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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I think Capstone is a bit long, seeing as it has 140 mm fan. Keep in mind that mITX motherboards are relatively expensive, and you need to spend ~$200 if you want something Z77 with a socket far enough away from the PCIe slot to fit a decent tower cooler in the proper orientation. As for TJ08-E, see here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/ss-tj08e If you care about idle noise, you may need motherboard voltage control (or say a Zalman Fan Mate 2 or whatever) to undervolt the front fan. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On April 26 2013 07:47 Myrmidon wrote: Strider Plus 500W is actually not that quality (performance is borderline, compared to even cheap stuff like Corsair CX / Rosewill Green / whatever), but not exactly bad. I think Capstone is a bit long, seeing as it has 140 mm fan. Keep in mind that mITX motherboards are relatively expensive, and you need to spend ~$200 if you want something Z77 with a socket far enough away from the PCIe slot to fit a decent tower cooler in the proper orientation. As for TJ08-E, see here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/ss-tj08e If you care about idle noise, you may need motherboard voltage control (or say a Zalman Fan Mate 2 or whatever) to undervolt the front fan. Oh well that might rule out the prodigy  Thanks for the review. I think I'm going to look more into that, because it seems like it might end up being exactly what I want. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 26 2013 23:02 Ercster wrote: I want to build my first rig within the next couple of weeks. I don't want to spend more than $2,000, and I want to be able to play on the highest settings for most games, if not all. This is what I've come up with so far, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/T9D7. Is there anything that could be improved upon or changed? I already have an optical drive, so I don't need that. Don't need an i7 for games, i5 3570k would be sufficient. And it will still smash all games around. 16g of ram is overkill, get 8g and might as well be 1600mhz these days (just because cost, benefits aren't revolutionary). Invest these savings in a solid state drive, absolute no brainer for a build this high end. Gives you amazing boot times and sick loading times for everything you have on the SSD. Samsung 840 I think, but haven't checked SSDs recently. PSU looks pretty expensive, but I can't recommend you one. Also if you are spending this much, make sure you have a case you like the look of. You have to look at it every time you turn it on so might as well get something you really like. One more thing, new gen of processors are coming out in month or two. Might be worth waiting for, but not a big deal if you want the computer now. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
AFAIK gigabyte boards are just the best choice for z77, Belial88 can tell you a specific one You don't need an 80 plus gold 1200w PSU even for SLI, its overkill by a factor of like 1.7-2x SLI is not the best option, for power consumption, thermal management, the drivers/frametime issues (although SLI is a LOT LOT LOT better than crossfire) it's just not really efficient to run with 2 cards, especially lower tier ones, it's maybe an ok option though, but: 700 series GPU's like next month. Refreshed kepler, 780 will be quite a bit better than a 670 or even 680 (it was rumored to be the Titan LE, but turned out to be the 780) and then we get 770, 760ti, price:performance will be shaken up quite a bit. Really there's little reason to have more than a 780 - about 90% of the performance of the gtx titan - and multi-gpu can be a bit awkward performance and driver wise. Also the 212 evo for $30 is not really good - you can get the 212+ for $19, which is only a few degrees worse (because of lapped base and different fan on the evo iirc) but both heatsinks SUCK, they exist for low-medium overclocks and there's a big gap in the right cases between them and better options If performance matters to you enough to even consider sli on high end cards, you will surely want the 200-400mhz more on the CPU that a higher end heatsink can give you, because ivy bridge is so heat limited. And also Haswell release in 5 weeks: ~8-9% better at stock (the same clock speed), but more overclocking options and reason to believe (due to architecture changes, more mature 22nm process, maybe heat spreader issues fixed, etc) that overclocking further will be a lot easier, 5ghz haswell could be the norm like 4.5 is for ivy bridge for a mid range OC Of course SSD is mandatory on a build like this. 830 or 840pro iirc. Crucial just released a new series of drives.. m500? That are worse in performance in some area's - but not really in super noticable ways, but they have a 960gb drive for $600 if mass storage on an SSD appeals to you. Most people go for 128gb drives though, store limited things only and might notice the improved performance of the 830/840pro over a crucial drive Oh, and i5 vs i7? On a 2k build i don't really see the point of holding back on it. Hyperthreading will give you the 20% boost in some areas, even help a lot in some games (crysis 3 is pretty much alone here.. for now at least) but it's only a 5% price difference, might as well go all out. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If you're considering two higher-end graphics cards, you better also get (unless you already have it) some kind of 1440p or higher monitor or something 120 Hz. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
