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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + CPU: i5 3570k $170 GPU: HD7850 $170 ($155 if I get the XFX instead of the Sapphire) MOBO: ASRock B75M-DGS $60 PSU: CX430W $20 RAM: Patriot Mem. 2x2GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 (already have, might upgrade at different time) HDD: Seagate 5400RPM 2TB (already have, but might upgrade at different time) Case: -taken care of- Optical Drive: -taken care of- I have three ideas in mind: Idea I You guys mentioned that an i3 3220 will be good enough for gaming. If so, how much performance difference will there be between that and the 3570k for games? If I could save me ~$70 from the CPU and then maybe more by buying my MOBO at Microcenter, then I'll use that saved money for an HDD, optical drive, RAM, and a case (OS still taken care of). i3 3220 $100 HD 7850 $170 B75 MOBO $20-$60 2x 4GB 1333/1600 DDR3 RAM $40-$50 HDD $40 (I'll look around, or might have a slow 500GB somewhere) CX430W $20 Case: ~$60 left Total: $500 This will give me a 100% brand new PC, with a nicer looking case. Also, I'll have an extra PC lying around that I might sell, just give to someone else, or keep so that someone else may use. Idea II CPU: i5 3570k $170 GPU: HD7850 $170 MOBO: Z75/Z77 ~$80-$100 HSF: Hyper 212 $30 PSU: CX430W $20 RAM: Patriot Mem. 2x2GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 HDD: Seagate 5400RPM 2TB Case: -taken care of- Optical Drive: -taken care of- Total: $490 Since I'll be getting a Z75 and a HSF, I can overclock the CPU (though I only plan on a slight, one time OC of around ~200 - 400Mhz). However, this means this will be my only PC, and my current PC will be useless (no HDD, no RAM, no optical drive). However, I would have to upgrade my PSU? And my case isn't the greatest so I'll have to use a generic case for an OC PC. Idea III Keep as is (build in spoilers), w/ little to no changes. This means some of my parts will be used and outdated. Total: $420; this leaves me with money for more games, a case, some RAM, or just extra pocket money. So, which build will bring the best performance? Which will be more futureproof? Outside of SC2, LoL, Dota2, SWTOR, and maybe Skyrim, I won't be playing many other demanding PC games, thus I felt that I didn't need to invest in more expensive parts. I'm used to playing on low graphics but for once, I'd like to play max/near max settings on 1080p. It would be a shame to get a gaming PC but end up playing not highly demanding games. | ||
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Ryshi
Canada361 Posts
XFX 550W PRO550W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 44A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze Here's the current build I have: Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked CPU & MSI Z77A-G45 DDR3 SLI Motherboard MSI Radeon HD 7870 OC Twin Frozr III 1050MHZ 2GB 4.8GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card Kingston HyperX Blu Black Series 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive Corsair Vengeance Series C70 High Airflow Mid-Tower Case ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT 2XUSB3.0 No PS Black Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120mm Dell monitor U2312HM I also don't have an ssd because it was also out of stock. I might get a Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR240GB-DX 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive but I've heard of it failing after 9 months or so. Thanks! | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On January 11 2013 11:05 Ryshi wrote: I need a new PSU because the one Skyr recommended to me is out of stock. Can I get a recommendation in place of this? XFX 550W PRO550W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 44A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze Here's the current build I have: Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked CPU & MSI Z77A-G45 DDR3 SLI Motherboard MSI Radeon HD 7870 OC Twin Frozr III 1050MHZ 2GB 4.8GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card Kingston HyperX Blu Black Series 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive Corsair Vengeance Series C70 High Airflow Mid-Tower Case ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT 2XUSB3.0 No PS Black Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120mm Dell monitor U2312HM I also don't have an ssd because it was also out of stock. I might get a Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR240GB-DX 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive but I've heard of it failing after 9 months or so. Thanks! Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR240GB-DX 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC @ how much? These will probably be better value: Intel 330 Series 180GB @ $135 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=71145&vpn=SSDSC2CT180A3K5&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1201 Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB @ $260 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=77219&vpn=MZ-7PD256BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1201 Intel 335 Series 240GB @ $180 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950DR3301&vpn=SSDSC2CT240A4K5&manufacture=OTHERS Intel 520 Series 240GB @ $213 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200DR6275&vpn=SSDSC2CW240A310&manufacture=INTEL As for the PSU: you can get the 450W version for $45-10MIR but I am not sure if thats a good deal. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
EDIT: Also to the list builders: Did you know the GTX 660 and HD7870 perform around the same and THE GTX 660 COSTS LESS and uses less energy? http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709 4018 600286742&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI Express 3.0 x16&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=100 | ||
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Ryshi
Canada361 Posts
On January 11 2013 11:20 Ata wrote: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe MKNSSDCR240GB-DX 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC @ how much? These will probably be better value: Intel 330 Series 180GB @ $135 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=71145&vpn=SSDSC2CT180A3K5&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1201 Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB @ $260 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=77219&vpn=MZ-7PD256BW&manufacture=Samsung Memory & Storage&promoid=1201 Intel 335 Series 240GB @ $180 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950DR3301&vpn=SSDSC2CT240A4K5&manufacture=OTHERS Intel 520 Series 240GB @ $213 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200DR6275&vpn=SSDSC2CW240A310&manufacture=INTEL As for the PSU: you can get the 450W version for $45-10MIR but I am not sure if thats a good deal. The Mushkin is $169 + $10 shipping (and can probably price match too). I think it's pretty cheap. Tbh I prefer a smaller ssd but then I heard the speeds are slower. Anyway, my main concern is the psu though. Will 450W be enough with a good margin of safety? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The 450W is plenty, but you'll need to use a molex -> PCIe power adapter that comes with the graphics card. If you're looking through an old build, don't take any particular recommendation too seriously at it's probably just whatever was cheap at the time. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
I think I got lucky on my monitor, I've tried my hardest and have only found 1 dead pixel. The stand wobbles way too easy. 1080p is owning my graphics card, on low/med in SC2 I'm only averaging 30FPS once I get any kind of army. The case is nice and I like that it doesn't have tool free crap. Having front USB and audio finally is nice. I noticed the Power LED and HDD activity LED are white so I popped in my LED fan on the side panel (with a custom made extension). Looks nice. Also my CPU load temps dropped from 67C (technically overheating, Tjunction is 60C) to 59C, 8C nice. CPU fan doesn't go past 83%. GPU temps dropped 5C. Every case fan location is filled except the 120mm bottom intake but I'm not going to put one in as all my excess cables lay in the way. Thanks Myrmidon for the suggestions. Although I just realized I got the Source 210 and not the 220 you pointed out. lol. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vAdQ4.jpg) EDIT: I can't seem to find the dead pixel anymore, so either it works now or I'm blind. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Not so sure about running so many fans like that, especially without dust filters. Have fun cleaning. At least Asus realizes the stand sucks and gives you a VESA mount, I guess. Also don't know if one dead pixel is lucky, but it's not unlucky? | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On January 11 2013 15:37 Myrmidon wrote: Seems like 210 and 220 are pretty much the same. 220 has a mesh front, USB3 front, extra top fan, and toolless bays. It was just because the cheap BitFenix stuff isn't/wasn't available on newegg, HAF 912 and other options weren't on sale, etc. NZXT can be pretty plasticky. You think it's okay enough as a budget case? Bends easily or not? No problems to report? I think the tool-free features on many cases are flimsy enough that I'd use screws anyway, but some people would take their absence as a negative rather than a positive. Not so sure