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On May 05 2013 23:08 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 21:55 Gumbi wrote:And why would you get a 670 when you can get a 7970 for the same or less?? *Bit of an exaggeration. There are 7970s available for €360 euro here, I would have expected dollar equivalents in the States. Still, about 400 dollars for a much better card, plus a lot of free, premium games. Wow, you can get 7970s for €330 here these days  Yeah, I know the 7970 is a little cheaper and comes with cool games, but I've always been an NVIDIA fanboy. Plus, simple benchmarks like this one: Video Card Benchmark have the GTX 670 edging out the 7970 by about 5.5% in performance. I realize that test is just a compilation average but still. The game package is tempting though.
The 7970 (ghz ed maybe? doesn't matter both are the same) is well on par with, if not better than the 680 with recent drivers. SLI is way better than CFX currently of course, but the 670 is nowhere near the 7970 today.
If a 7970 and 680 were the same price I'd be getting the 7970, if the 680 was a bit cheaper I'd get that. 670 vs 7970 for the same price is a complete no-brainer.
Also passmark is the absolute stupidest thing you should be using as a benchmark, unless you're aiming for a high passmark score. It does not directly correlate to game performance, which itself varies between cards depending on the implementation of graphical effects.
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At ~$150 it's not so much a decent price, but nobody's going to argue that it's not great. The Seasonic Platinum, that is. KM3/Platinum series is the bomb.
It's all good, but just be aware that there are massive price inefficiencies, and if you were to say trim some things, you could instead get say a larger SSD easily, maybe GTX 660 but a new video card in 2 years rather than 4 years (GTX 660 for 2 years -> new card in 2 years would do better than a GTX 670 over a 4-year span), etc. Or just save money.
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On May 05 2013 23:32 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:08 bode927 wrote:On May 05 2013 21:55 Gumbi wrote:And why would you get a 670 when you can get a 7970 for the same or less?? *Bit of an exaggeration. There are 7970s available for €360 euro here, I would have expected dollar equivalents in the States. Still, about 400 dollars for a much better card, plus a lot of free, premium games. Wow, you can get 7970s for €330 here these days Yeah, I know the 7970 is a little cheaper and comes with cool games, but I've always been an NVIDIA fanboy. Plus, simple benchmarks like this one: Video Card Benchmark have the GTX 670 edging out the 7970 by about 5.5% in performance. I realize that test is just a compilation average but still. The game package is tempting though. The 7970 (ghz ed maybe? doesn't matter both are the same) is well on par with, if not better than the 680 with recent drivers. SLI is way better than CFX currently of course, but the 670 is nowhere near the 7970 today. If a 7970 and 680 were the same price I'd be getting the 7970, if the 680 was a bit cheaper I'd get that. 670 vs 7970 for the same price is a complete no-brainer. Also passmark is the absolute stupidest thing you should be using as a benchmark, unless you're aiming for a high passmark score. It does not directly correlate to game performance, which itself varies between cards depending on the implementation of graphical effects.
Do you have a recent benchmark or review that will back up what you're saying, because most of the stuff I can find indicates that the NVIDIA card is just slightly better performance wise.
On May 05 2013 23:34 Myrmidon wrote:
At ~$150 it's not so much a decent price, but nobody's going to argue that it's not great. The Seasonic Platinum, that is. KM3/Platinum series is the bomb.
It's all good, but just be aware that there are massive price inefficiencies, and if you were to say trim some things, you could instead get say a larger SSD easily, maybe GTX 660 but a new video card in 2 years rather than 4 years (GTX 660 for 2 years -> new card in 2 years would do better than a GTX 670 over a 4-year span), etc. Or just save money.
Good point on the video card. That's worth consideration for sure.
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On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price.
Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread.
Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right.
Edit:
Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'
Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum?
Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost.
Takes off glasses
Damn, wasn't essay enough.
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On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right.
I'm glad that you explained that to me. Thanks. I can probably see switching now.
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On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right. Edit: Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum? Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost. Takes off glassesDamn, wasn't essay enough.
Hm, even going half Belial mode exposes yourself to attack. It's not more efficient.
Seasonic Platinum goes down to 400W models. The 660W model has relatively high efficiency at low loads (check out the actual DC output values when comparing, not the percentages like 20% of max):
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=326
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=334
Cross comparison with lower-wattage Golden Green:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1313-page3.html
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1307-page3.html
Golden Green is not that amazing at low-load efficiency, so you wouldn't be winning big points in idle. Under gaming load of say 150W+, the Seasonic Platinum is definitely more efficient.
Anyway, the efficiency difference is really really small, so honestly nobody should really care there.
