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On January 09 2013 22:31 Rollin wrote:You can normally get the 830 128gb for $90-$100 on sale. The 830 vs 840 will be of no consequence to most users, and the huge premium is ridiculous.
Not sure what you're talking about.
830 was discontinued in November and you'll hardly find any places having 830 on sale, yet alone in stock.
The premium between a 840 and 840 Pro is only about $30 which is not huge and not surprising either for two extra years of warranty, MLC, and better performance.
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my specs
memory ram is the integral = 2gb
intel core 2 duo 2.93 ghz
graphics card = old school = nvidia geforce 9500 gt
case: dell optiplex 360
i had my own post about this considering on an upgrade but after reading the comments i think a new computer would be better. some comments told me to get a custom built one, but i dont know how to build one.
has anyone went to a local computer shop and ask to build a custom gaming desktop?
the reason i ask is because i dont know how to build my own computer, but i also have in the back of my mind that shops would just rip me off for the money o.O
thanks
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Well the best you can do is fill in the form from the very first OP.
I think you can't salvage anything from your old rig save for the case (?) and maybe the Ram for a laptop or tests or whatever (random ram sticks very often come handy when your comp is crashing on you). Maybe you can keep your comp together and give it to a relative who doesnt need performance.
As for the building thing, be aware that all you need is a screw driver and the diy skills of a 5yo child (and it's kinda fun and feels rewarding). Just take the time you need, no stress, do things slowly and think before acting (so that you don't have to do thing over and over because ou forgot to screw component A before component B).
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There are ample amount of online resources to look at as well (your logged into one of them) for building a PC, and it isnt scary at all. Picking the parts is the trickiest thing to do, and thats what this thread is all about.
It really isnt scary at all.
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On January 10 2013 05:57 FakePseudo wrote:Well the best you can do is fill in the form from the very first OP. + Show Spoiler +
I think you can't salvage anything from your old rig save for the case (?) and maybe the Ram for a laptop or tests or whatever (random ram sticks very often come handy when your comp is crashing on you). Maybe you can keep your comp together and give it to a relative who doesnt need performance.
As for the building thing, be aware that all you need is a screw driver and the diy skills of a 5yo child (and it's kinda fun and feels rewarding). Just take the time you need, no stress, do things slowly and think before acting (so that you don't have to do thing over and over because ou forgot to screw component A before component B).
/offsubject
OP = original post
So very first OP doesn't really mean anything^^
/backonsubject
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For a gaming PC at 1080p, I have the following parts in mind (everything else is sorted out):
Budget is $450 for everything, before rebates and taxes.
PSU: CM 450W 80plus $30
HDD: (taken care of)
RAM: (taken care of: 2x2GB 1333 DDR3)
GPU: HD7850 1GB ~$170 (Newegg)
CPU: 2500k $150 OR 3570k $170 (Microcenter)
MOBO: ??? $100 or $80
While I know the 3570K is better, my problem is if I spend the extra $20 on the 3570K, that's $20 less for the MOBO I'll have. Basically, I have $250 for CPU and MOBO so either I get 2500K $150 + MOBO $100 OR 3570K $170 + $80 MOBO. I do plan on overclocking but only very slightly, or if If feel that stock is good enough I will stay at stock.
So, which would be better? Also, would I need to upgrade my RAM (currently 2x2GB 1333Mhz DDR3)? Lastly, will a 450W 80plus run all this or would I need to get a higher wattage PSU?
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You have to decide at build time whether or not you want to overclock because overclocking requires an entirely different kind of motherboard as well as a 3rd party cooler as the heatsink Intel gives you at the start is really bad. Its only good enough to stay in the safe zone at default clocks.
If you go back on wanting to overclock, you've wasted money. If you decide you dont want to overclock and then change your mind, you can't go back without returning the board.
450W PSU is more than enough for a single GPU system.
You might need more memory, that will depend on your tastes. While 4gb of memory is by no means awful, memory is so cheap and you can get 8gb for like the price of a pizza dinner, so I guess it bears mentioning.
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I can't off the top of my head recall any Cooler Master 450W power supply with (standard) 80 plus certification. GX450 is 80 plus bronze; maybe you mean that? That's okay in quality, nothing that good but definitely not bad—usually I'd recommend better, but at $30 after rebates it would be a good deal. Then again, after rebates, Corsair CX430 sometimes goes for $20-25. Actually it's $20 after rebate on newegg now.
Which parts exactly do you need in the $450 budget? You didn't mention a case, optical drive, or OS. Just making sure those are not needed.
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On January 10 2013 11:09 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You have to decide at build time whether or not you want to overclock because overclocking requires an entirely different kind of motherboard as well as a 3rd party cooler as the heatsink Intel gives you at the start is really bad. Its only good enough to stay in the safe zone at default clocks.
If you go back on wanting to overclock, you've wasted money. If you decide you dont want to overclock and then change your mind, you can't go back without returning the board.
450W PSU is more than enough for a single GPU system.
