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On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:What is your budget? 2,000-2,500 + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both? What are you using it for? Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now What is your upgrade cycle? I'll be upgrading the computer as needed When do you plan on building it? In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys. Do you plan on overclocking? This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient Where are you buying your parts from? States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me. other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions I appreciate the help
Gaming Monitor: BenQ gw2450 ($160)
A 24" monitor of good quality. I think a non-tiny screen provides a better gaming experience, and I don't find it much of a hassle to see the minimap and the rest of the screen at the same time. But if you sit really close, you can look for a tiny monitor on your own.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299&nm_mc=OTC-FroogleNEW&cm_mmc=OTC-FroogleNEW-_-Monitors - LCD Flat Panel-_-BenQ-_-24014299
Photo/Video Editing Monitor: Asus Proart PA248Q ($280 after a promo code that takes fifty bucks off, promo ends May 6)
This monitor has a higher potential selection of colors, making it better for art work. Though it may make things seem overly-colorful for generic gaming. Also, if you're serious about art work, you'll probably want to figure out how to properly calibrate it. If you're not that serious about art, there's not a huge reason to get this over something like the above.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236287
There's exactly one feature in After Effects that benefits from a particular video card brand:
GPU-accelerated ray-traced 3D renderer
If you feel like that's super-important to you, you may want to look at Nvidia cards using CUDA, otherwise there's no reason to do so, any video card can handle the other GPU-accelerated features in After Effects. Future versions of After Effects probably won't use CUDA-specific features. A quick google search also seems to indicate Cyberlink programs can use either major card brand.
So...
CPU: i7-3770k ($310 - or Haswell equivalent when it comes out)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=70540&vpn=BX80637I73770K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1280
Mobo: Gigabyte Z77-HD4 ($119 - or Haswell equivalent when it comes out)
The CPU & Mobo linked are overclockable, which is recommended if you want the best possible performance. Whether you want to wait a few months for the new processors are up to you. Prices will probably be only a touch higher, for a 5ish-up to maybe 10%? performance increase. Plus having to wait.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128580
Memory: 2x8GB AMD 1600mhz RAM ($99)
Way overkill for gaming, potentially useful if you use big files for your art.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820103036)
Thermalright HR-02 Macho ($53)
These are hard to find in the states. Quiet & powerful though. Needed only if overclocking.
http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Thermalright/HR-02_Macho_Rev.A,_CPU-Kuehler/1024658/?
GPU: Sapphire Radeon 7950 ($310)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202026
Case: Fractal Design R4 ($80 after promo code, offer ends May 2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020
edit- oh. Use only if you havent' already purchased that Thermaltake monstrosity.
PSU: Antec HCG 520w (on special at $72, otherwise go with a rosewill capstone 450w at newegg)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=67324&vpn=HCG-520M&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1235
Samsung DVD-burner ($18)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151256
SSD: Plextor 256GB ($183)
put programs you want to load zoom-zoom fast here
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=75232&vpn=PX-256M5S&manufacture=PLEXTOR&promoid=1280
HDD: Seagate 2TB ($80)
media files & overflow storage
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66010&vpn=ST2000DM001&manufacture=Others&promoid=1280
Windows: Windows 7 64-bit OEM ($100)
I am a passionate hater of Windows 8, but you can grab that for about the same price if you prefer.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
Total: $1784, not including case. Not really much reason to spend more without increasing monitor resolution significantly. Spend the rest on software/a monitor calibrating tool, nice desk setup, whatever.
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Mobo decided to die (I think? + Show Spoiler +audio started looping and screen went black whilst browsing, nothing very intensive. Restarted, and now neither monitor gets any signal (pitch black, LED light blinking, same stuff as it does when pc is turned off). Tried switching gfx card, same effect.
Current setup:
Intel i5 2500K
Geforce GTX 670
8GB RAM
Asus Xonar DX audio card
I also have a Geforce GTX 560 Ti lying around which I could probably use as a PhysX card if possible so I'll most likely need a x16/x16 mobo and a case that fits it all (currently have antec 300). Dont have a very strict budget but Id still like to keep it kinda price efficient (dont need a thousand USB ports or anything like that).
E: Will most likely order fromVerkkokauppa.com. Thinking something like the Asus P8Z77-V would be good?
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On May 01 2013 02:03 Westerhound wrote:Mobo decided to die (I think? + Show Spoiler +audio started looping and screen went black whilst browsing, nothing very intensive. Restarted, and now neither monitor gets any signal (pitch black, LED light blinking, same stuff as it does when pc is turned off). Tried switching gfx card, same effect. ) Gonna go ahead and get a new mobo and a new case while Im at it. Current setup: Intel i5 2500K Geforce GTX 670 8GB RAM Asus Xonar DX audio card I also have a Geforce GTX 560 Ti lying around which I could probably use as a PhysX card if possible so I'll most likely need a x16/x16 mobo and a case that fits it all (currently have antec 300). Dont have a very strict budget but Id still like to keep it kinda price efficient (dont need a thousand USB ports or anything like that). E: Will most likely order from Verkkokauppa.com. Thinking something like the Asus P8Z77-V would be good?
Having a dedicated physx card when your main card already has physx will drop your FPS in games that use physx. The only time having a dedicated card for physx is when your main card is AMD.
Oh and only a handful of games actually use physx...
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The CPU seems to use 50 Watts power at 4 GHz under load, 100 W at 4.5 GHz and 150 W at 5 GHz.