about running so many fans like that, especially without dust filters. Have fun cleaning. At least Asus realizes the stand sucks and gives you a VESA mount, I guess. Also don't know if one dead pixel is lucky, but it's not unlucky? The lowest 3.5" mount is slightly too low to stash your excess sata cable underneath the hdd. When I was installing the standoffs the motherboard tray would bow. The case comes with an insane amount of screws (>60), all black, however only 4! are fan ones so I have ugly silver ones in most locations. The fan that comes with the case is the quietest one in my case and it feels like it's moving the most air. The power and reset switches are short action. It feels sturdy once everything is in so I have no qualms about build quality. Very excellent for its $40 price. Only cons I have is that the top of the motherboard is crazy close to the top of the case and there is no cable management hole for the CPU power. No chance to put any type of watercooling whatsoever. I don't think you can fit 38mm thick fans anywhere. I also wish the NZXT logo was more visible, looking straight at it in low/med light I can't see it. NZXT only provides 2 zip ties. Oh and the fact is ONLY comes with 1 fan. I'm only rocking a 92mm CPU cooler (TX3) and there is barely any space (~15mm) between the top of the CPU cooler and the bottom of the fans. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WX515.jpg) | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Warning: This might hurt some peoples heads. OH especially the comments. Stay far away. People recommending using nvidia cards with intel since AMD cards work better with AMD processors. Big myth of course. | ||
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Johnnycashew
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For reference this is my current computer's specs that I got from Alienware years ago (2009 I think) + Show Spoiler + Windows: Windows Vista Home Premium Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 6002) Internet Explorer: 9.0.8112.16421 Memory (RAM): 3071 MB CPU Info: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5800+ CPU Speed: 3007.5 MHz Display Adapters: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 | RDPDD Chained DD | RDP Encoder Mirror Driver Monitors: 1x; Generic PnP Monitor | Screen Resolution: 1920 X 1080 - 32 bit Network: Network Present Network Adapters: Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter with SpeedBooster v2 | Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller CD / DVD Drives: 2x (D: | E: | ) D: HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GH22NP20 | E: MagicISOVirtual DVD-ROM Ports: COM1 LPT Port NOT Present. Mouse: 7 Button Wheel Mouse Present Hard Disks: C: 458.1GB Hard Disks - Free: C: 270.8GB USB Controllers: 6 host controllers. Firewire (1394): 1 host controllers. Manufacturer *: American Megatrends Inc. Product Make *: Aurora R5 AC Power Status: OnLine BIOS Info: AT/AT COMPATIBLE | 08/22/08 | ALWARE - 20080822 Time Zone: Eastern Standard Time Battery Status: No Battery Motherboard *: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M3A32-MVP DELUXE IP Address: 192.168.2.101 | MAC Address: 00-16-B6-4F-EB-88 Host Name: JOHNNYCASHEW-PC SM BIOS: 1301 I would like to keep my budget within the $1500 mark, but am willing to go further if needed. My resolution is 1920x1080, and plan on using it primarily for gaming, streaming, and some video rendering. My upgrade cycle is approximately 2-3 years and I would like to build the new machine by March 2013. I do not require an Operating System and have no plans to over clock my machine or add a second GPU/SLI/Crossfire (Unless you think I require it) I plan on buying most if not all my parts from Newegg as I live in the Northeast United States.+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You also won't be spending anywhere near $1500 when you do not need an operating system, only using a 1080p monitor, and not overclocking. It's only going to be about $700 give or take for the configuration alone. | ||
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Ryshi
Canada361 Posts
