got windows xp 32 bit so i need to upgrade.
And, i've got my monitor... I'm prepared to wait for deals and accumulate my parts over the period of a month or so. I'm also prepared to do in-store pickups to anything that is near Halifax, Nova-Scotia, Canada.

With most of your suggestions here is an updated list of parts. I still don't know which processor i should get though, unfortunately im not going to be able to buy that CPU cooler because i don't have my payment method set up yet, but i can see that it would be an excellent buy.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/UL77

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 12GB (3 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.21 @ NCIX US)
Storage: A-Data S510 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($94.44 @ Amazon)

Total: $577.48

vidi, vici, veni
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 17:39:12
May 03 2013 17:30 GMT
#29563
Here's a build:

i5-3570k $169 Microcenter

MSI Z77A-G41 $34AR. It's a piece of crap! But for $34 it's a very cheap piece of crap!
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=999904

newegg cheapest 1x4gb stick of ram $26 1333CL9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148538

nzxt source 210 case $34 newegg

pc power and cooling silener mk3 400w $49 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703034
At the moment, nothing cheaper is worthwhile. This is a good psu, just might be a bit expensive for you.

Intel 320 80GB, make an offer for $50, then 55, maybe 60. Nothing more (his BIN for $75 is absurd).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SSD-320-Series-80GB-3GB-s-2-5-SATA-Solid-State-Drive-SSDSA2CW080G3B5-/290910580423?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item43bb9f2ec7

Nothing else is really worthwhile for ssd or out of budget

Zalman budget dual tower for $29 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133

$396 You can even fit the i7-3770k in your budget for an extra $60! Not really necessary but will definitely help with a better stream. Although honestly I'd recommend the ud3h + better heatsink if you wanted to spend more money. UD3H for $75 more is worth it if you think you'll enjoy overclocking....

For a graphics card... i think maybe a 4850, or 4870 off ebay would be a good choice, but currently there are no good buy it now listings, meaning you would have to follow a bunch of biddings and it'd be time consuming all for a card that'll struggle to do medium, high. Maybe a 8xxx or 9xxx would be a better buy, if someone else could comment on a GPU for $20-50 that'd be nice.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
May 03 2013 17:35 GMT
#29564
Best buy will most often price match microcenter, doesnt matter how close. It's really up to how much the manager wants to be a jerk-off, so you should call best buy in advance and ask if they will price match microcenter's i5-3570k. You probably won't fit your build under $600 if you can't do this.

wow, no microcenter, damn i wrote all that out... okay so that means like $100 more for a motherboard, possibly $60 more for the CPU if you can't get best buy to price match....

you aren't going to get a killer build under $500. Can you do under $600? Or you can spend more than 500 but you want to really shave corners?

I hope you understand that the build I recommended above, is already quite extreme in the corner cutting. There's quite a few parts in there that sacrifice quality and value for a lower price. Parts that don't affect performance (like case, power supply), but will affect user experience or efficiency or overclockability or aesthetics. It's a perfectly fine build but the 4850 is like a 6 year old card, the intel 320 is like 4, 5 years old or so now?
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 17:48 GMT
#29565
yeah, I am trying to go 500-600, so under 600 is fine. Aren't those gfx cards like... horrible, lol. My current system has a 4250 and i thought you needed at least an raedeon 6850 to play on medium. Either way, if you think I can stream 720p and play with no lag, I will do that.
Vega Squadron Player || StarCraft II entusiast
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 03 2013 17:52 GMT
#29566
@FlilFlam: I think that memory kit you chose looks like that because there was some socket that could access memory in a triple-channel mode (LGA1366 ?). You should look into kits with two memory sticks, LGA1155 socket uses dual channel.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 03 2013 17:58 GMT
#29567
On May 04 2013 02:48 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:
yeah, I am trying to go 500-600, so under 600 is fine. Aren't those gfx cards like... horrible, lol. My current system has a 4250 and i thought you needed at least an raedeon 6850 to play on medium. Either way, if you think I can stream 720p and play with no lag, I will do that.

