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On August 23 2013 01:59 Faggatron wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Planning to build a new computer. I've built a couple in the past, but this was 6 and 12 years ago respectively! I want it quiet because my old one is really loud and it's annoying. Questions + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
£950 (about $1500) absolute maximum.
If there is needless expenditure I'd happily pay less though!
What is your resolution?
Dual monitors, 3360x1050 (1680x1050 each).
What are you using it for?
Gaming (mostly SC2 mind you), programming, photoshop and some occasional video editing.
What is your upgrade cycle?
6 years.
When do you plan on building it?
Within a month.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Probably. As long as its safe and worth doing. I've not done it before, but that's really because in the past I've not had enough money to afford good enough parts. I'll probably only go up a few hundred mhz on the cpu clock (maybe I'm a pussy).
Do you need an Operating System?
No. Will run win7/linux.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, but I'm open to it if it's recommended.
Where are you buying your parts from?
ebuyer.co.uk
Build so far + Show Spoiler +Any help appreciated. I wouldn't mind going a bit more under budget as I'd like a new monitor soon as well. If there's anything I can downgrade for the least detriment in performance and most money return that'd be great. (Maybe RAM? In the past I've just bought cheapo RAM and it's worked just fine... damn EG advertisement getting to me.) Also, most of the motherboards I was looking at had onboard graphics, should I avoid this since I will not be using it? (Does it add much cost?) Thanks in advance.
The gigabyte z87 ud3h is the standard oc motherboard, probably better than Asus but Ive never looked at the Asus.
The new samsung 840 (evo) is out/coming out and it is worth waiting for.
212 evo isnt enough for haswell, get the noctua or another i cant remember.
Quietness is mostly about the case, get one with good sound muffling.
Edit: just noticed your budget, I guess if 950 is a hard limit then its a pretty good build. Maybe cut the ram down a little and get a more soundproofed case if thats important?
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On August 23 2013 00:48 Ropid wrote:@Metak: For Hackintosh, I think you have to research carefully about what parts to buy. You have to check what chips the motherboard uses for networking and audio and see what MacOS X can run, same with the graphics card. This site and forum is where you should look: http://www.tonymacx86.com
Crap, yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Now that you noticed it I realised I knew this, but somehow I wasn't thinking about it when writing my request.
Alright then, I've put together this:
+ Show Spoiler [Parts] +Intel Core i5 3570K Boxed €194,89 Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H (rev. 1.0) €201,10 EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW €309,76 Corsair Carbide 500R Black €92,50 TP-Link TL-WDN4800 €33,26 Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB 1600MHz CL10 €60,74 Corsair Enthusiast TX650M €89,90 Sandisk Extreme 120GB €97,36 Seagate Barracuda 720, 1TB €57 €1.136,51
and to rephrase my wishlist (yes, the price has gone up, which means I probably will have to save for a couple of months but that's ok as long as I can dual boot and can use the PC for what I want)
+ Show Spoiler [Wishlist] +What is your budget? I would like to spend between €500 and €700. Lower is better, but I'd rather go for quality/durability over price. If I would be better off spending more (regarding usage), I will be saving up for an additional couple of months. What is your resolution? 1920×1080 (HDMI and VGA available, would like to be able to use HDMI if possible, but not a make or break kind of thing). What are you using it for? Gaming, (occasional heavy) image and some video editing (Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere), print/logo production (InDesign, Illustrator). What is your upgrade cycle? 2+ years When do you plan on building it? Within a month or two Do you plan on overclocking? Completely unexperienced so unsure whether to go for it. I would do it if super beneficial and there was a somewhat decent manual. Do you need an Operating System? No, but I am planning on partitioning for a dualboot Windows/Hackintosh. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No plans, but if recommended I'm up for it. Where are you buying your parts from? I'm in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. http://pricewatch.tweakers.net provides a very decent overview for online Dutch retailers – I can put a list of components together online and then the system tells me where to get what and at what price. If possible within the pricerange I'm considering to get a small SSD next to a conventional HDD to run my OS' and primary applications on. I don't have any preferences regarding brands. As stated in the upgrade cycle, I'd like my build to last a while. I'm quite a heavy user, often have several applications (mostly InDesign/PhotoShop/Illustrator) open at the same time for a better workflow.