On January 11 2013 14:30 skyR wrote: Corsair TX650v2 for $62 ($42 after mail in rebate), hot deal I think: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020 Thanks, I just saw this on rfd. Most likely going to get this one. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On January 11 2013 18:49 Medrea wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE Warning: This might hurt some peoples heads. OH especially the comments. Stay far away. People recommending using nvidia cards with intel since AMD cards work better with AMD processors. Big myth of course. That guy was hilarious. Worth watching for a few minutes just to appreciate the effort put into the set. Carefully stacking every book he owns was a nice touch. Other than that, kudos for some A-grade hypocrisy in criticizing professional reviewers for only benchmarking a few games then only benchmarking a few games. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On January 12 2013 04:00 MisterFred wrote: That guy was hilarious. Worth watching for a few minutes just to appreciate the effort put into the set. Carefully stacking every book he owns was a nice touch. Other than that, kudos for some A-grade hypocrisy in criticizing professional reviewers for only benchmarking a few games then only benchmarking a few games. Especially using a 7870... Oh bf3 at 1440p with 4xAA runs 1 fps better on the 8350! It must be betterrr. Not to mention the horrible inconsistencies, like the 3570k being at 25fps or something in crysis when the 3770k/3820/8350 were all at 35 or something. Did he forget the heatsink? I think all he proved was that he needs a more concise testing procedure, that he doesn't know shit about setting up xsplit properly, and that maxing every single graphical setting on a midrange card is not a useful test for the cpu. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
$159 3570k@MC $109 z77 UD3h@MC (yea i know, i made a stink about p67/z68, but the $40 bundle deal MC has, makes the argument irrelelvant, if i wasnt close to MC, or best buy who prices matches mc for that matter, i would probably get some p67/z68) $17 NZXT Source 210. As I understand it, this case is better than the Gamma, so seems awesome. Wish it had a clear panel on the side though, maybe ill mod it (certainly saved the money to do so), or see a case at MC that I like better. For RAM: Crucial Ballstix Tactical Tracer 1600CL8 1.5v 2x2gb $17 after 10% discount promo code (expiring tonight!) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148513 I see so many people say "just get 8gb bro, youll never use more than 4gb" but that's $25 more expensive. While $25 might not seem a lot.... for an extra $25 on top of that, I can get an i7. So what's better, 50% the cost of Hyper Threading or i7 vs i5, or 8gb of ram? Yea, I thought so. 8gb of ram is retarded to buy, i dont know why it comes recommended so much.... Anyways, enough bashing everyone. im asking for help here, or more like a review, since i know what im doing, but maybe you guys have seen a better deal somewhere. PSU: The CX 430 for $19 at newegg is sick. The CX 430 Modular for $24 (it will be $24, i got the email already on what the shellshocker price will be at 3pm pst, and it's $24) is also sick. I kinda want a 12v@42a+ PSU, so I can sli my 460's in the near future (or 480s or something, maybe, whatever, dont worry about it), but I'd only get it if it was under $50. However, there's a modular CX 600 on the egg for $59. A great price too, but that's basically $40 more expensive. For $10 more, I could get an i7 instead, so alas, ill just buy a psu for SLI if I ever do SLI in the far future. not now. Also, I'm thinking of maybe just buying 2 x 430's (would probably have to go modular if I stick 2x PSUs in my case lol). Hell, that'd be a lot more power, and cheaper, then the CX 600w anyways. There's ways to easily run a 2nd psu in the system. man that'd take so much load off the system too. like dedicate a cx 430 to the gpu, and then cpu.... wow. id have zero ripple ever lol. anyways. maybe at MC ill see some refurb or something, im not really confused on that. NH-D14, 80gb SSD x25-m g2 as my entire system storage (only used 40gb in 2 years on my hdd, and HOTS will only be an additional 8gb, so ill be fine), and GTX 460 768mb (at 922mhz, its a very good gpu, more than powerful enough for my needs like sc2, and the 768mb vram never gets maxed out on sc2 or the stuff i do, plus i prefer 768mb vs 1gb, since it overclocks further, the 192bit bus never gets anywhere over 20% either).... for $328. For an extra $50 I could get the i7. not sure if even with streaming sc2 and high end overclocks id ever need that over an i5, but if i were to upgrade anywhere, it'd be that. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
On January 11 2013 18:49 Medrea wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE Warning: This might hurt some peoples heads. OH especially the comments. Stay far away. People recommending using nvidia cards with intel since AMD cards work better with AMD processors. Big myth of course. Did he compare the GPU on the processors and not the processing power? He didnt even mention Hyper threading which makes the 3770K a beast. This video lacks so much information it confuses me again and again. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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