You might need more memory, that will depend on your tastes. While 4gb of memory is by no means awful, memory is so cheap and you can get 8gb for like the price of a pizza dinner, so I guess it bears mentioning.
I'm going with no overclock. Stock speeds seem good enough. Also, for RAM, I might get that at another time since I'm so close to going over budget. So, want to help me pick out a MOBO now?
On January 10 2013 11:22 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't off the top of my head recall any Cooler Master 450W power supply with (standard) 80 plus certification. GX450 is 80 plus bronze; maybe you mean that? That's okay in quality, nothing that good but definitely not bad—usually I'd recommend better, but at $30 after rebates it would be a good deal. Then again, after rebates, Corsair CX430 sometimes goes for $20-25. Actually it's $20 after rebate on newegg now.
Which parts exactly do you need in the $450 budget? You didn't mention a case, optical drive, or OS. Just making sure those are not needed.
I have a case, I can use my current optical drive, and I have the OS already. Oh, the 430W for $20 looks nice, I might get that then, though I feel that I might be skimping too hard on the PSU, despite it being 80plus bronze.
EDIT: Oh, I might actually be looking for a cheap case. I'll look around for PSU/Case combos but if I can't, then I'll upgrade my case at another time. I just have to clean my current case.
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On January 10 2013 11:25 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2013 11:09 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You have to decide at build time whether or not you want to overclock because overclocking requires an entirely different kind of motherboard as well as a 3rd party cooler as the heatsink Intel gives you at the start is really bad. Its only good enough to stay in the safe zone at default clocks.
If you go back on wanting to overclock, you've wasted money. If you decide you dont want to overclock and then change your mind, you can't go back without returning the board.
450W PSU is more than enough for a single GPU system.
You might need more memory, that will depend on your tastes. While 4gb of memory is by no means awful, memory is so cheap and you can get 8gb for like the price of a pizza dinner, so I guess it bears mentioning. I'm going with no overclock. Stock speeds seem good enough. Also, for RAM, I might get that at another time since I'm so close to going over budget. So, want to help me pick out a MOBO now? On January 10 2013 11:22 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't off the top of my head recall any Cooler Master 450W power supply with (standard) 80 plus certification. GX450 is 80 plus bronze; maybe you mean that? That's okay in quality, nothing that good but definitely not bad—usually I'd recommend better, but at $30 after rebates it would be a good deal. Then again, after rebates, Corsair CX430 sometimes goes for $20-25. Actually it's $20 after rebate on newegg now.
Which parts exactly do you need in the $450 budget? You didn't mention a case, optical drive, or OS. Just making sure those are not needed. I have a case, I can use my current optical drive, and I have the OS already. Oh, the 430W for $20 looks nice, I might get that then, though I feel that I might be skimping too hard on the PSU, despite it being 80plus bronze. EDIT: Oh, I might actually be looking for a cheap case. I'll look around for PSU/Case combos but if I can't, then I'll upgrade my case at another time. I just have to clean my current case.
At Microcenter, the i5-2500k is CPU only, no cooler. May as well get the i5-3570k then, between those two. Or step down to the i3-3220 for $100, as that's already plenty for most games.
If you're on a longer upgrade cycle or tend not to care about graphics detail settings that much, I would get the i5. Otherwise, I'd suggest saving money and getting the i3 and upgrading other things like the video card or case.
Basic motherboard needn't even by $80. If you don't need extra RAM slots, extra SATA ports, extra PCI / PCIe slots, etc., you can go down all the way:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335
CX430 is not bad, just has 2nd/3rd tier capacitors and a sleeve-bearing fan (i.e. not built to last many many years), not really anything different than the GX450. Performance is actually pretty good. That's not really skimping.
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On January 10 2013 12:14 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 11:25 RiceAgainst wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2013 11:09 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You have to decide at build time whether or not you want to overclock because overclocking requires an entirely different kind of motherboard as well as a 3rd party cooler as the heatsink Intel gives you at the start is really bad. Its only good enough to stay in the safe zone at default clocks.
If you go back on wanting to overclock, you've wasted money. If you decide you dont want to overclock and then change your mind, you can't go back without returning the board.
450W PSU is more than enough for a single GPU system.
You might need more memory, that will depend on your tastes. While 4gb of memory is by no means awful, memory is so cheap and you can get 8gb for like the price of a pizza dinner, so I guess it bears mentioning. I'm going with no overclock. Stock speeds seem good enough. Also, for RAM, I might get that at another time since I'm so close to going over budget. So, want to help me pick out a MOBO now? On January 10 2013 11:22 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't off the top of my head recall any Cooler Master 450W power supply with (standard) 80 plus certification. GX450 is 80 plus bronze; maybe you mean that? That's okay in quality, nothing that good but definitely not bad—usually I'd recommend better, but at $30 after rebates it would be a good deal. Then again, after rebates, Corsair CX430 sometimes goes for $20-25. Actually it's $20 after rebate on newegg now.