Look at this list: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

It's a rough comparison of the performance of graphics cards. The cards in the same row have similar performance. Use that so that you can look at all deals you can find even if it's not the exact graphics card you're searching for. You can also use that to understand how used old graphics cards you look at on ebay compare to current new cards.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
May 03 2013 18:06 GMT
#29568
For a gaming build you shouldn't get a Xeon... it's okay if you need that 6/12 cores but i really wouldn't recommend them over an i7-3770k... please be careful who gives you advice on computers, i dont think you'll see xeons recommended in this thread often for example.

If you want to play on low-medium, get some junk card, you can save a ton of money buying just a $20-30 card.

Your upload is so bad though, that your stream is going to look bad. You could do 720@60fps but the quality of your stream would look really poor. Maybe it's better you do 720@30fps with your bitrate (if someone could chime in on this that'd be great). You could easily get a Phenom x4 and build a $300-400 computer to easily do 720@30 and even do 720@60fps just fine. Like your bitrate is really low, you need to get that fixed. you really need like 2.5mb/s up at least, for a really good 720 stream i think, unless you use a low fps.

The 12gb of RAM is a bit goofy and those mushkins you picked out aren't the fabled PSC or BBSE wonder RAM like I have, you need to get mushkin 2GB density sticks like 996902 or 996826 if you want awesome RAM that does 2400mhz, because PSC is only made in 2GB densities (they started to suffer when 4GB ram became more popular and got bought out years ago, similar fate to BBSE).

However if you want awesome ram that can overclock far, there's the Crucial Ballistix Low Profile 1600 CL8 2x4GB ram that can do 2200mhz CL11. That's way slower than 2400 CL8 but finding PSC and BBSE these days is a pain in the ass and you would have to buy them on a trading forum nowadays. You can find LPs for around $75 right now I believe. There's also some crucial sports that overclock similarly. I only mention this because it sounds like you want to emulate my build, having chosen obscure mushkin ram and all, and I appreciate the compliments but the RAM you chose, I'm just letting you know, is not what I have.

And why did you pick a 3x4gb kit? That's for tri-channel stuff (all ram is the same), you could run it but there's no reason to have more than 8gb of ram nowadays anyways. I suppose if you want to save money maybe you could buy like 3x2gb of RAM if you cared but wut.

The a-data s510, as i understand, actually isn't that bad of a drive.

The 7770 is too powerful for your needs, it would max sc2 out easily. You could half the cost (99AR-$20 to sell games off on ebay = $79) to like a $40 4870 that could play on high. It would be kind of a pain in the ass to find one though, and it sounds like you have more than enough money.

For a heatsink.... that zalman I recommended $29 AR, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133 is a really good deal, it's right on that mid-high level (a very good mid-range, very low high range), like an h80. a really good heatsink, good price at $29.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 18:09 GMT
#29569
On May 04 2013 03:06 Belial88 wrote:
For a gaming build you shouldn't get a Xeon... it's okay if you need that 6/12 cores but i really wouldn't recommend them over an i7-3770k... please be careful who gives you advice on computers, i dont think you'll see xeons recommended in this thread often for example.

If you want to play on low-medium, get some junk card, you can save a ton of money buying just a $20-30 card.

Your upload is so bad though, that your stream is going to look bad. You could do 720@60fps but the quality of your stream would look really poor. Maybe it's better you do 720@30fps with your bitrate (if someone could chime in on this that'd be great). You could easily get a Phenom x4 and build a $300-400 computer to easily do 720@30 and even do 720@60fps just fine. Like your bitrate is really low, you need to get that fixed. you really need like 2.5mb/s up at least, for a really good 720 stream i think, unless you use a low fps.

The 12gb of RAM is a bit goofy and those mushkins you picked out aren't the fabled PSC or BBSE wonder RAM like I have, you need to get mushkin 2GB density sticks like 996902 or 996826 if you want awesome RAM that does 2400mhz, because PSC is only made in 2GB densities (they started to suffer when 4GB ram became more popular and got bought out years ago, similar fate to BBSE).

However if you want awesome ram that can overclock far, there's the Crucial Ballistix Low Profile 1600 CL8 2x4GB ram that can do 2200mhz CL11. That's way slower than 2400 CL8 but finding PSC and BBSE these days is a pain in the ass and you would have to buy them on a trading forum nowadays. You can find LPs for around $75 right now I believe. There's also some crucial sports that overclock similarly. I only mention this because it sounds like you want to emulate my build, having chosen obscure mushkin ram and all, and I appreciate the compliments but the RAM you chose, I'm just letting you know, is not what I have.