The Seasonic Platinum is built a little better, is more modular if that's your thing, is quieter, nails those voltages a bit better (from definitely good enough to even more definitely good enough), and has a longer warranty. I don't think it's worth almost double the price, but it is better.
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On May 05 2013 23:37 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:32 Rollin wrote:On May 05 2013 23:08 bode927 wrote:On May 05 2013 21:55 Gumbi wrote:And why would you get a 670 when you can get a 7970 for the same or less?? *Bit of an exaggeration. There are 7970s available for €360 euro here, I would have expected dollar equivalents in the States. Still, about 400 dollars for a much better card, plus a lot of free, premium games. Wow, you can get 7970s for €330 here these days Yeah, I know the 7970 is a little cheaper and comes with cool games, but I've always been an NVIDIA fanboy. Plus, simple benchmarks like this one: Video Card Benchmark have the GTX 670 edging out the 7970 by about 5.5% in performance. I realize that test is just a compilation average but still. The game package is tempting though. The 7970 (ghz ed maybe? doesn't matter both are the same) is well on par with, if not better than the 680 with recent drivers. SLI is way better than CFX currently of course, but the 670 is nowhere near the 7970 today. If a 7970 and 680 were the same price I'd be getting the 7970, if the 680 was a bit cheaper I'd get that. 670 vs 7970 for the same price is a complete no-brainer. Also passmark is the absolute stupidest thing you should be using as a benchmark, unless you're aiming for a high passmark score. It does not directly correlate to game performance, which itself varies between cards depending on the implementation of graphical effects. Do you have a recent benchmark or review that will back up what you're saying, because most of the stuff I can find indicates that the NVIDIA card is just slightly better performance wise. Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:34 Myrmidon wrote:
At ~$150 it's not so much a decent price, but nobody's going to argue that it's not great. The Seasonic Platinum, that is. KM3/Platinum series is the bomb.
It's all good, but just be aware that there are massive price inefficiencies, and if you were to say trim some things, you could instead get say a larger SSD easily, maybe GTX 660 but a new video card in 2 years rather than 4 years (GTX 660 for 2 years -> new card in 2 years would do better than a GTX 670 over a 4-year span), etc. Or just save money.
Good point on the video card. That's worth consideration for sure.
You need to look at the ghz edition of the card. Not only that, but overclocked, the 7970, the 7970 CRUSHES the 670.
Heck, my 7950 beats a 670 (mine is coverclocked to 1200mhz).
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On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right. Edit: Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum? Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost. Takes off glassesDamn, wasn't essay enough.
You've convinced me sir. Is the rosewill capstone 550 just as good as the 450? I understand that the 450 is good, but are we certain that is enough power for my system? I''d rather spend $15 more and be more safe than sorry
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On May 06 2013 00:42 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right. Edit: Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum? Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost. Takes off glassesDamn, wasn't essay enough. Hm, even going half Belial mode exposes yourself to attack. It's not more efficient. Seasonic Platinum goes down to 400W models. The 660W model has relatively high efficiency at low loads (check out the actual DC output values when comparing, not the percentages like 20% of max): http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=326http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=334Cross comparison with lower-wattage Golden Green: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1313-page3.htmlhttp://www.silentpcreview.com/article1307-page3.htmlGolden Green is not that amazing at low-load efficiency, so you wouldn't be winning big points in idle. Under gaming load of say 150W+, the Seasonic Platinum is definitely more efficient. Anyway, the efficiency difference is really really small, so honestly nobody should really care there. The Seasonic Platinum is built a little better, is more modular if that's your thing, is quieter, nails those voltages a bit better (from definitely good enough to even more definitely good enough), and has a longer warranty. I don't think it's worth almost double the price, but it is better.
I was going with the minimum requirements to receive an 80 PLUS (insert tier here) certification. 20%,50%,100% are the load points measured.
On May 06 2013 00:53 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right. Edit: Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum? Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost. Takes off glassesDamn, wasn't essay enough. You've convinced me sir. Is the rosewill capstone 550 just as good as the 450? I understand that the 450 is good, but are we certain that is enough power for my system? I''d rather spend $15 more and be more safe than sorry
Just get the 450. In Europe (under the Super Flower brand) it's rated as a 550w 80+ Silver. It's just rated lower so it can obtain 80+ Gold.
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On May 05 2013 23:37 bode927 wrote:
Do you have a recent benchmark or review that will back up what you're saying, because most of the stuff I can find indicates that the NVIDIA card is just slightly better performance wise.
7970 and 680 are here. The 670 isn't designed to compete with the 7970 which is why it's ommited.
BF3: Slightly in favour of 7970.
BL2: Slightly in favour of 680.
FC3: Slightly in favour of 680.
H:A: Significantly in favour of 7970.
Skyrim: Slightly in favour of 7970.
