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On April 28 2013 05:22 skyR wrote:
Not sure where you get the idea that there's going to be price cuts in June. Intel doesn't do price cuts when a new generation of CPUs are released and price cuts on GPU don't happen over night. DDR3 pricing is also steadily going up.
Microcenter just dropped ivy bridge $20, and it will most likely be permanent ($169). I think tigerdirect also has ivy bridge at like $189 or some crazy special, forget exactly the details.
On April 28 2013 11:30 Beardedclam wrote:
Nope. I can set up the TV from my Graphics card HDMI, but I want to be able to extend the display. My motherboard HDMI is not being detected.
Right... working as intended. You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy. If you have a graphics card, you should never plug into your motherboard, plug all your monitors into your graphics card. Your GPU can handle multiple monitors just fine, that's where you are supposed to plug it in.
Now if you didn't have a graphics card, you would plug into the motherboard and use integrated graphics, but if you have a discrete graphics card there is no reason to use the weak integrated graphics. There is an exception in a program called Virtu MVP, ie you plug into your motherboard and then the program 'intelligently' switches between igpu and discrete gpu and it outputs from the motherboard video out but most people say it's a worthless program, complicated, and it fudges performance numbers and has issues anyways.
Very simple - if you are using a graphics card, always plug it all from the graphics card. You can't use both the igpu and discrete graphics at the same time, and the dicsrete graphics GPU is so strong that you are way better off just using multiple monitors off a single graphics card than trying to split it, even if you could.
I have a ud3h as well - it's always good to include your system info when having issues but this has nothing to do with your motherboard, you just shouldn't be plugging into your mobo at all. On the ud3h, first off there's an option on the same screen where the USB and SATA information is - there's 'Internal Graphics', that refers to your integrated graphics, your iGPU. You want that disabled when using a graphics card (though it doesn't hurt to leave it on, you just aren't using it). If you plug into your mobo, you want that enabled, but that means you aren't/can't use your GPU.
The "Init Display First" option is also in regards to graphics, if you are using a graphics card you want to set that to PEG (pci express graphics, PCI refers to the legacy slot, and then igpu is igpu) although it really doesn't matter either.
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On April 28 2013 15:43 Alryk wrote:Is this (Silverstone ST45SF 450W) power supply good/worth buying? I'm possibly looking for something that would fit in a case like the fractal design node 304. I would want to have a longer GPU though, so normal 160mm modular doesn't work. I know there are better PSUs for less at a normal size, but for SFX, is this the best I can do? Also, would this be able to power something like a 4570K + a 760? I assume yes? If it was in a Node 304, cooling would probably be reasonably adequate right? I'm not looking to break any records with overclocking. I'd probably pick up a Noctua NH-U12S when it's available) (Edit: I may or may not go with a build this small... just trying to figure everything out in case I do. Essentially putting together a big and small.)
Yes, there aren't many good SFX PSUs as you already know.
Yes it will power it. But it's kind of stupid asking for advice for a build several months in the future.
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I know. I'm not looking for specific deals/advice/etc. But iwas really bored last night and I'm excited for it haha. I figured it wasn't a bad idea to ask considering the psu market isn't exactly changing as rapidly as everything/anything else.
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You linked the ST45SF-G, not the ST45SF. The former is newer and better, a different design, probably the best SFX power supply out there because almost nobody makes any.
I think it's not so much about the reduced size but the ability to use a reduced-length cable set.
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On April 28 2013 18:24 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 11:30 Beardedclam wrote:
Nope. I can set up the TV from my Graphics card HDMI, but I want to be able to extend the display. My motherboard HDMI is not being detected. Right... working as intended. You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy.
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I'm successfully doing exactly what you just said is impossible.
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On April 28 2013 23:26 Myrmidon wrote:
You linked the ST45SF-G, not the ST45SF. The former is newer and better, a different design, probably the best SFX power supply out there because almost nobody makes any.
I think it's not so much about the reduced size but the ability to use a reduced-length cable set.
Oh sorry, I didn't realize they were so similarly named. But yeah, that was the one I meant to link. Thanks!
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On April 29 2013 01:59 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 18:24 Belial88 wrote:On April 28 2013 11:30 Beardedclam wrote:
Nope. I can set up the TV from my Graphics card HDMI, but I want to be able to extend the display. My motherboard HDMI is not being detected. Right... working as intended. You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy. ? I'm successfully doing exactly what you just said is impossible.
ya, he's wrong. That was sort of the entire point of Intel's Z chipset.
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^ No need to be nasty every time you post, there is nothing 'wrong' in my post nor did I ever say it was impossible, ever. As I mention in the post, you can do it but it's an exception and the few reasons to do so are pretty niche. The guy asked about hooking up a dual monitor set-up basically (tv and monitor are no different besides some standards which govern the two), you should be plugging your monitors into your GPU, not both gpu and igpu. You can change the properties of the 2nd monitor (extend, mirror, if it's on left or right) in the screen resolution options.