And why did you pick a 3x4gb kit? That's for tri-channel stuff (all ram is the same), you could run it but there's no reason to have more than 8gb of ram nowadays anyways. I suppose if you want to save money maybe you could buy like 3x2gb of RAM if you cared but wut.

The a-data s510, as i understand, actually isn't that bad of a drive.

The 7770 is too powerful for your needs, it would max sc2 out easily. You could half the cost (99AR-$20 to sell games off on ebay = $79) to like a $40 4870 that could play on high. It would be kind of a pain in the ass to find one though, and it sounds like you have more than enough money.

For a heatsink.... that zalman I recommended $29 AR, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118133 is a really good deal, it's right on that mid-high level (a very good mid-range, very low high range), like an h80. a really good heatsink, good price at $29.


that's a lot of info, could you just give me a list of parts and where the best place to buy them. Sorry for the inconvenience, I just don't want to do the wrong thing, lol
Vega Squadron Player || StarCraft II entusiast
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 03 2013 18:21 GMT
#29570
That was for Mr. FlilFlam's build, not for you.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 18:22 GMT
#29571
oh TT ^ lol
Vega Squadron Player || StarCraft II entusiast
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
May 03 2013 18:22 GMT
#29572
http://www.atdcomputers.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MZ-7TD120BW

$88 for a samsung 840 128gb. FlimFlam, it's a faster SSD than yours and cheaper, get that instead.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 03 2013 18:24 GMT
#29573
On May 04 2013 03:06 Belial88 wrote:
For a gaming build you shouldn't get a Xeon... it's okay if you need that 6/12 cores but i really wouldn't recommend them over an i7-3770k... please be careful who gives you advice on computers, i dont think you'll see xeons recommended in this thread often for example.


There are some Xeons that are worthwhile. The E3-1200V2 series (1230V2, 1245V2). These are Ivy Bridge Xeons with hyperthreading. So you basically have an i7, but prices are closer to the i5 3570K. The 1345V2 has the same base/turbo clocks as the i7 3770, but at a lower price. The main downside is that they're not unlocked, so they're only nice for people that absolutely don't want to overclock. You also don't get an IGP, but who cares about that. A reasonable option for people that want to stream, but not OC.

Still, overclocking a 3570K is cheaper and will perform better.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 19:05:01
May 03 2013 18:43 GMT
#29574
On May 04 2013 02:48 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:
yeah, I am trying to go 500-600, so under 600 is fine. Aren't those gfx cards like... horrible, lol. My current system has a 4250 and i thought you needed at least an raedeon 6850 to play on medium. Either way, if you think I can stream 720p and play with no lag, I will do that.


Yes, those graphics cards are definitely 'horrible'. But 'horrible' is all you need to play sc2. Do you want to play on low/medium and dont care about graphics or what? You can always upgrade in the future, you know. Your posts made it seem you didn't care. Even with a $600 budget, you are still very limited in budget, if you are perfectly okay with low graphics than I'd still put the money elsewhere. If graphics matters to you, we can get you a better GPU, but the rest of your build will still suffer. It's all give and take, you just need to be clear on what exactly you want on graphics.

A 6850 performs similar to a 4850 - they are both xx50, mid-range cards, 6850 is just slightly newer version of the same, mid-range card, so it's slightly better. I've used a 4850, for reference - it'll do medium, maybe with a few reduced settings. It's a very cheapo card. Simply trying to fit your $500 budget.

Look at this list: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

It's a rough comparison of the performance of graphics cards. The cards in the same row have similar performance. Use that so that you can look at all deals you can find even if it's not the exact graphics card you're searching for. You can also use that to understand how used old graphics cards you look at on ebay compare to current new cards.


I dunno if I like that list much, I understand it's not supposed to be totally accurate but I think it's a bit misleading for sc2 performance (difference in 4850, which is low, to 460, which is maxed, is a bit lost on that with just one tier difference). I prefer Passmark for a shitty quick reference: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

like 460 is like 50% better than the 4870.




sweatynerd build:

+ Show Spoiler +

graphics is graphics, cpu is cpu. So a weak CPU, might struggle to stream 480, but it will struggle all the same whether it's on low or ultra graphics if it's got a good enough GPU. SC2 is an old game, and not very graphics intensive, but your budget is so low that even spending just $60 for a gtx460 on ebay to max out sc2, would take a significant bite on everything else. You can always upgrade your card later, but you need to tell me, do you prefer playing on low or would you rather play on medium, high, etc? Maybe we can find you a cheaper, but acceptable PSU and case.

