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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 27 2013 10:16 Cyro wrote: Hm.. But what about when you are playing Skyrim, and you have 3-5 second load times on fast travel instead of 20 seconds? You do that like, 10 times per hour Well I don't like Skyrim, sooo..... yeah. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 27 2013 09:46 Ercster wrote: I've seen how fast boot up can be, I just don't care. I realize that it's difficult for others to understand, but I really just don't care about the decrease of 10 seconds for booting up. If you install a 25GB MMORPG that lasts for 5 minutes instead of an hour? The increase in general comfort and the overall experience is far better than a couple more detailed pixels for example | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 27 2013 11:03 Shikyo wrote: If you install a 25GB MMORPG that lasts for 5 minutes instead of an hour? The increase in general comfort and the overall experience is far better than a couple more detailed pixels for example I don't play mmorpg'ss either. I know how fast they are, and I understand that it's odd that I don't plan on getting one, but it's how I am. As long as I don't run into any problems while playing games, I don't care about speed. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Actually, 24GB. Because your motherboard gets an 8GB free. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On April 27 2013 14:02 Alryk wrote: What I don't understand is why you need 16GB of RAM but don't want an SSD? 16GB RAM will have actually less of a difference (read: none) on gaming than an SSD, which at least increases loading times. Unless you're an engineer who uses Autocad or something (in which case you'd be crazy to not want an SSD anyways hehe) you'll never realistically use 16GB of ram. It will quite literally have zero benefits of gaming. Actually, 24GB. Because your motherboard gets an 8GB free. Yeah either way he should be taking out the 16gb ram (which is overpriced), and either spending that $100 on an ssd, or not spending it at all. Plus sli sucks. Plus the powersupply is almost double what's necessary. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Lakona
Canada110 Posts
~1000-1200. What is your resolution? Not set in stone. Getting a new monitor as well, haven't chosen one yet. What are you using it for? HEAVY gaming and streaming. Streaming SC2 in highest possible quality like 12+ hours per day. What is your upgrade cycle? Long ass time. Ideally I'll never have to buy anything after this until SC3, lawl. When do you plan on building it? Within the next couple months. Do you plan on overclocking? I guess considering the level of performance I'm looking for, this would probably be necessary, right? Plus, it's probably more cost efficient? Assuming so, sure. Do you need an Operating System? I... don't know? What is the alternative to not having an OS...? o_O Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? This means, like, having multiple graphics cards? If I could afford it and it would up performance in a cost efficient manner, then I'm open to the idea, I guess. Whatever options gives me the most power for my budget. Where are you buying your parts from? Canada. Thanks for any help! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
New releases are coming in June and sales change every week in Canada so ask again during the week you're building. Someone will recommend you a build then when prices and hardware will be relevant. Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM was on sale for $184 not so long ago, typically one of the best monitors to purchase in Canada. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 27 2013 05:54 Ercster wrote: I'm going to wait for the new Intel chips and 700 series gpu's. I know many have said to get an SSD, but I don't care about load times and boot times. It's easy to say that, but I dont think you realize how insanely fast SSDs are. They are faster than HDDs on a factor of 25-50x in where it counts. It's not just your level loading time and boot time, it's everything. It adds up really quickly to a much better user-experience. The heart of a general usage computer, is all the SSD (gaming = gpu, streaming and cpu dependent games like sc2 = cpu). Technically, yes, the cpu is the heart, but even $40 CPUs like celerons are so strong these days that they'll manhandle general usage like browsing, pulling up photos, reddit, forums, etc. However, the SSD is all about that stuff. If you wanted a better computer as a non-gamer, you would basically focus your build on the SSD. Oh, and if you play games like skyrim, GTA, Assassins creed, or wow, SSDs actually significantly impact FPS and in-game performance. I personally only play starcraft 2 and stream, I don't have much money at all, I tell people to buy only 4gb of RAM to save money and older gen GPUs because of their performance to price, despite their drawbacks. I'm telling you, SSD is huge. I literally cannot tell a difference 99% of the time on my i7-3770k to my athlon, even in gaming my i7 really isn't noticeably better... but when I use my laptop with a HDD on it, it's just aggravating and frustrating to do anything at all. Your computer is gonna suck balls if it doesn't have an SSD in it. The fact you can buy cheapo SSDs on ebay for $30 that are more than large enough to put your OS on means you should never be without an SSD unless your budget is under $200 (even then I'm not so sure). You can really get some nice SSDs under $100. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
e. also I wanna see some benchmarks from about those gains you say you get on certain games. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Just google 'ssd vs hdd wow" and you can find plenty of information and videos. It's just a huge fail not to have an ssd in a rig that you have anything nicer than a $50 cpu in. Gaming rigs especially don't need much storage, why would you not go with a high end ssd under $100 that covers all your storage needs. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I didn't say get a 32gb as your entire system storage, just if you really are so 'strapped' than just add a $30 crap 32-64gb ssd, it'll be way faster than a hdd alone. Personally I dont use more than 50gb of storage so I actually regret buying a 80gb ssd instead of just a 64gb ssd that was faster. But most people aren't going to use more than 100gb of storage so a 128gb ssd would be fine for them. And it'd definitely be worth the 'hassle' of deleting stuff you don't need to use anymore if it was like that, but it isn't. Now most people probably wouldn't be okay with just 64gb, but a 128gb would be enough. And a 32-64gb for OS would be way faster than just hdd alone. Dont make a strawman here. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
e. and I dont wanna start a war here, I just think some people "fanboy" SSDs way too hard. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On April 27 2013 19:20 FinBenton wrote: Please tell me the benefits of having just OS on a SSD that are worth the extra 100 dolla instead of better monitor, gpu, cpu etc. e. and I dont wanna start a war here, I just think some people "fanboy" SSDs way too hard. When you're spending over $100 extra to go above 8gb of ram (wtf?), or spending $200 on a psu when a $100-$120 would be sufficient (wtf?), or doing sli with 670's, not having an ssd is unintelligent, regardless of personal feelings. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 27 2013 19:20 FinBenton wrote: Please tell me the benefits of having just OS on a SSD that are worth the extra 100 dolla instead of better monitor, gpu, cpu etc. e. and I dont wanna start a war here, I just think some people "fanboy" SSDs way too hard. SSD: Everything's far faster. Better gpu: While not gaming, no benefit. While gaming, you can crank the settings up a few notches higher and might or might not notice a difference. I download and move around and unzip a lot of stuff and I do like it when a 15gb zipfile opens in a minute instead of an hour. It's just a much more important benefit than being able to play some games at a bit higher graphics settings. Note I don't mean here the difference of GT 520 vs GTX 680. I mean something like 7850 vs 7950. How much is that performance increase worth? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The main benefit is from having Program Files and maybe some scratch space on there. Then however many commonly-played (and more like one-player) games you can fit in the rest. If you're not opening multiple programs at once, doing a lot of different things, and are using the computer mostly just to web browse or play games, then it's not as big a deal. Certainly not if it's mostly just OS on there. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
You could always buy one to try out and then return it if you really didn't like it. Newegg only has a 15% restock fee, so it'd probably be around $20 in total for restock + return shipping. My money would be on you not returning it. | ||
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