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On March 23 2009 00:16 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2009 22:25 floor exercise wrote:
while I think the majority of colorblind people are attention whores about it I don't see a reason not to include a way of changing the colors of certain things Yeah you try it and see how you like it, see if you start whining about it. I'm a damned animator... my passion is art, and I'm fucked over with this stupid ass condition. How do you think that feels? Yeah, maybe I'm a bit of an attention whore about it, but I don't care, it's a bullshit condition that they should have come up with a fix for already
I don't doubt that it's annoying to have, but there's so many people out there who downplay actual disabilities that impact their ability to work, drive a car, live independently, but so many of the color blind people I've known pretty much takes every opportunity to bring up the unbearable torture that is their life being unable to discern between red and brown.
Concerning sc2 I don't see a reason why they cant let you override player colors and have the color of the player also be the color of things like their nuke dots.
To me color blindness is the equivalent of a food allergy. Really sucks for you, but I think it's an abuse of the term disability unless you have some form that makes it impossible for you to see anything unless there's glaring contrast, like all you see is silhouettes or something.
I definitely try to be respectful of it and I don't want to appear like I'm going on a crusade against color blind people, but a lot of them that I've known act like big babies over it
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evan, you're right you didnt convince me. but you succesfully made me change my post. i left this debate.
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floor exercise - I do not feel like you are trying to be respectful at all. You basically called me and every CB person here "whiny". If your comments are directed to other CB people you know who are not in this thread, then why come into a thread and post comments that you know will get a negative response, especially if we have come up with a solution you agree with? Without the change it would be hard to play SC2 competitively. Wouldn't you whine too if a small change would allow you to play your favorite game competitively? If you have been following this thread, I specifically asked the colorblind to speak up. So if anyone is responsible for making people act like "cry babies" or "attention whores" then it is me. If you have not been following the thread, then that is understandable too, 7 pages is a lot to read through.
Also I do not feel like I am being whiny. There are a lot of things I want to complain about in SC2, but I specifically chose this topic because it is an easy fix that will not change the gameplay for anyone else. As I have said before, I take BW seriously on iccup and I hope to be able to do the same in SC2. However I will not be able to if I cannot prevent the nuke. Think of this thread as more of a "Hey guys I wanted to get a head count on how many CB people there are in here so I can tell if it is even an issue worth bringing up" and less of a "I want attention" thread".
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Why is me stating that I don't think color blindness can be classified as a disability guaranteed to provoke negative responses? Aren't you assuming there are no rational level headed color blind people when you make a claim like that? I said I support your mission to get SC2 changed. I never said it was whiney with regards to SC2.
I thought my comments were topical and actually pretty constructive since this is essentially a thread about color blind people trying to provoke change in a games design, isn't other peoples perception of your how you treat your condition an important thing to be made aware of if you want people to be sympathetic to your issue? sorry if I offended you
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On March 21 2009 18:45 teapot wrote:
Perhaps you should lobby Blizzard to have a separate server/ladder for disableds.
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You do know that one of the best War3 Undeads right now is a disabled kid with a condition that probably will kill him in the next 5 to 10 years right?
There's an option to change colors for units in game and on the mini-map in War3 (designed specifically for the color-blind), why not extend it to SC2 and nukes?
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I don't think it's a bad idea to be able to arbitrarily change the colors. Extend it so you can change the colors for everything to anything you want, and completely color blind players can play with little to no disadvantage. We are already able to change colors of units in SC1, on the screen and on the minimap, and it doesn't seem to change the gameplay at all.
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On March 23 2009 02:03 floor exercise wrote:
Why is me stating that I don't think color blindness can be classified as a disability guaranteed to provoke negative responses?
You misunderstand him. You calling all color blind people whiny babies/attention whores is guaranteed to provoke negative responses.
I don't see how you could miss that connection.
That's like going onto a pregnant women's forum and making a post like "LOL PREGGOS ARE FAT
FATFATFAT"
etc. you're just being trollbait
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There is also the idea that you could change the color palette for your video card so that it substitutes some mix of green and blue for any values of red... I wonder if that could work out.