I mean this is still a very decent computer w can make here, it's just we got to cut a few corners on value or ease, like buying a 6 year old mid-range graphics card that will still play medium just, or an old 4 year old SSD that's still much faster faster than a HDD, that isn't the fastest SSD around, but at least you can incorporate an SSD into your build whereas you wouldn't otherwise.

okay, so with no mc, and your budget now (so much for possibly getting an i7!)
  • i5-3570k $219 Newegg
  • Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Motherboard $124 AR Newegg
  • Crucial Ballistix Sport 1333mhz CL9 single 4GB stick $26 Newegg
  • Zalman CNPS14X $29AR Newegg
  • NZXT Source 210 $34 Newegg
  • PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK3 $49AR Newegg
  • Intel X25-M or 320 80GB on Ebay $50-60 Ebay

$531 without a graphics card.

That's $536 for a very high quality CPU, motherboard, and heatsink, so you will be able to actually overclock very far, to the limits. It's possible you'll get a badly binned chip that won't overclock as far as others, but you will still be able to push an extra 100-200mhz. That motherboard, and CPU, are so good, that you can push a ton of power in the chip and be safe and cool.

The shortcomings - you are buying an SSD off ebay (whereas you couldn't afford an SSD otherwise, you'd have to buy a $20 piece of crap HDD that'd really suck), the corsair 200R is a better value case at the moment for a slightly higher price, the rosewill capstone is a better value psu for a slightly higher price (silencer mk3 is still a very good psu though), only 4gb of low quality ram (which won't make an impact on day to day performance anyways and you can add more ram easily if you need to, which you likely wont). And your graphics card, it won't be much.

Now. It's up to you how much more you want to put into a graphics card. You could get a $20-30 4850 on ebay, play on medium, maybe with a few settings reduced on higher resolution (will definitely do low lol), and either save money, or get a rosewill capstone 450w, corsair 200R, maybe a better heatsink for even further overclock if you think overclocking sounds like fun, and 8GB of decent quality RAM so you can run a million tabs on the 2nd monitor when you get it while streaming. There's also the 4870 for $50 or less for medium/high.

Or, you can easily get a 7770 1GB on Newegg that will max SC2 with no sweat, for $99 AR and then sell the bundled games it comes with for $35 (wow it commonly sells for $40-45, the bioshock/crysis/farcy package sells for only $30, probably because market is flooded with them) and ultimately have paid $65, which would put your total price tag at $596. The 7770 will also be strong enough to play modern games like Crysis 3 and Farcry on decent settings.

That is after rebates and selling that game code, so bear in mind you will need to have like... I dont know, $630-650 on your actual card and it'll be a month before all that money comes back. But there's a reason why the 7770 comes highly recommended on this forum.

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StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 19:05 GMT
#29575
I do want to be able to play on medium pretty easily, and be able to stream 720p at 30 fps. That is what I want to do. Just play StarCraft, and that's it. If you feel that that PC can do the above, that is what I will go with.
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StraTkSloth
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States181 Posts
May 03 2013 19:46 GMT
#29576
Would this build be good enough to stream medium settings? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/UMXb
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 20:02:54
May 03 2013 19:53 GMT
#29577
If you want AMD, you'd go for Phenom for SC2, not FX. I'm not sure if it can ever beat Intel regarding SC2 fps even with overclocking AMD and not overclocking Intel. If you don't overclock Intel, you save money on motherboard and cooler and CPU, so overclocked AMD won't turn out to be better in any case.

You might want to skip the optical drive if you have another PC or notebook in your household to access discs should you ever need to do that. You can install Windows by copying the setup onto a USB stick.