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How am I being nasty every time I post? You seem to think that I hate you which is not correct. And no, the reasons to use the motherboard's IGP are not niche. Some GPUs don't have HDMI so its easier to just plug it into the IGP than purchase an adapter. It wasn't until the 600 series that Nvidia decided to support more than two monitors, having three monitors not exactly a niche.
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On April 29 2013 11:23 Belial88 wrote:
^ No need to be nasty every time you post, there is nothing 'wrong' in my post nor did I ever say it was impossible, ever. As I mention in the post, you can do it but it's an exception and the few reasons to do so are pretty niche. The guy asked about hooking up a dual monitor set-up basically (tv and monitor are no different besides some standards which govern the two), you should be plugging your monitors into your GPU, not both gpu and igpu. You can change the properties of the 2nd monitor (extend, mirror, if it's on left or right) in the screen resolution options.
You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy.
Uh. You explicitly said it's not possible to simultaneously use your discrete and intregrated graphics card, i.e. "impossible."
If there's anyone here with a routinely "nasty" posting disposition, it's you.
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On April 29 2013 11:45 skyR wrote:
How am I being nasty every time I post? You seem to think that I hate you which is not correct. And no, the reasons to use the motherboard's IGP are not niche. Some GPUs don't have HDMI so its easier to just plug it into the IGP than purchase an adapter. It wasn't until the 600 series that Nvidia decided to support more than two monitors, having three monitors not exactly a niche.
I can vouch for this situation... o:
I didn't think it was uncommon 
Also, I know I'm potentially adding fuel to the fire, but you did Belial: You can't use both the igpu and discrete graphics at the same time, and the dicsrete graphics GPU is so strong that you are way better off just using multiple monitors off a single graphics card than trying to split it, even if you could.
That seems kind of explicit to me. It's not a big deal, but don't call Skyr out for being nasty if he's simply correcting you D:
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What is your budget?
2,000-2,500
What is your resolution?
Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both?
What are you using it for?
Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'll be upgrading the computer as needed
When do you plan on building it?
In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys.
Do you plan on overclocking?
This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient
Where are you buying your parts from?
States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me.
other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891
nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions
I appreciate the help
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On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:
'http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891
Kill it with fire!
+ Show Spoiler +It looks scary 
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On April 29 2013 23:38 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:
'http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891
Kill it with fire! + Show Spoiler +It looks scary
At least it is an interesting looking design instead of just a box with copious amounts of LEDs
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On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:What is your budget? 2,000-2,500 + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both? What are you using it for? Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now What is your upgrade cycle? I'll be upgrading the computer as needed When do you plan on building it? In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys. Do you plan on overclocking? This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient Where are you buying your parts from? States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me. other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions I appreciate the help
Just to clarify, I assume because of military benefits you can get things shipped to you exactly as if you lived in the states? Because if so, it'd likely be a lot cheaper to buy from US-based websites (currency conversion mostly, also somewhat lower taxes). Also, when you say video editing, what programs are you using? There's a big difference between professional programs and editing home video. Lastly, why do you want a small screen for gaming rather than a larger one? And how small would you want it?
Edit: as for the case, it looks ugly and expensive to me. But if you think it looks like the coolest thing ever, looks are one of the few real-world benefits cases bring to the table.
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On April 30 2013 01:59 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:What is your budget? 2,000-2,500 + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both? What are you using it for? Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now What is your upgrade cycle? I'll be upgrading the computer as needed When do you plan on building it? In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys. Do you plan on overclocking? This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient Where are you buying your parts from? States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me. other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions I appreciate the help Just to clarify, I assume because of military benefits you can get things shipped to you exactly as if you lived in the states? Because if so, it'd likely be a lot cheaper to buy from US-based websites (currency conversion mostly, also somewhat lower taxes). Also, when you say video editing, what programs are you using? There's a big difference between professional programs and editing home video. Lastly, why do you want a small screen for gaming rather than a larger one? And how small would you want it? Edit: as for the case, it looks ugly and expensive to me. But if you think it looks like the coolest thing ever, looks are one of the few real-world benefits cases bring to the table.
After effects and cyberlink. I want a small screen for games and a big one for photo/video I want a small screen because i heard SC is hard to play if the screen is too big what would be the best size for SC?
I like the case because fo the space hard drives and i think it looks super cool lol there is alot of things that i liked about that case.
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On April 30 2013 03:02 nichan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 01:59 MisterFred wrote:On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:What is your budget? 2,000-2,500 + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both? What are you using it for? Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now What is your upgrade cycle? I'll be upgrading the computer as needed When do you plan on building it? In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys. Do you plan on overclocking? This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient Where are you buying your parts from? States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me. other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions I appreciate the help Just to clarify, I assume because of military benefits you can get things shipped to you exactly as if you lived in the states? Because if so, it'd likely be a lot cheaper to buy from US-based websites (currency conversion mostly, also somewhat lower taxes). Also, when you say video editing, what programs are you using? There's a big difference between professional programs and editing home video. Lastly, why do you want a small screen for gaming rather than a larger one? And how small would you want it? Edit: as for the case, it looks ugly and expensive to me. But if you think it looks like the coolest thing ever, looks are one of the few real-world benefits cases bring to the table. After effects and cyberlink. I want a small screen for games and a big one for photo/video I want a small screen because i heard SC is hard to play if the screen is too big what would be the best size for SC? I like the case because fo the space hard drives and i think it looks super cool lol there is alot of things that i liked about that case.