Please stop saying stuff like this guys, power usage is tied to voltage more than anything. A CPU that will do 5ghz at 1.25v will consume something like half the power of one doing it at 1.5v, and both exist. The standard voltage range for 4.5ghz would be something like 1.15 to 1.4, with some cases going over and some of the crazy new batches laughing at both numbers
http://i.imgur.com/Q2Cij1Q.png
http://i.imgur.com/oUDzgBK.png
And on high end GPU's, its hard to recommend anything, 700 series next month (at least 780, 770, 760ti) that will probably mess up price/performance a lot. 780 is much much closer to the GTX Titan than to the 680
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^ For reference, my i7 (which consume more power than i5s) consumes about 190w at 5ghz@1.5v. With VTT/IMC/PCI/iGPU added in, it takes it up to 200w+. My RAM takes up 30w. These numbers would be a lot higher with a lower end motherboard too.
I tried to keep it short, it's a bit difficult to explain the whys of motherboard quality. I think adding my personal experiences with motherboard quality would have been useful to the guy who asked. I hope my posts allow people to know how to figure this stuff out on their own.
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Belial - my recommendation:
If you want to elaborate, hide the longer details in a spoiler, while putting you main points as visible topic sentences or headers. Try to write more in bullet points while being as concise as you can. Try to avoid narratives. Keep rhetoric to a minimum.
Have you taken technical writing? It's prob best to frame responses in this thread to the layman perspective.
For discussion among peers, there's no problem with writing more from the expert perspective.
I do this at work a the time. Architects don't need to know the engineering rationale behind my work, but they still need to understand how I reached my conclusions.
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Is the difference between a 2500K and a 2550K only the 100mghz more for the 2550K ?
Because in Paris I can find a 2550K for 120€, when the 2500K is still at 140€ (and it's OEM version ! Box is 150€). It's pretty tempting
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The 2550k has no integrated graphics. 120 EUR sounds super good. All your prices sound suspiciously good. Is that used or what? For a 3550k at the same place, do you still pay something more normal like 190 EUR?
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On May 01 2013 05:52 Ropid wrote:
The 2550k has no integrated graphics. 120 EUR sounds super good. All your prices sound suspiciously good. Is that used or what? For a 3550k at the same place, do you still pay something more normal like 190 EUR?
No, the 3570K is at 168€ now. It's a street in Paris, a Chinese street with like 50 (or more) shops in a very small zone, the concurrence is hard out there and the prices are always crazy.
There is a website where people report the current prices, but you can't order http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/comparer,processeurs,102,1,1,1
The 2550K price is from a friend who works there tho, normal price is 137€.
A google map to give you an idea of the concentration of shops http://www.rue-montgallet.com/boutiques/carte
Well the map doesn't load for me, but trust me, there are A LOT of shops in that street and all streets around =)
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I'm considering buying the 7950 double-d xfx for litecoin mining. Anyone have input on this? I mean I'd basically pay $150 for it (selling my 460 and the crysis3/bioshock/farcry it comes with), if not less.
It seems 6xxx and 5xxx series cards are insanely expensive on ebay right now, probably due to the whole mining craze, so 7xxx cards are at least at msrp or below still, so that's the only choice to buy right now for mining.The 7970 is only like 50% more hashrate but almost double the price.
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I would say no to XFX DD HD7000.. They have a shit ton of overheating problems.
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yea i seem to keep seeing that and it's not cheap enough to warrant buying replacement fans or whatever it is that takes to fix it. And it seems it's voltage locked?
Doesn't matter, the sapphire dual-x 7950 at tigerdirect, $279 AR seems to be the cheapest (the farcry/bioshock/crysis game bundle goes with any 7950 you buy brand new from practically anywhere, ie amazon, td, egg, mc, etc) anyways and as I understand no one says anything about heating issues on it.
Not sure on what kind of pcb it uses, not that I care much about water blocks and even if I did I'm sure there's still more than enough water blocks to choose from for a custom pcb/7970 pcb.
What I'm still confused on, about the whole locked voltage issue on some 7950s, is if this is like a minor problem that can be fixed if you just edit the bios and people are just too lazy or dumb, like they usually are, or if this is a serious problem that can't be fixed. I guess it doesn't matter if the sapphire version is the cheapest 7950 out there anyways...
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Newegg having sales on almost literally every component I want a month before I'm building is not fair  hahaha.
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On May 02 2013 01:00 Belial88 wrote:
yea i seem to keep seeing that and it's not cheap enough to warrant buying replacement fans or whatever it is that takes to fix it. And it seems it's voltage locked?
Doesn't matter, the sapphire dual-x 7950 at tigerdirect, $279 AR seems to be the cheapest (the farcry/bioshock/crysis game bundle goes with any 7950 you buy brand new from practically anywhere, ie amazon, td, egg, mc, etc) anyways and as I understand no one says anything about heating issues on it.
Not sure on what kind of pcb it uses, not that I care much about water blocks and even if I did I'm sure there's still more than enough water blocks to choose from for a custom pcb/7970 pcb.
What I'm still confused on, about the whole locked voltage issue on some 7950s, is if this is like a minor problem that can be fixed if you just edit the bios and people are just too lazy or dumb, like they usually are, or if this is a serious problem that can't be fixed. I guess it doesn't matter if the sapphire version is the cheapest 7950 out there anyways...
Apparently the fans go all the time in the XFX dd ones, and although XFX are apparently great with RMA, it 's a PITA. The dual-x cooler is decent.
I have a Sapphire 7950 myself (950mhz edition).
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Google Fiber provides you with a router so why buy one?
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On May 02 2013 07:00 skyR wrote:
Google Fiber provides you with a router so why buy one?
Wait, they do?
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Yes they do, it has four ethernet ports and supports like a dozen wireless connections.
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Oh wow, thanks for pointing that out. Glad I asked before wasting any more of my time and money on a router.
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