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On August 23 2013 03:48 Metak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:48 Ropid wrote:@Metak: For Hackintosh, I think you have to research carefully about what parts to buy. You have to check what chips the motherboard uses for networking and audio and see what MacOS X can run, same with the graphics card. This site and forum is where you should look: http://www.tonymacx86.com Crap, yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Now that you noticed it I realised I knew this, but somehow I wasn't thinking about it when writing my request. Alright then, I've put together this: + Show Spoiler [Parts] +Intel Core i5 3570K Boxed €194,89 Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H (rev. 1.0) €201,10 EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW €309,76 Corsair Carbide 500R Black €92,50 TP-Link TL-WDN4800 €33,26 Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB 1600MHz CL10 €60,74 Corsair Enthusiast TX650M €89,90 Sandisk Extreme 120GB €97,36 Seagate Barracuda 720, 1TB €57 €1.136,51 and to rephrase my wishlist (yes, the price has gone up, which means I probably will have to save for a couple of months but that's ok as long as I can dual boot and can use the PC for what I want) + Show Spoiler [Wishlist] +What is your budget? I would like to spend between €500 and €700. Lower is better, but I'd rather go for quality/durability over price. If I would be better off spending more (regarding usage), I will be saving up for an additional couple of months. What is your resolution? 1920×1080 (HDMI and VGA available, would like to be able to use HDMI if possible, but not a make or break kind of thing). What are you using it for? Gaming, (occasional heavy) image and some video editing (Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere), print/logo production (InDesign, Illustrator). What is your upgrade cycle? 2+ years When do you plan on building it? Within a month or two Do you plan on overclocking? Completely unexperienced so unsure whether to go for it. I would do it if super beneficial and there was a somewhat decent manual. Do you need an Operating System? No, but I am planning on partitioning for a dualboot Windows/Hackintosh. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No plans, but if recommended I'm up for it. Where are you buying your parts from? I'm in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. http://pricewatch.tweakers.net provides a very decent overview for online Dutch retailers – I can put a list of components together online and then the system tells me where to get what and at what price. If possible within the pricerange I'm considering to get a small SSD next to a conventional HDD to run my OS' and primary applications on. I don't have any preferences regarding brands. As stated in the upgrade cycle, I'd like my build to last a while. I'm quite a heavy user, often have several applications (mostly InDesign/PhotoShop/Illustrator) open at the same time for a better workflow.
That mobo is horribly expensive, but I dunno what can be dual booted. I think photoshop likes more ram, perhaps look into that.
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On August 23 2013 01:59 Faggatron wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Planning to build a new computer. I've built a couple in the past, but this was 6 and 12 years ago respectively! I want it quiet because my old one is really loud and it's annoying. Questions + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
£950 (about $1500) absolute maximum.
If there is needless expenditure I'd happily pay less though!
What is your resolution?
Dual monitors, 3360x1050 (1680x1050 each).
What are you using it for?
Gaming (mostly SC2 mind you), programming, photoshop and some occasional video editing.
What is your upgrade cycle?
6 years.
When do you plan on building it?
Within a month.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Probably. As long as its safe and worth doing. I've not done it before, but that's really because in the past I've not had enough money to afford good enough parts. I'll probably only go up a few hundred mhz on the cpu clock (maybe I'm a pussy).
Do you need an Operating System?
No. Will run win7/linux.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, but I'm open to it if it's recommended.
Where are you buying your parts from?
ebuyer.co.uk
Build so far + Show Spoiler +Any help appreciated. I wouldn't mind going a bit more under budget as I'd like a new monitor soon as well. If there's anything I can downgrade for the least detriment in performance and most money return that'd be great. (Maybe RAM? In the past I've just bought cheapo RAM and it's worked just fine... damn EG advertisement getting to me.) Also, most of the motherboards I was looking at had onboard graphics, should I avoid this since I will not be using it? (Does it add much cost?) Thanks in advance.
Looks pretty good to me.
Noise is my favorite topic, and this is what I found out over the last few months:
The Hyper 212 you chose uses a 120mm fan and will be noisy when it struggles with the temperatures and starts to ramp up its speed. In the UK, check the prices for the Thermalright True Spirit 140, HR-02 Macho, Silver Arrow SB-E, Archon SB-E X2, and also look at the price of the Noctua NH-U14S.
The NH-U14S is pretty much the best possible quiet cooling you can get. It comes with a very good single fan. While it's quiet, its performance is still amongst the very top air coolers. Its mounting method is easy to use.
All the Thermalright coolers are also very good performance even if you force their fans to run slow.
The Thermalright HR-02 Macho is probably what you should buy if you don't want to spend much on the cooler. Your case can fit the very high True Spirit 140, which might be interesting as it's easier to handle.