CPUs come with a cooler if you buy it in the box for consumers, so you don't ever need to buy a cheap cooler. You only need to pay for a cooler if you overclock.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 03 2013 20:06 GMT
#29578
Without overclocking, Piledriver is similar to Phenom II. Or at least, it's closer and depends on which models you're looking at. Bulldozer is worse though, and FX-4100 is a Bulldozer part. Really really really really really not what you want.

btw the Logisys power supply really shouldn't be used unless you want your computer to die.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 20:35:10
May 03 2013 20:33 GMT
#29579
On May 04 2013 04:46 ThatSweatyNerd wrote:
Would this build be good enough to stream medium settings? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/UMXb


I've been building for a few years now, I have a job doing so, and everyone else here is quite knowledgeable too. We all would pretty much recommend the same stuff, although most would say I recommend a lot more corner cutting, ebay, used, etc, but if you are on a tight budget like yourself, you are kinda forced to do so

All the parts you picked, I know what they all are, everyone here does, and they are all really, really terrible. As in no one even talks about most of those components, they are so bad.

If you want to save money, like I said, we can make you a $200-300 computer that will stream 720p just fine, even 60fps (and that would definitely give you more budget for a better GPU and less corners need to be cut), but it'd literally be less than half as strong as the build I pointed out. There's a reason everyone here recommends the intel i5 and a cheap GPU.

For what is specifically wrong with the stuff you listed:
+ Show Spoiler +

  • The FX-4100 is a dual module CPU, it's not a true quadcore. Basically, it's more like a dualcore CPU with 4 fake cores, and unfortunately SC2 does not care about 'fake cores' (or to be technical, sc2 only cares about physical cores and floating point units, not logical cores or integer points). For the right price, any component can be great, but the FX series is overpriced for the performance in single threaded applications like SC2. There are applications where FX is great, even better than Intel, but SC2 is not that application. Furthermore, the older gen Phenom II performs better than the 4100, while costing significantly less. And for every reason other than performance, FX is terrible. And the FX-4100 has no redeeming qualities at all, in particular.
  • The choice in heatsink is terrible, it's the same as a stock cooler basically. It's that cheap because it doesn't work for overclocking, it's for people in businesses who break their stock cooler and need a replacement. You can't overclock on 'radial' coolers like those, you want a tower cooler.
  • MSI makes horrible motherboards, avoid them at all costs for motherboards. Am3+ socket sucks, they are just low quality boards.
  • You can't afford 8GB of RAM, and you stated you specifically dont do a ton of things at once. Even if you do do a ton of things at once, 4GB of RAM is plenty. If you do decide to go for a cheapo build, even if you were still way under budget, being that cheap dictates you should really go for 4gb instead of 8gb, and spend the extra money elsewhere.
  • 64GB ssd is very tight in storage. If you are okay with that, like you said you only have sc2, I haven't used more than 50GB in 3 years on my streaming rig and I download movies and do other stuff too, than 64GB is fine, but the particular model you picked out is slightly overpriced. Go with a Samsung 830 64gb instead. On ebay, unfortunately.
  • 6670 is not a good card, it's old and lacks the performance or price to make up for it. Why are you spending more money on a graphics card when you said you didn't need high graphics and want a better stream?
  • Junk case
  • The power supply will blow out, it's terrible. It's about quality, not quantity, wattage means nothing. That PSU is for an office computer, it will literally blow out on an overclock, there's no question. Overclock will bring a higher amount of pressure on the PSU, even if you just use ~250w.
  • You dont need a CD drive, nor can you afford one.

    The computer you picked out will do high graphics, you won't be able to overclock it, your gaming performance will be about 20fps minimum and you'll struggle to do a 720@30fps stream. You can make a similarly priced computer that can do 720@60fps with better graphics for a lower cost, if you want, but you had assured me you'd rather have a much higher quality stream and gameplay for a little more money.


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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 23:06:53
May 03 2013 23:05 GMT
#29580
I know what they all are, everyone here does, and they are all really, really terrible. As in no one even talks about most of those components, they are so bad.


Specifically (to add to what belial said in spoiler too) if you want benchmarks

i5 @ 4.7ghz will beat that CPU in singlethreaded performance by something in the realm of 1.8-2x

i5-3570k $219 Newegg
Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Motherboard $124 AR Newegg
Crucial Ballistix Sport 1333mhz CL9 single 4GB stick $26 Newegg
Zalman CNPS14X $29AR Newegg
NZXT Source 210 $34 Newegg
PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK3 $49AR Newegg
Intel X25-M or 320 80GB on Ebay $50-60 Ebay


$531 without a graphics card.


This build is really good.
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