EPTI made it pretty clear in my post there are exceptions.
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I made it pretty clear in my post there are exceptions. | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 30 2013 09:18 Belial88 wrote: Dude asked about how to hook his TV up to his system. He didn't ask about triple monitor or how to use igpu and gpu at same time. I simply told him exactly how to do it, get it working, and what BIOS settings to set for his specific motherboard. You are more than welcome to give a more in-depth response with more detailed information. I usually get yelled at for doing exactly that. I made it pretty clear in my post there are exceptions. You get yelled at for being misleading and bringing up irrelevant discussions. He asked why isn't the monitor being detected when being plugged into the motherboard's HDMI which sort of is asking how to use the IGP and GPU at the same time. You did not answer the question, you instead went onto pointlessly giving an outdated lecture on always plugging everything into the GPU. You're also wrong and refuse to admit it. You mentioned an exception, not exceptions. That exception being Lucid is also not really an exception. Plug everything into the GPU except when using Lucid, .... just what? | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
There is nothing wrong here, the guy asked a very simple question on how to hook up his TV. If I am mistaken on what his intentions were, he can let me know. It seems you seem to be assuming quite an awful lot on what his intentions were with so very little information his part given and no update. It seems he asked a rather basic question on hooking up a second monitor, basically, if he wants to go more in-depth or needs a more in-depth answer, he can provide more details. I stated exceptions in my post, but I do not think it was necessary. I answered his question by telling him exactly what bios changes needed to be done, and that he should plug his second monitor into his graphics card. Yes, you can plug into both your igpu and gpu.... i know, i posted saying that. But that's obviously not relevant to his question based on the information given and a bit more in-depth than necessary. You are free to explain igpu+gpu and all the exceptions if you'd like, I merely answered the man's questions very specifically and to the point. For the relevance of what he posted, he simply needs to know that he really shouldn't plug into his motherboard, that he should plug his tv into his graphics card. Yes, he could plug into his motherboard, as I said, there are exceptions and you don't need to argue to me what I clearly stated in my post. If you want to argue on how important it is to know that you can plug into the igpu, tell him, not me. I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion if the guy isn't even posting anymore. You seem to have a lot of hostility to me, I've PM'd you before trying to work things out but you never respond. You only seem to want to drag this into the public and make it nasty every time. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
On April 30 2013 09:32 Craton wrote: No, you told him that doing so would disable his video card. Read your own post. You cannot use both your discrete graphics card, and your integrated graphics on your CPU (that you connect via motherboard). It's one or the other buddy. He didn't say anything about disabling to be fair | ||
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Craton
United States17233 Posts
If you plug into your mobo, you want that enabled, but that means you aren't/can't use your GPU. This is just a circular argument now. I've thoroughly proved the point; I'll stop derailing. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
If you want to take it to PM I'd love to work things out, I had no idea you were so offended that I said I loved skyr. It was supposed to be a compliment. There's no need to elaborate on instances when you've been wrong on pricing or insulted me over quoting prices, it's in the past and I'd rather work towards a better future than rehashing a bad past. We've all said wrong things before. | ||
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United Kingdom20275 Posts
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grockey
United States51 Posts
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grockey
United States51 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
