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Sweden33723 Posts
On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap.
I could cater to it with a ban if you'd like -_- Thread is just repeating itself, I wish I could lock it without moving it to closed..
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An aspect that hasn´t been mentioned yet is that we don´t even know if the dot is supposed to be sisible at all - last we heard the audio warning was removed.
Also in a 3D enviroment the dot is a lot easier to "hide". Just a quick turn of the camera and you could place it in a buildings "shadow".
I´m expecting the dot to be as visible as undetected stealth units ergo dumb luck, sharp eyes and knowledge about the game. Customizable dot colours might result in people complaining about getting bad colours - the worst case scenario.
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While I have no problem with an option for changing the dot color, I hate when people wrap themselves in an issue and berate other people from their moral high ground. In the 19th century they used to call this "waving the bloody flag". These days I call it "waving the victimhood flag". If you're a woman, a minority, gay, blind, deaf, color-blind, have polydactyly, restless leg syndrome, "1 in 11 people die every day from exothritis!", what the fuck ever, it somehow gives you the right to call other people retards for not jumping to your every whim because you are TEH VICTIM CAN'T YOU STEP IN MY SHOES AND SEE HOW AWFUL EVERYTHING IS?
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FieryBalrog - I have found myself on your side of things on numerous occasions and I know what you are saying and absolutely agree. However I feel this situation is different. A lot of the comments made here were from people who probably did not read the entire thread. If they did they would see, as you have, that we are asking for a color editor which would be fun for everyone to play with. It's an addon that doesn't seem to hurt anyone. I'm sure you have already figured this out since you have no problem with this idea, but can you see how it upsets me that people are resisting this? The bare bones of what happened in this thread is this:
1) We ask for a feature that can be used by everyone that could make the game more aesthetically pleasing (this idea evolved throughout the thread).
2) Because we happened to be colorblind, some people feel this is a classic case of the disabled trying to adapt the world for themselves. However these same people did not read the entire post and therefore do not realize we are asking for a universal feature that would be fun for everyone without changing the game. Therefore there is resistance. Not from people who simply don't want the feature, but are taking the stance that everyone should not suffer for the minority (I agree with this, but no one has to suffer in this case).
3) People start taking things personally and start a huge debate.
As a result people are resisting a feature that is intended to make the game playable for the colorblind, yet can be used by everyone to customize colors. Clearly this is not the classic debate I referred to earlier and it pains me that people are even opposing the colorblind asking for this feature. I mean why do people have to be oppose me ASKING for a feature like this? I ask Blizzard for something that is not negative for anyone and people say "NO DEAL WITH IT" just because my intentions were to make the game playable for the colorblind. Of course I'm upset. Of course I feel these people opposing this are not morally correct. I know I am repeating myself, but I have said this too many times in the thread and people still ignore it.
Also the comments made in this thread are not due to "waving the victimhood flag". It is because people failed to read the thread and are blindly opposing this feature. In fact many of the people who are taking the moral high ground as you say, are not even colorblind so they are not asking anyone to step into their shoes.
That being said I hope you see why many of these posts made me so upset and feel why some of the people here may feel they need to take a moral stance on this. You may have the last word, because this thread has become a battleground and has lost its original purpose, therefore I want it to just fade away.
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On March 21 2009 18:11 evanthebouncy! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Let me re-iterate my post in case you guys don't get it.
List all the thing that makes a good bw player:
logic
planning
multitask
speed
accuracy
drive
...
Is "ability to see color" anywhere in that list?
NO
why it is not in the list?
Because bw is not some imaginative "pick a color" game where the player need to differentiate different shades of colors.
So why should we assist color blind people to see better in bw?
Because color blind people can have all the good qualities listed that makes a good bw player, but still perform badly because he could not see color. Since broodwar is NOT a game designed to test the ability to see color, letting the color blind person see the color better does NOT gives him any advantage because it does NOT increase his bw abilities as listed above. However, by making him see better he is able to show us his competency at bw that he would otherwise unable to show.
So why should we NOT assist color blind people to see better in "pick a color"?
Because "pick a color" is designed to test the player's ability to see a particular color, therefore letting the color blind person to see the color better would be giving him an advantage in the skill set required to be a good "pick a color" gamer, nullifying the hardworks of non-color-blind person who trains hard to see color better.
Is color blind that big of a deal to make a change?
Yes, because as someone pointed out, 7-10% of males are color blind, and there are plenty male gamers that are also color blind, as there are no reason not to be a gamer if you are color blind.
I think I've made my point
evanthebouncy! for mod, admin, director of QA at Blizzard, and President of the USA.
Yeah, I'm another one of those partially colorblind people. I have some trouble finding the little red dot in BW, but I don't have a problem seeing it once I've found it (I guess that makes me normal when it comes to this issue). That said, I empathize with other people in this thread who can't or have severe trouble seeing it, as I may not have this particular problem, but it's come up before.
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Honestly, the best solution they could come up with that wouldn't mess up gameplay for anyone else, is add the option to change the color of the dot in some options setting. similar how in q3 you can change the color of your rail stream etc.