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On March 23 2009 01:04 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 00:16 -orb- wrote:On March 22 2009 22:25 floor exercise wrote:
while I think the majority of colorblind people are attention whores about it I don't see a reason not to include a way of changing the colors of certain things Yeah you try it and see how you like it, see if you start whining about it. I'm a damned animator... my passion is art, and I'm fucked over with this stupid ass condition. How do you think that feels? Yeah, maybe I'm a bit of an attention whore about it, but I don't care, it's a bullshit condition that they should have come up with a fix for already I don't doubt that it's annoying to have, but there's so many people out there who downplay actual disabilities that impact their ability to work, drive a car, live independently, but so many of the color blind people I've known pretty much takes every opportunity to bring up the unbearable torture that is their life being unable to discern between red and brown. Concerning sc2 I don't see a reason why they cant let you override player colors and have the color of the player also be the color of things like their nuke dots. To me color blindness is the equivalent of a food allergy. Really sucks for you, but I think it's an abuse of the term disability unless you have some form that makes it impossible for you to see anything unless there's glaring contrast, like all you see is silhouettes or something. I definitely try to be respectful of it and I don't want to appear like I'm going on a crusade against color blind people, but a lot of them that I've known act like big babies over it
I would say that a lot of people you know are colour blind without you knowing, the thing is that there aren't that many situations where notice if someone is colour blind or not.
As such the people you know which are colour blind are obviously attention whores about it, anyway this is also the reason most who are not colour blind are not aware that as many as 10% of males have the disability. And yes it is a disability since there are things you can't do when you are colour blind even if it is a really minor one, kinda like people who need glasses.
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On March 23 2009 02:03 floor exercise wrote:
Why is me stating that I don't think color blindness can be classified as a disability guaranteed to provoke negative responses? Aren't you assuming there are no rational level headed color blind people when you make a claim like that? I said I support your mission to get SC2 changed. I never said it was whiney with regards to SC2.
I thought my comments were topical and actually pretty constructive since this is essentially a thread about color blind people trying to provoke change in a games design, isn't other peoples perception of your how you treat your condition an important thing to be made aware of if you want people to be sympathetic to your issue? sorry if I offended you
Thank you for the apology. I just hope you understand what made me upset was not that you said color blindness should not be classified as a disability. It was the fact that you basically walked into a thread and said "you people are whining and shouldn't be because you do not have a real disabled". Your comments were topical, and the your claim that color blindness should not be classified as a disability is fairly constructive, but you have to see that you did not stop there. You continued over the span of one post that we are just complaining. Also how am I assuming there are no rational level headed color blind people? Are you just trying to be cute with technicalities? Can you not see why your comments would upset me and other color blind people? You're trying to say what we have is not a disability and on top of that: color blind people whine too much. That is just OFFENSIVE. Even though I would agree with you that it is not a major disability how do you expect me to not give you a negative response?
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wtf did this thread change or something?
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On March 23 2009 09:30 CharlieMurphy wrote:
wtf did this thread change or something?
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No people are still posting like retards on every page .... 7 so far ...
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I think it's a very valid point no matter how bogus it sounds to other people. That blows for real and it seems like a very valid point. I read the first page of retarded shit and knew I missed the quoting boat so I skipped to the last.
One point you dont want to make the nuke worthless by making it obvious for all to see but alienating a certain type of player (even if they are in a minority) isn't what the game industry has shifted too. Toggleable colour dot isn't a bad idea but I'm sure there are a bunch of people who would say its excessive regardless.
Ninja was a famous oldschooler who was colour blind. Smuft flipped on him at a WCG for playing with the fog of war off on his minimap saying it was a glitch. lOOL.
On March 22 2009 15:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 04:50 JeeJee wrote:On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You're a small minority  Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too. are you dumbyou're dumb there's more colorblind people than there are mac users yeah, let's not make a mac version of the game Theres hundreds of millions of people who can't afford a computer to run the game and others who can't even afford the game. Based on your logic they should gut the graphics so these unfortunate people can have a good sc2 expierence. Doesn't work that way. But that being said there's no negative side for them making it colorblind accessable unlike the example I gave. And the example you gave... If they can make it more accessable for color blind people great. I have no problem with it. But that doesnt mean I'm dumb for saying he's a small minority. He is.
You're dumb for writing "Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too" you fucking retard. They have trouble seeing their hands. Your post made as much sense as saying "Italian's eat pizza and fish have trouble breathing air"
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We agree blizzard should add an option so the player see the units and nuke dot of the color they want(betwen the colors in game and problem solve)
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I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap.
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No worries, they changed the "dot" to be way bigger and added some lines around it so it's easier to spot.
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On March 23 2009 18:11 nttea wrote:
I am a stupid player, so i have trouble with figuring out what units to make, it would be nice if blizzard could make so that units are built for me. It would help people with my kind of handicap.
Go play World in Conflict, in that game you never control more than 15 units and theres no economy, if you lose some units you get some a few secs later no trouble.
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I can see red perfectly, yet I never find the godamn dot in time, so u cool
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nttea - Nobody is asking Blizzard to change the gameplay to cater to the handicapped. It is a change that is strictly aesthetic and does not affect how the game is played for you nor does it give the color blind an advantage. What you are suggesting, although sarcastically, would be a change to the gameplay.
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