More load (more computations, doing stuff) wears it down faster, and this is only accelerated by increased temperature and voltage. But the stock settings are so conservative that for most peoples' use, most likely any OC you can achieve on a Hyper 212-type cooler can probably be run for years. (btw some people with Hyper 212 or so have much higher than 4.2-4.3 GHz. Depends how lucky you get.) Z77 Pro3 is also a bit of a limitation if you want to go to high 4.x GHz. Xigmatek Gaia is pretty much the same thing for $20: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082 The Thermaltake TR2 model listed there sucks. It's cheap because it's not any good. Unfortunately, nothing decent is really on sale. If you want to save, don't go under this Corsair CX430 for $50 - $10 MIR (here the modular version because the other is not in stock): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 30 2013 13:30 grockey wrote: I've heard that OC shortens the life span on your CPU. Is this true? and if so by how much? No one knows yet. Ivy Bridge isn't that old, and there's no reports yet of any CPU dying from running overclocked. That's with people out there that run it at 5 GHz and more. If you do something that runs it 24/7 under load, you should probably worry more about the motherboard's life span than the CPU. The CPU seems to use 50 Watts power at 4 GHz under load, 100 W at 4.5 GHz and 150 W at 5 GHz. That all has to go through the motherboard's VRM area. About 24/7 load: Windows keeps the CPU at 1600 MHz most of the time even while you have a 1080p stream open in a window, some programs do stuff in the background on the hard disk, and you browse around the web. You really have to use a special program to get it under full load all day, something like searching for Mersenne primes or Folding@home. If you don't do that, there's probably nothing about overclocking severely reducing the life span of your stuff. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 30 2013 13:21 grockey wrote: I was wondering, This is a build I recently completed, If I were to get a proper CPU cooler how far do you think I could OC? http://pcpartpicker.com/user/grockey3/saved/1xcy Right now the H100 is on newegg refurb for $71 (after a $7 rebate lol), and corsair doesn't ask for receipts so it's still covered under warranty anyways. Honestly that's the best deal on a high end heatsink right now, it's not great but it's not a terrible price (i'd say it's just $11 too expensive but that's really not a big deal). Pro3 is a bad motherboard. It can do a moderate overclock but it'll really struggle to do more than 1.4v. How far you can overclock entirely depends on your chip, but I can tell you that no matter what chip you have, your motherboard will limit you before a high end heatsink will, which is bad. Ivy Bridge is completely limited by heat, not voltage (unlike sandy, for example). So if you got a great chip, like my i7, I would only be able to do 4.8ghz@1.4v, and that'd really be stressing the board, whereas on my ud3h I can do 5ghz@1.5v with no problem at all. The motherboard gets hot just like everything else. With a good motherboard, it's not an issue. The pro3 is crappy enough that it's actually an issue. For example, on my msi z77a-g41, my board starts to overheat and get louder than the 8 case fans I have on full blast, on just 4.5ghz@1.3v (which is a slightly lower quality mobo). On my UD5H I can do 1.6v and never go above 60*C on the motherboard, and that's with PWM settings set to extreme and doubling the frequency on them (something you can't even do on the pro3). Now, with 1.4v, you can still do a decent overclock, but the problem with the Pro3 is that it generally is too expensive for how low quality it is. Why would you buy a Pro3 when for only $40 you can get an extremely high quality board that will easily let you do an extra 100-300mhz. And at $20-30 per 100mhz, I'd definitely say the Pro3 at it's usual price is a crap motherboard. If it was $50-60, it would be okay (and that would just make it 'even' with $120 high quality boards, not a good deal). Not to mention, there are tons of other things wrong with the board - flimsy, weak PCB, total lack of RAM overclockability, no SLI or Crossfire support (granted, those are not necessary), worse sound and i/o, just all around a junk board. Now you might say, well, what if I am like 50%+ of people, who gets an IB that can only do 4.6ghz on a reasonable voltage? Well, sure, but the thing is, with a D3H or an Extreme4 or Asus LE, you could just pump 1.4-1.5v on your crappy chip and get an extra 100-200mhz on it, and the board's also won't be creaking and cracking just to do so. It'll be much more pleasurable to overclock on them as well. If you think of overclocking as a chore, and you see a Pro3 at $50-60, and you really need to cut corners, go for it. Otherwise you can get a biostar board of much higher quality at a similar price, you can get the MSI Z77A-G41 for $20 which is a terrible motherboard but it's at least dirt cheap at microcenter, or you can find some used p67/z68 board of much higher quality (hey, you are the one insisting you need to cut corners, I'd say spend $100-120 on an extremely high quality board). Sorry it's so long but motherboards