So if you were going with a 680 or 7970, for the same price I'd say either, other wise whatever. It's important to note the 680 runs into issues with memory bandwidth above 1080p, but I'd say it's still probably a little faster in general at 1080p than the 7970, especially with MSAA. Still I wouldn't pay more for it, but I guess I am extremely price sensitive when I'm buying regardless of budget.
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On May 06 2013 01:15 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:37 bode927 wrote:
Do you have a recent benchmark or review that will back up what you're saying, because most of the stuff I can find indicates that the NVIDIA card is just slightly better performance wise.
7970 and 680 are here. The 670 isn't designed to compete with the 7970 which is why it's ommited. BF3: Slightly in favour of 7970. BL2: Slightly in favour of 680. FC3: Slightly in favour of 680. H:A: Significantly in favour of 7970. Skyrim: Slightly in favour of 7970. So if you were going with a 680 or 7970, for the same price I'd say either, other wise whatever. It's important to note the 680 runs into issues with memory bandwidth above 1080p, but I'd say it's still probably a little faster in general at 1080p than the 7970, especially with MSAA. Still I wouldn't pay more for it, but I guess I am extremely price sensitive when I'm buying regardless of budget.
I think we're talking about different cards.
GTX 670: ~$400
Radeon 7970: ~$400
Radeon 7970 Ghz edition: ~$450
GTX 680: ~$500 or more
Even the $400 is a little high for me on a graphics card. I might even consider the 7950 at ~$325 or so. The Ghz edition at $450 is getting really expensive for me.
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I'd get a 7950 in that case. Get a good one and OC it to 1100mhz +. It'll rival7970/670 then.
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On May 06 2013 01:46 Gumbi wrote:
I'd get a 7950 in that case. Get a good one and OC it to 1100mhz +. It'll rival7970/670 then.
Which ones are good ones? Do you like the gigabyte ones with the 3 fan windforce cooler, or the HIS version with the iceq cooler?
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On May 06 2013 01:48 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 01:46 Gumbi wrote:
I'd get a 7950 in that case. Get a good one and OC it to 1100mhz +. It'll rival7970/670 then. Which ones are good ones? Do you like the gigabyte ones with the 3 fan windforce cooler, or the HIS version with the iceq cooler?
Sapphire Dualx boost is decent and goes for 300ish in US AFAIK. I have a Dualx cooler on my card and it's a good cooler. Don't take my word for it, though. Wait for more knowledgeable posters to confirm. But a 7950 is a fantastic card for it's price point, and can be overclocked A LOT.
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On May 06 2013 01:07 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 00:42 Myrmidon wrote:On May 06 2013 00:06 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2013 23:28 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 23:08 iTzSnypah wrote:
I would say GTX 660(or 7870 / 7870 XT) and 240GB SSD no HDD.
EDIT: I saw your reply. BRANDS MEAN NOTHING, ONLY THE QUALITY OF SPECIFIC ITEMS DESERVE PRAISE. I thought about the 660 TI for a while but decided I wanted a little bit better card for future games, since I'll probably have this system for the next 3-4 years. And as far as no HDD goes, I thought about that too, but I need the storage for large 1080p video files such as blu ray digital downloads and such. I don't want to pay for a TB of SSD space. As far as the brands mean nothing thing, I assume you're referring to my comment about Seasonic. This particular power supply is very good on it's own, even if I don't think about the fact that Seasonic has a good history of strong PSUs. Here are some links Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #1Seasonic 660 PLATINUM review #2I just don't want to skimp on the power supply. I want a good even wattage to all of my components, and this is a quality PSU at a decent price. Thank you for reminding me why I stopped helping people in this thread. Also the Rosewill Capstone 450 is half the price of the Seasonic, is made by Super Flower and is 80+ Gold. So you are saying that 2% efficency is worth 2x the price. Yeah that sounds about right. Edit: Put's on Belial's 'I must write an essay to get my point across glasses'Did you know that the Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold would be More Efficient than the Seasonic 660 80+ Platinum? Well you know that Power Supplies are most efficient at 50% load right? And the efficiency is a bell curve with 20% and 100% load being usually 3-5% less efficient than 50% load. And that Full synthetic load an i5/GTX670 system pulls less that 300w. Gaming loads don't even come close to Synthetic loads. So saying a gaming load uses 200w is very realistic (66% of synthetic load). So during a gaming load the Seasonic is under 30% load, while the Rosewill is just under 50% load. Therefore at a gaming load the Rosewill is as efficient or more efficient as the Seasonic while costing half the cost. Takes off glassesDamn, wasn't essay enough. Hm, even going half Belial mode exposes yourself to attack. It's not more efficient. Seasonic Platinum goes down to 400W models. The 660W model has relatively high efficiency at low loads (check out the actual DC output values when comparing, not the percentages like 20% of max): http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=326http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=334Cross comparison with lower-wattage Golden Green: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1313-page3.htmlhttp://www.silentpcreview.com/article1307-page3.htmlGolden Green is not that amazing at low-load efficiency, so you wouldn't be winning big points in idle. Under gaming load of say 150W+, the Seasonic Platinum is definitely more efficient. Anyway, the efficiency difference is really really small, so honestly nobody should really care there. The Seasonic Platinum is built a little better, is more modular if that's your thing, is quieter, nails those voltages a bit better (from definitely good enough to even more definitely good enough), and has a longer warranty. I don't think it's worth almost double the price, but it is better. I was going with the minimum requirements to receive an 80 PLUS (insert tier here) certification. 20%,50%,100% are the load points measured.