And the 780 is a lot closer to the gtx titan, that to the 680 - it's the same GPU, just with some parts disabled, and with the 780, 770 and 760ti released i am sure pricing will change notably with GPU's And of course, Haswell june 2. It would be very silly to make a high performance system five weeks before a new CPU architecture, considering it happens only once every 2-2.5 years - even if Haswell does not seem to be absolutely groundbreaking, it will be a notable step up at the very least. I have faith in it to OC better than ivy - as well as having the 8% performance per clock lead, probably better thermal situation and more options. My suggestion would be a Haswell i7 (because it's not much more than i5 as a % of total cost, and will probably be at the very least, a bit useful sometimes) with a 780, with current indications. Rather than messing about with ivy bridge/z77, and dual, weaker GPU's, but it's hard to say til this stuff is actually out.. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 27 2013 04:32 Ercster wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded! It is greatly appreciated! What are you going to do? | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
I'm going to wait for the new Intel chips and 700 series gpu's. I know many have said to get an SSD, but I don't care about load times and boot times. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
You can also make a lot of scheduled backups from your SSD to your HDD with a setup like that. A backup running in the background won't matter to the SSD. It'll be bored at 20 % usage while it's interacting with an HDD. This will be easy to work into the plan you have for what you'll do if a fiasco happens to your Windows installation. The SSD is also super good for something like hourly backups of stuff with Windows 8's File History. This is what I like most about an SSD, not only the load times. I feel better boot times are not a good argument as there's sleep mode for that. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 27 2013 06:47 Ropid wrote: It seems strange to skip the SSD with the money you plan to use. A PC with an SSD feels like a totally different computer compared to a PC with HDD. If you are worried about it being a waste, just buy a 64 GB SSD instead of something large and go SSD+HDD. Take the money for the 64 GB SSD from what you planned to use for 16 vs. 8 GB RAM, i7 vs. i5 or the pricey GPU. You can also make a lot of scheduled backups from your SSD to your HDD with a setup like that. A backup running in the background won't matter to the SSD. It'll be bored at 20 % usage while it's interacting with an HDD. This will be easy to work into the plan you have for what you'll do if a fiasco happens to your Windows installation. The SSD is also super good for something like hourly backups of stuff with Windows 8's File History. This is what I like most about an SSD, not only the load times. I feel better boot times are not a good argument as there's sleep mode for that. I know it's strange, but the load times aren't a big thing for me. Everyone I've talked to says I'm crazy, but I don't care. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Even after using an ssd (crucial c300.. old) comparing to an m4 on another system with a fresh windows install and POST times set to as short as possible, it was like, scratching nose as system boots, oh shit, it's done already *grap mouse* cant imagine using a hdd, after i bought this ssd years ago for £170 (~$250) for 128gb.. they are like, a third of that price now, and so much faster | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 27 2013 08:37 Cyro wrote: I don't think you can make that decision until you have seen a good one in action, i mean, 4-200x faster storage is kinda crazy. With some windows/POST time tweaks, on a good ssd without bloat programs set to boot, you can restart in like, 10-14 seconds, from desktop to desktop, it's insane.. On windows 7.. and i hear 8 is more than twice as fast if you use it. Even after using an ssd (crucial c300.. old) comparing to an m4 on another system with a fresh windows install and POST times set to as short as possible, it was like, scratching nose as system boots, oh shit, it's done already *grap mouse* cant imagine using a hdd, after i bought this ssd years ago for £170 (~$250) for 128gb.. they are like, a third of that price now, and so much faster Indeed. Some may think standard drives are "just fine". I just spend the past week on my HDD (the copy of Windows on my SSD wasn't compatible with my motherboard without a clean install). It was torture. Even the sound was annoying, the spinning disks were very noticeable due to my open case. Get an SSD. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
you have like, 50 posts in a row here | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 27 2013 09:07 Cyro wrote: Gumbi, do you only post in build resource? o.0 you have like, 50 posts in a row here Lol. Problem? Past few weeks have just been horrible for me college-wise, this sub-forum is a focal point of my procrastination.  haven't played SC2 in a while because of the work  . I'm off for 2 weeks now before exams though so all is well :D | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On April 27 2013 08:37 Cyro wrote: I don't think you can make that decision until you have seen a good one in action, i mean, 4-200x faster storage is kinda crazy. With some windows/POST time tweaks, on a good ssd without bloat programs set to boot, you can restart in like, 10-14 seconds, from desktop to desktop, it's insane.. On windows 7.. and i hear 8 is more than twice as fast if you use it. Even after using an ssd (crucial c300.. old) comparing to an m4 on another system with a fresh windows install and POST times set to as short as possible, it was like, scratching nose as system boots, oh shit, it's done already *grap mouse* cant imagine using a hdd, after i bought this ssd years ago for £170 (~$250) for 128gb.. they are like, a third of that price now, and so much faster I've seen how fast boot up can be, I just don't care. I realize that it's difficult for others to understand, but I really just don't care about the decrease of 10 seconds for booting up. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On April 27 2013 10:16 Cyro wrote: Hm.. But what about when you are playing Skyrim, and you have 3-5 second load times on fast travel instead of 20 seconds? You do that like, 10 times per hour Or installing programmes (shit you dl from the net all the time for various reasons) in 10 sec instead of a min? | ||
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