Well, I'd say the sweet spot for 1080p play is about 23 inches. I play on a 21.5 inch monitor and it's fine.
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On April 29 2013 12:17 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 11:23 Belial88 wrote:
^ No need to be nasty every time you post, there is nothing 'wrong' in my post nor did I ever say it was impossible, ever. As I mention in the post, you can do it but it's an exception and the few reasons to do so are pretty niche. The guy asked about hooking up a dual monitor set-up basically (tv and monitor are no different besides some standards which govern the two), you should be plugging your monitors into your GPU, not both gpu and igpu. You can change the properties of the 2nd monitor (extend, mirror, if it's on left or right) in the screen resolution options. Show nested quote +You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy. Uh. You explicitly said it's not possible to simultaneously use your discrete and intregrated graphics card, i.e. "impossible." If there's anyone here with a routinely "nasty" posting disposition, it's you.
There is nowhere I say the word impossible. Yes, there is lucid virtu and simultaneous igpu/gpu, but the guy clearly isn't going into that or triple monitors. No need to tell the guy how to overclock his ram's refresh interval IX9, likewise, no need to get into all of that. I specifically describe exceptions in the post.
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The price jump beyond 24" is very steep, so pretty much everyone goes for 23-24 inches.
On April 30 2013 07:59 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 12:17 Craton wrote:On April 29 2013 11:23 Belial88 wrote:
^ No need to be nasty every time you post, there is nothing 'wrong' in my post nor did I ever say it was impossible, ever. As I mention in the post, you can do it but it's an exception and the few reasons to do so are pretty niche. The guy asked about hooking up a dual monitor set-up basically (tv and monitor are no different besides some standards which govern the two), you should be plugging your monitors into your GPU, not both gpu and igpu. You can change the properties of the 2nd monitor (extend, mirror, if it's on left or right) in the screen resolution options. You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy. Uh. You explicitly said it's not possible to simultaneously use your discrete and intregrated graphics card, i.e. "impossible." If there's anyone here with a routinely "nasty" posting disposition, it's you. There is nowhere I say the word impossible. Yes, there is lucid virtu and simultaneous igpu/gpu, but the guy clearly isn't going into that or triple monitors. No need to tell the guy how to overclock his ram's refresh interval IX9, likewise, no need to get into all of that. I specifically describe exceptions in the post.
Read your own words. In multiple places you state in no uncertain terms that you CANNOT use both a video card and integrated graphics at the same time. You are notorious for misleading people for a reason.
On April 28 2013 18:24 Belial88 wrote:
You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy.
You can't use both the igpu and discrete graphics at the same time
If you plug into your mobo, you want that enabled, but that means you aren't/can't use your GPU.
YOU CAN.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HJsEbPR.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QSAxRmd.jpg)
He specifically asked if doing this was possible and IT IS.
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On April 30 2013 05:39 Gumbi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:02 nichan wrote:On April 30 2013 01:59 MisterFred wrote:On April 29 2013 21:40 nichan wrote:What is your budget? 2,000-2,500 + Show Spoiler +What is your resolution? Dont have monitors yet I would like dual monitors a small one for gaming and maybe a bigger one for photo/video editing I don't know what resolution would be good for gaming or editing but I imagine it would be different for both? What are you using it for? Gaming Photo/Video Editing for now What is your upgrade cycle? I'll be upgrading the computer as needed When do you plan on building it? In tow weeks I might wait for the new intel chips depending on the advice I get from you guys. Do you plan on overclocking? This is my first build if it is convenient, then yest Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Not sure whatever is best for the build and more cost efficient Where are you buying your parts from? States or Europe Italy to be more Specific I'm stationed there but can get parts sent to the states and then mailed to me. other things I might note the only thing I have so far is the case for my build http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001891nothing else so please help me with all the parts power supply SSD motherboard and anything else you guys can help me with thanks PM me for any questions I appreciate the help Just to clarify, I assume because of military benefits you can get things shipped to you exactly as if you lived in the states? Because if so, it'd likely be a lot cheaper to buy from US-based websites (currency conversion mostly, also somewhat lower taxes). Also, when you say video editing, what programs are you using? There's a big difference between professional programs and editing home video. Lastly, why do you want a small screen for gaming rather than a larger one? And how small would you want it? Edit: as for the case, it looks ugly and expensive to me. But if you think it looks like the coolest thing ever, looks are one of the few real-world benefits cases bring to the table. After effects and cyberlink. I want a small screen for games and a big one for photo/video I want a small screen because i heard SC is hard to play if the screen is too big what would be the best size for SC? I like the case because fo the space hard drives and i think it looks super cool lol there is alot of things that i liked about that case. Well, I'd say the sweet spot for 1080p play is about 23 inches. I play on a 21.5 inch monitor and it's fine.
Any advice on the parts and is it worth waiting for the haswell chips?
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