Which is not sufficiently accurate or granular enough when talking about efficiency of two different power supplies. We're in agreement, right? You just didn't check the actual data earlier?
On May 06 2013 01:48 bode927 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 01:46 Gumbi wrote:
I'd get a 7950 in that case. Get a good one and OC it to 1100mhz +. It'll rival7970/670 then. Which ones are good ones? Do you like the gigabyte ones with the 3 fan windforce cooler, or the HIS version with the iceq cooler?
HIS IceQ X^2 version is loud on idle. The blower-style HIS cooler is probably better than the other blowers, but it's not as good as the better more open-air coolers unless you're concerned with raising case temps.
Considering prices, I'd go with Gigabyte Windforce, though blindly as I don't see a good review on that particular model. Windforce is usually good though.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67546&promoid=1397
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I was wondering about a build I consider getting.
The price is in NOK. my budget is 22000,- ( 2 891 Euro) do you have any suggestions? Please pm.
+ Show Spoiler +What is your resolution?
1920x1080@120Hz
What are you using it for?
I am going to do mainly gaming, and some light-medium video editing.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Probably every 3 years
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP :D
Do you plan on overclocking?
Most likely.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No I do not.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in Norway.
This is my current selection of parts:
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I x Intel Core 7-3770k
I X ASUS MAXIMUS V FORMULA Z77
I x Kingston HyperX Predator 16GB 2133MHZ
I x Samsung 840 Basic 250GB
I x CoolerMaster CMstorm Trooper
I x Corsair AX760i 760 W
I x Corsair Hydro H100i
I xBenQXL2420T
I x Gigabyte GeForce GTX670 OC 2GB
I x Dell Ultrasharp U2412M
I x Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Wireless Glasses
I x WD My Passport 3.0 2TB
Sum : 19 882.- (2 613 Euro)
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Got an answer somewhere else, nevermind
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Haha I think I'm the only one in this thread with a SS-660XP. It was $110 before rebate, and that was specifically because of the Shell Shocker deal (so not a normal price, by any means). It's a luxury item, and certainly not a requirement for most builds which only need to feed a 1080P, 60Hz monitor. You figure that most mid-range GPUs in the $200-250 range are rarely going to exceed 175W anyway :p
Courtesy of TechPowerup:
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Looks like Amazon ran a similar promo in March, but for the most part this is a highly priced item:
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Seasonic-ATX12V-EPS12V-Supply-SS-660XP/product/B009VV56U8
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Hello, i'm back and ready to order parts for a new computer, i have a visa card that should have no problems ordering from anywhere that accepts visa and delivers to Canada. I've already given details about what i'm looking for but some things have changed so here is the OP's list of questions
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What is your budget?
I have a visa card with exactly 1000 Canadian dollars... That is my budget...
What is your resolution?
My current resolution is 1280x720. I don.t expect it to go anywhere beyond 1360x768 (my monitors native resolution)
What are you using it for?
My goal is to stream and play games. I prefer to play on mostly low quality settings as i value performance above everything else. I will plan on streaming at around 20 fps at 720p, or whatever my 2mbps upload can handle. I don't know if i should go for an overclock build or not, whatever gets me the most bang for my buck is what I'll go with. Also i should mention i want to only get a 120gb or so SSD to start with, i don't need more than that for now.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'll probably upgrade within a year either by adding more ram or upgrading the GPU.
When do you plan on building it?
Immediately, i can wait up to 20-30 days or so if there is some sort of new release or sale, if it's worth it.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I want to play sc2 and stream, i have 1000$, i need a case and an operating system, you tell me!
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I could theoretically add a second GPU but i would rather sacrifice such a capability for better performance now. I can always just upgrade to a single powerful GPU down the road.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Any website that delivers to Canada or is in the HRM (halifax region) of NS Canada.
Advice and assistance in creating the ideal build for me would be much appreciated.
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