are complicated and it's hard to convey how much one board sucks or is good. People have no perspective on motherboards, it works for them and they think it's all gravy, but they don't realize they are using increased voltage for the same overclock, especially on an asrock pro3, they have much higher temps, that the experience isn't nearly as rewarding or enjoyable.... The pro3 just isn't a good value. It would make perfect sense if it was cheaper, but at $80+ you literally are getting a worse value than if you spent $100-120 Do you really need 2TB of data? Are you ripping blu rays? How much is your current computer using? The more storage you need, the slower your drives. If you can, I'd recommend you go purely with SSDs, you can get a high end SSD with 128gb, which is more than enough storage for just gaming and general usage, under $130. You could even half that price if you want to stretch your dollar. However much storage you need, it'd really be a failure to not have an SSD in your build. SSD impacts performance on everything but gaming, basically. It makes going on forums, starting up your computer, looking up files, all instant and quicker. It really makes a huge difference (ever used a macbook air?). Get the 7850 on sale on newegg instead. Do you not live near microcenter? http://www.overclock.net/t/1386771/newegg-3570k-asrock-extreme-4-60-off/0_100 Anyways, i5-3570K + Asrock Extreme4 for $294, which is $4 less than the Pro3 and i5 that you picked out. The extreme4 is actually a bad motherboard but it's way better than the pro3, and still good for higher overclocks. It's really just a bad choice for high overclocks and in comparison to the boards it's usually similar in price with. As for overclocks being dangerous, that might have been the case 8 years ago, but not anymore, not in any significant capacity. These days you got heatsinks, motherboards, entire chipsets devoted to overclocking, a lot of components are actually recommended to overclock. Motherboards and GPUs and memory comes pre-overclocked and bundled with special overclocking software and not just covered in warranty, but guaranteed in warranty. If you have any reservations, computer companies can't tell if you overclocked or not, there's no way to tell unless you edit the BIOS (even then they can't always tell, and it's not necessary to do anyways), and Intel has the "Extreme performance plan' that guarantees your CPU to overclock damage, so you can do crazy liquid nitrogen overclocks and if your chip blows, they'll give a no questions asked replacement. Although intel already does not ask any questions (as most companies don't, frankly). Even RAM, any ram over 1333mhz CL9 speed, is actually an overclock, you HAVE to overclock the RAM to make it run that (guaranteed) speed. edit: terrible choice in PSU, it's really a bad psu (especially if it's V1, which you don't know, which was a dangerous psu). Honestly right now I'd wait on a psu, right now there are currently no specials on anything good. don't pay that much for a cx430, it's a crap psu but at $20-30 it's cheap enough to make it worth it. At $40 it's not worth it. 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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
I don't even care if you get into pissing matches so long as there's some sensibility in it. But I have a problem with your need to post word spaghettis no matter how small the problem or question is. The amount of shit you post just encourages people to pick apart your posts because of your attitude and the amount of random trivia you put in your posts. Its also intimidating because: - (1) some people are going to listen to you no matter how insane some of the things you might post because you're filling your posts with nice buzzwords. - (2) people know responding to your posts is only going to have you type another 1,000 word essay so its hardly worth the effort trying to respond to you. - (3) some people might not even try reading your posts because they're way too long. The guy asked how much he could overclock with a half decent heatsink and you responded to his question and build with a one thousand one hundred and twenty eight word reply. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
Your posting style of "everything I don't like is terrible" and you're insanely low prices on everything puts me off a bit. I'm not trying to be a d*ck at all, really (see above). Regarding the Hyper 212, someone I know (on another forum) has 3 3570k at 4.5ghz on 212s, I have my own at 4.6 @ 1.275v (finally got a manual voltage control mobo, so that's an accurate figure :D), maxing at 75ish in Prime and 86ish in IBT. So 4.3 is a bit conservative for this cooler IMO. | ||
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grockey
United States51 Posts
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