The case you chose will fit the Thermalright Archon SB-E X2 which has monstrous height. That particular cooler is single tower but is shipped with two good 140mm fans. You could run that cooler with a single fan and install the second fan on the Fractal Design Define R4's rear exhaust position, move the two fans that came with the case both to the front (the Thermalright fan can't fit in the front as it's not square and too wide).
A third 140mm case fan might be a good choice. It's probably not really needed, but you would ensure good temperatures at all times and could always keep the case's fan control on the 7v setting instead of 12v full speed in the summer while gaming.
If you didn't intentionally choose the Define R4 with window in the side panel, there's the same case without window which will mean there will be dampening material on that side panel.
The onboard graphics is actually done inside the CPU and the board only connects it to a connector on its back panel. It does not add much cost and there's a good chance it will come in handy at some point in future for troubleshooting.
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Can I get any feedback on my stuff?
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On August 23 2013 00:47 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?1,200 euros (1,600 American), this is the maximum that I am comfortable spending, nothing beyond whatsoever. Honestly. What is your resolution?1920 x 1080, 24 inches, but I'm looking for two monitors (they must be two of the same, I can't stand two dissimilar ones standing next to each other). I'll be gaming with one and browsing with the other. What are you using it for?Gaming and potentially streaming in the future. I'm looking to really make Battlefield 4 look good and any other future major titles. I'm a real graphics whore and love visuals. What is your upgrade cycle?3-4 years at least. I am upgrading from my previous PC which I had for 3-4 years. When do you plan on building it?Next month, the 20th of September until the release of Battlefield 4 (October/November). No later whatsoever. I want the PC ready before BF4 comes out. Do you plan on overclocking?Probably not, no. Do you need an Operating System?yes, win8 64-bit. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Preferably not to be honest, I don't think it's necessary right? Where are you buying your parts from?http://www.alternate.dehttp://mindfactory.deIt's fine if you use newegg or something, I'll just ask my German friends to help me out.
Here is what I found, but to be honest; I really don't have quite a clue what I am doing: Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 (90-MXGP90-A0UAYZ) [91 euro] CPU: Intel Core i5-4570, 4x 3.20GHz (BX80646I54570) [165,95 euro] Power Supply Unit: (Antec preferably?)Graphics Card: MSI N760-2GD5/OC, GeForce GTX 760, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort (V284-087R) [213,09 euros] -- Is this a very powerful one?Operating System: Win8 (74.20 euros) Case: Antec Eleven Hundred [76,90 euros] ORAntec Nine Hundred (84.90 euros) RAM: 2x 4 gigs Kingston HyperX DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600 (KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX, XMP) [49,90 euros] HDD/SSD: 240 gigs SSD 500 gigabyte HDD Cooling: CPU Cooler [Do I need additional fans?] Optical Drive: 20 euros Wireless Internet: 20 euros I need help with monitors too, I like ASUS, but its hard to figure the quality of them via a picture :x
Typically H87 and B85 boards are less expensive than Z87's but I don't know pricing in Europe. So if that Z87 Pro3 board is less expensive than the H87 and B85 boards than okay but otherwise you want a H87 and B85 board since you won't be overclocking.
Only reason why you would get the Antec 900 or 1100 is for aesthetics. A Fractal Design Define R4 is around the same price and is a way better case.
GTX 760 can run most games comfortably on reasonably high settings.
Antec has sort of fallen off the radar for everything. Some good units are Superflower Golden Green 450, Seasonic G 450, XFX Core Edition 550, and Antec High Current Gamer 520.
No you do not need additional cooling.
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I think it'd still be good idea to add a bottom intake in the R4, just to aid getting fresh air to the GPU. Just 7v a 120mm that he has lying around haha.
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On August 23 2013 04:49 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:47 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?1,200 euros (1,600 American), this is the maximum that I am comfortable spending, nothing beyond whatsoever. Honestly. What is your resolution?1920 x 1080, 24 inches, but I'm looking for two monitors (they must be two of the same, I can't stand two dissimilar ones standing next to each other). I'll be gaming with one and browsing with the other. What are you using it for?Gaming and potentially streaming in the future. I'm looking to really make Battlefield 4 look good and any other future major titles. I'm a real graphics whore and love visuals. What is your upgrade cycle?3-4 years at least. I am upgrading from my previous PC which I had for 3-4 years. When do you plan on building it?Next month, the 20th of September until the release of Battlefield 4 (October/November). No later whatsoever. I want the PC ready before BF4 comes out. Do you plan on overclocking?Probably not, no. Do you need an Operating System?yes, win8 64-bit. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Preferably not to be honest, I don't think it's necessary right? Where are you buying your parts from?http://www.alternate.dehttp://mindfactory.deIt's fine if you use newegg or something, I'll just ask my German friends to help me out.