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On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap.
Get out, you're not welcome here.
Go back to ggnet
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On March 26 2009 20:07 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap. Get out, you're not welcome here. Go back to ggnet
and who are you to decide? this thread is pretty dumb, most people with this "handicap" can even see the damn dot, they might just need to try a little bit harder. Just the same way a stupid guy will have to try harder to learn to play starcraft properly.
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On March 26 2009 21:11 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2009 20:07 -orb- wrote:On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap. Get out, you're not welcome here. Go back to ggnet and who are you to decide? this thread is pretty dumb, most people with this "handicap" can even see the damn dot, they might just need to try a little bit harder. Just the same way a stupid guy will have to try harder to learn to play starcraft properly.
Read the thread, then come back.
I'm tired of explaining the same shit to dumb fucks like you that can't be bothered to read the thread.
If you won't read the thread, I'm not going to bother writing you out my argument again.
Go kill yourself, thanks
And no, it's not at all like the same way a stupid guy will have to try harder to learn to play starcraft properly. Color blindness isn't something from laziness on our part, we were born with it, it's not like it's our fault we can't see the dot.
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United States47024 Posts
On March 26 2009 21:11 nttea wrote:
and who are you to decide? this thread is pretty dumb, most people with this "handicap" can even see the damn dot, they might just need to try a little bit harder. Just the same way a stupid guy will have to try harder to learn to play starcraft properly.
You don't know the first thing about colorblindness, do you...?
On March 24 2009 00:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap. I could cater to it with a ban if you'd like -_- Thread is just repeating itself, I wish I could lock it without moving it to closed..
I always wondered why TL didn't seem to have that functionality.
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this is my last reply.. was stupid of me to even start getting involved. Most colorblind people will have trouble seeing the dot but CAN see it.
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On March 27 2009 02:56 nttea wrote:
this is my last reply.. was stupid of me to even start getting involved. Most colorblind people will have trouble seeing the dot but CAN see it.
Voice of authority on the matter.
On a side note, anyone with this condition is welcome to play with me 1v1. My race is terran.
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Sweden33723 Posts
On March 26 2009 21:11 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2009 20:07 -orb- wrote:On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap. Get out, you're not welcome here. Go back to ggnet and who are you to decide? this thread is pretty dumb, most people with this "handicap" can even see the damn dot, they might just need to try a little bit harder. Just the same way a stupid guy will have to try harder to learn to play starcraft properly.
.. And how is this an argument against including a feature that's
1) Easy to implement
2) Doesn't hurt anyone, but helps a lot of people
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United States47024 Posts
On March 27 2009 02:56 nttea wrote:
this is my last reply.. was stupid of me to even start getting involved. Most colorblind people will have trouble seeing the dot but CAN see it.
The berries in the distance are about the size of the red nuke dot, no?
I will laugh if you tell me you can make out the berries in the distance in the 2nd picture. Even if you can, I doubt that if someone handed you the second picture, and asked you "are there berries in the distant branch" your immediate answer would be yes (which is much easier than finding the nuke dot at any given screen position in an SC game, seeing as there are multiple berry clusters and the image is smaller).
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This thread needs more incontrol.
Also, color options makes perfect sense. At least now by reading this thread I can take note of who is and who is not worthy paying attention to.
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This thread is silly but wouldn't want to make it unfair the the color blind... <_< Be able to select the color of the dot.
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Haha, interesting perspective... must suck to be color blind. I can't imagine changing the color for the user (but not everyone in the game) being anything bad. If everyone can do it, no harm done.
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On March 27 2009 04:36 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 02:56 nttea wrote:
this is my last reply.. was stupid of me to even start getting involved. Most colorblind people will have trouble seeing the dot but CAN see it. The berries in the distance are about the size of the red nuke dot, no? I will laugh if you tell me you can make out the berries in the distance in the 2nd picture. Even if you can, I doubt that if someone handed you the second picture, and asked you "are there berries in the distant branch" your immediate answer would be yes (which is much easier than finding the nuke dot at any given screen position in an SC game, seeing as there are multiple berry clusters and the image is smaller).
I love the site that has these comparisons, all but one of the pairs of images look almost exactly the same for me.
That one is a perfect example.
For those that want to see the rest of the fun examples:
http://critiquewall.com/2007/12/10/blindness
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This thread got me thinking about the variation with the ease of spotting the red dot based things like on tileset, nuke victim's color, or even nuke victim's race (zerg with damaged buildings spewing blood). I see perfectly fine, but found myself thinking about changes to the red dot. If I'm a terran, should the effectiveness of nukes vary based on criteria like this? Seems like nukes should be just as viable no matter the tileset etc.
Instead of a pulsing dot, would a dot that cycles through every color in the rainbow be more uniform? Then however hard/easy Blizzard wants it to be spotted can be controlled by the size of the dot. Wondering is something like this might even be an improvement for those who see perfectly fine.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://colorvisiontesting.com/berries%20normal.jpg)
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