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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#32501
Yeah bf4blog still shows GameGPU's older BF4 alpha numbers. But if you go directly to GameGPU, it seems like they pulled the images, so I dunno if they plan on updating those numbers with benchmarks from a later build. If there's already some quick takes though, BF4 has no problem using >2GB of VRAM. And at 1440P, it will be hitting nearly 3GB. (nVidia shoulda released a 5GB 780 as per the rumors lmao)

All of those results are with 4x MSAA, so it would be better to see some non-AA or FXAA results. It is pretty ridiculous seeing only 780 SLI managed an average of 60 FPS at 1600P, 4x MSAA or not.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 23:41:38
August 22 2013 23:41 GMT
#32502
That happened with bf3 when it was alpha too remember . Yet my overclocked 560ti ran (past tense intentional rofl) on high/ultra with no AA/AO at 65-75fps ish (even on bigger maps surprisingly).
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 23 2013 05:16 GMT
#32503
I'm ok with shelling out more for a better GPU, the CPU is what worries me (i5 or i7, I intend to stream in the future) as well as the monitors now.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 06:58:55
August 23 2013 06:53 GMT
#32504
Battlefield 3 was really CPU demanding so yes you should probably consider an i7 and overclocking as well if it's going to be your primary game that you stream.

And Battlefield 4 is being optimized for AMD so one would assume it's going to be very well threaded or at the very least use four cores.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 23 2013 07:24 GMT
#32505
What I intend to do is write out what I want, check the prices, then dial back specific areas until I reach my budget.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 23 2013 07:43 GMT
#32506
If you plan on ordering from German sites www.geizhals.de is your friend, more specifically the wishlists.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 08:13:23
August 23 2013 08:12 GMT
#32507
CPU Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $159.99 @ Microcenter

Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $134.98 @ Outlet PC

Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $60.99 @ Newegg

Storage Crucial V4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $61.68 @ SuperBiiz

Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.98 @ Outlet PC

Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card $448.99 @ SuperBiiz

Case Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Microcenter

Power Supply Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply $49.99 @ NCIX US

Monitor BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor $269.99 @ Amazon

Monitor BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor $269.99 @ Amazon


http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1kxds0/build_help1200_euros_1600_looking_to_buy_before/

This is what was suggested to me, is BenQ good now? I always thought they were sloppy as I've really grown accustom to BenQ

Also, is this video card good enough?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 23 2013 08:24 GMT
#32508
That build is really terrible.

Microcenter isn't available in Europe.

4570 cannot be overclocked so pairing it with a relatively high-end board that is designed for overclocking is a waste of money.

There are much better memory kits on Newegg for less.

64gb SSD, seriously??????????

CX600... seriously??????

As for BenQ, yes their XL2420T is good.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 08:37:19
August 23 2013 08:31 GMT
#32509
Yeah, we're just picking parts and averaging prices. I have my friends here who are helping me find places with good prices, so we're not toooo worried about that.

Overall, we think his suggestions of these are valid:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor

Gigabyte: GA-H87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (changeable for cheaper)

GFX: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case

PSU: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (changeable for cheaper)

Montior: BenQ XL2420T 120Hz 24.0" Monitor


So the memory and the PSU, I'm willing to change for cheaper and I think the GFX looks ok, do I really need 4 gigs of VRAM?

I changed MoBo to H87

So with that, I need to figure out Harddrive(s)/SSD, a second monitor of 24-inches that looks very similar to the BENQ, it will be for browsing, so it doesnt have to be top of the line It just has to aesthetically look similar otherwise my head explodes.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 08:56:45
August 23 2013 08:50 GMT
#32510
It baffles me how you can get such a terrible build with that much budget. Why $540 monitor budget?

The v4 is a terrible SSD (it's not the same model as m4, i've seen people confuse it) and 770 for $450 just isn't a great price, the 2gb version already has difficulties keeping pace with price:performance of the etc 7950, and 4gb is a ton more expensive. Not sure off the top of my head how much in the US, but when i bought my card, it was £329 for 2gb version, ~£410 for 4gb. If you're maxing new games you need the VRAM but not the 120hz - if you're not, you don't need the VRAM. Pick one, and i would consider it incredibly wasteful to miss out on important upgrades (such as cpu oc) to upgrade the quality of your secondary monitor, and especially get 120hz, that's kinda crazy.

You marked "changeable for cheaper" on the RAM and PSU, it's not really even that. You can often get much better RAM for the same price, and you have listed a not-great-quality 600w PSU with a system that consumes like 250w

With a $1.5k build and microcenter prices, i'd expect two highish end GPU's and/or cpu overclock, you don't have either. There are monitors to take into account, but no need to spend $540 on them. I threw up build list for unlocked i5 + h100 + two 680's (same gpu as 770) + good case (spending extra), 120gb samsung 840 ssd, 500gb HDD, 8gb 2400 RAM for literally 1300 euro, and i'd expect anybody in the US and near a microcenter to destroy standard UK pricing or at least match deals, it's insane the kind of deals you guys have over there. Where are the z87x-ud4h+4770k's for $274 usd total etc? You should be able to get insane pricing from microcenter.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 08:56:40
August 23 2013 08:54 GMT
#32511
Sorry, I don't know much about PCs, I haven't bought one in 3-4 years and even then; I didn't know much and it came out ok.
So what I do is consult 4 different places, cross-reference, check reviews of parts all at the same time until I get a consensus that seems to make sense.

I'm having huge trouble knowing who knows what and how much without burdening every community with constant questions and to hold my hand.

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
August 23 2013 08:59 GMT
#32512
Sorry, that sounds a lot more offensive than i intended, re-reading
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 23 2013 09:03 GMT
#32513
Haha, I get the frustration. Essentially I posted what I thought I would be keeping as a starting point and then build from there with criticisms and feedback
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 23 2013 09:13 GMT
#32514
If you look at reviews, the 7970 and GTX 770 trades blows. If you look at Newegg and look at the prices, a 7970 is $300-$400 while a GTX 770 is $400-$500. Then when you factor in the games in which AMD provides three games. AMD provides even greater value.

Battlefield 4 will be AMD optimized so yes it's probably a good idea to get a 7970.

Microcenter is also not available anywhere but the US so when someone suggests you Microcenter pricing which is roughly $50 less than other retailers than ya :|

If you also look at reviews, a single GTX 770 uses nowhere near 500w so suggesting 650-750w is rather wasteful. 650w-750w is okay if you intend on doing SLI but I think all H87 boards do not support SLI. And a CX600 does not belong in a high-end build.

It's okay to ask a bunch of questions because we were all once newbies as well. New thread btw that might help in your decisions: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426532
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 23 2013 09:34 GMT
#32515
So what are we scrapping and what are we keeping? I feel I'm back to zero now lol
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 23 2013 09:41 GMT
#32516
The only thing I would keep from that list is the Fractal Design Define R4 and BenQ Xl2420T
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 09:47:48
August 23 2013 09:47 GMT
#32517
Not the MoBo, I thought we said the H87 was good
this is brutal
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 09:56:24
August 23 2013 09:53 GMT
#32518
New Thread, if you have existing posts that need to be answered, feel freed to quote your own posts.

New thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426532
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