Here is what I found, but to be honest; I really don't have quite a clue what I am doing: Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 (90-MXGP90-A0UAYZ) [91 euro] CPU: Intel Core i5-4570, 4x 3.20GHz (BX80646I54570) [165,95 euro] Power Supply Unit: (Antec preferably?)Graphics Card: MSI N760-2GD5/OC, GeForce GTX 760, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort (V284-087R) [213,09 euros] -- Is this a very powerful one?Operating System: Win8 (74.20 euros) Case: Antec Eleven Hundred [76,90 euros] ORAntec Nine Hundred (84.90 euros) RAM: 2x 4 gigs Kingston HyperX DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600 (KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX, XMP) [49,90 euros] HDD/SSD: 240 gigs SSD 500 gigabyte HDD Cooling: CPU Cooler [Do I need additional fans?] Optical Drive: 20 euros Wireless Internet: 20 euros I need help with monitors too, I like ASUS, but its hard to figure the quality of them via a picture :x Typically H87 and B85 boards are less expensive than Z87's but I don't know pricing in Europe. So if that Z87 Pro3 board is less expensive than the H87 and B85 boards than okay but otherwise you want a H87 and B85 board since you won't be overclocking. Only reason why you would get the Antec 900 or 1100 is for aesthetics. A Fractal Design Define R4 is around the same price and is a way better case. GTX 760 can run most games comfortably on reasonably high settings. Antec has sort of fallen off the radar for everything. Some good units are Superflower Golden Green 450, Seasonic G 450, XFX Core Edition 550, and Antec High Current Gamer 520. No you do not need additional cooling.
Should I pay extra for the video card? I'm willing to if it means playing BF4 at a much higher setting, I'm really trying not to spare any expense but am fearful of overheating
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On August 23 2013 04:56 mav451 wrote:
I think it'd still be good idea to add a bottom intake in the R4, just to aid getting fresh air to the GPU. Just 7v a 120mm that he has lying around haha.
I just moved here, I got nothing whatsoever lol I don't even know what the R4 is
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Is this your first build? Modern computers don't overheat unless the heatsink was improperly installed, the build is completely unreasonable, or you fail to maintain it over the years.
Fractal Define Design R4 is one of the best cases right now. Excellent price, sound-dampening foam, extremely flexible, built-in fan controller, excellent interior, and looks sexy.
If you're a as you described, a graphics whore then paying extra for a 7970 GHz or GTX 770 is a good idea.
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It's my second, but I never built one before and since owning a really shitty laptop that overheats, I've been paranoid about heating since 2008.
770 is nvidia right?
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fHow much Wattage do I need for the PSU and I guess I wont get a coolermaster CPU Cooler
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One of the units I listed is enough.
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Oh geez, I didn't even notice.
Let me take a gander tomorrow morning and I'll look up some monitors too.
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For smoother motion, you might want to look at 120 Hz monitors. But two of those are expensive, and there's no way you're getting well into 60+ Hz with higher settings on BF4 without some serious graphics cards. You'd be out of budget.
Anyway, don't forget to stop here (though the list is slightly outdated):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308280
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I don't understand the difference between the two Hz.
I'm mainly looking for two 23 inch monitors, or how should I go about it? I'm not using both for gaming, just one and the other is for reading and browsing the web. It'll probably be vertical if I can help it
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It more or less equates to the FPS the monitor can actually display (the number of times the monitor physically refreshes the screen per second). Higher FPS is smoother to a point, but eventually you reach a level where you don't really notice it (although there's also a threshold where it's so high it starts seeming unnatural, i.e. the soap opera effect). More realistically your issue is that even if the monitor can display 120FPS, you would need a system capable enough to render 120FPS consistently to make use of it. He's saying you won't be able to pull that off with your budget (and even if you had a system that could, you'll probably start running into other issues like microstuttering)
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If you want identical monitors than it's suggested you get IPS monitors instead unless your budget is large enough to accommodate two 120Hz monitors.
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Bf4 seemed to run really terrible from alpha benchmarks, a 760 might even be cutting too low on the GPU, really hard to say without much data though
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