Which parts exactly do you need in the $450 budget? You didn't mention a case, optical drive, or OS. Just making sure those are not needed. I have a case, I can use my current optical drive, and I have the OS already. Oh, the 430W for $20 looks nice, I might get that then, though I feel that I might be skimping too hard on the PSU, despite it being 80plus bronze. EDIT: Oh, I might actually be looking for a cheap case. I'll look around for PSU/Case combos but if I can't, then I'll upgrade my case at another time. I just have to clean my current case. + Show Spoiler +At Microcenter, the i5-2500k is CPU only, no cooler. May as well get the i5-3570k then, between those two. Or step down to the i3-3220 for $100, as that's already plenty for most games. If you're on a longer upgrade cycle or tend not to care about graphics detail settings that much, I would get the i5. Otherwise, I'd suggest saving money and getting the i3 and upgrading other things like the video card or case. Basic motherboard needn't even by $80. If you don't need extra RAM slots, extra SATA ports, extra PCI / PCIe slots, etc., you can go down all the way: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335CX430 is not bad, just has 2nd/3rd tier capacitors and a sleeve-bearing fan (i.e. not built to last many many years), not really anything different than the GX450. Performance is actually pretty good. That's not really skimping.
Oh, I think I have a basic Cooler Master CPU cooler on my CPU so if I do decide to get the 2500k, do you think I could reuse my current one? If not, then I guess the 3570k is the way to go. As for the MOBO, the price is a lot lower than I thought, I'm amazed. So, it seems like everything is finalized.
Final build:
CPU: i5 3570k $170
GPU: HD7850 $170 ($155 if I get the XFX instead of the Sapphire)
MOBO: ASRock B75M-DGS $60
PSU: CX430W $20
RAM: Patriot Mem. 2x2GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 (already have, might upgrade at different time)
HDD: Seagate 5400RPM 2TB (already have, but might upgrade at different time)
Case: -taken care of-
Optical Drive: -taken care of-
So, that brings me to roughly $400 to $420, though it'll initially cost more since I have to wait for the rebate and I have to pay tax & shipping. I think this is really good, thanks for the help guys!
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B75 can't overclock fyi.
And it doesn't make much sense to be purchasing a motherboard off Newegg when you are purchasing a 3570k from Microcenter. You can get the lowest end Z77 board from Microcenter for like $20 and okayish boards for $70.
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On January 10 2013 12:54 skyR wrote:
B75 can't overclock fyi.
And it doesn't make much sense to be purchasing a motherboard off Newegg when you are purchasing a 3570k from Microcenter. You can get the lowest end Z77 board from Microcenter for like $20 and okayish boards for $70.
Oh, I wasn't planning on overclocking anyways. Oh, and I've never actually been to Microcenter so I pretty much base everything off of the online deals; if I can find things cheaper in Microcenter than Newegg, then of course I'd gladly save me some extra money. Overall, I'm surprised and satisfied with this build. I really appreciate the help guys!
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On January 10 2013 02:08 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 22:31 Rollin wrote:You can normally get the 830 128gb for $90-$100 on sale. The 830 vs 840 will be of no consequence to most users, and the huge premium is ridiculous. Not sure what you're talking about. 830 was discontinued in November and you'll hardly find any places having 830 on sale, yet alone in stock. The premium between a 840 and 840 Pro is only about $30 which is not huge and not surprising either for two extra years of warranty, MLC, and better performance.
Ahh sorry, naming confusion. Thought the 840 was the pro version of the 830.
Last I saw the benchmarks the 840 vs 840 pro (maybe I'm thinking 840 vs 830) on anandtech, I recalled the difference in performance being a wash, depending the type of I/O. I did know about the 3 vs 5 year warranties and don't think it justifies the price difference. Although that was at release I think, may have changed since, and my memory is hazy, as always.
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On January 10 2013 11:51 skyR wrote:
Regular pricing...?
there was a 10 buck rebate, I thought they always sold for 30
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I have a question.
CPU: i5 3570k
GPU: (that will be my question)
MOBO: ASRock B75M-DGS
Case PSU: 550 Watt 80+
RAM: GSKILL 4GB VALUE DDR3 1600MHZ x2
HDD: WD 3.5" 1TB CAVIAR BLUE SATA 3.0 7200RPM 64MB CACHE
Monitor: (21.5 inch already have)
I'm building a computer for photoshop and internet. No rendering, no games. Just for photoshop. I wonder if photoshop requires a good GPU (Something like 660) or a low price GPU would enough. If a low price GPU would enough i would like to add a SSD.
So; for photoshop: SSD or GPU?
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3570k is meant for overclocking and a B75 cannot be used to overclock, a Z77 board is required.
There are some features in Photoshop that do make use of the GPU.
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my buddy wants to sell me his computer for 200 here are the specs is this a good deal? i can always upgrade it.
its a amd phenom 2 x4 840 3.2(quad core)
msi 870a-g54 (supports usb 3.0
2x2gb of ddr3 corsair dominator 1600
1tb hard rive
galaxy gtx 260 896meg 216 core
corsair 600 watt gaming seris
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